Super Smash Bros. Mafia! GAME OVER!!

[Fate]

Fate (6): Fate, Nachomamma8, Kirbyoshi, Chronopie, gandalf5166, SGRaaize

This is the cut-off for an all town wagon on me. (Not sure about gandalf actually).

Any further votes won't net as much town credit.

Voiced opposition has been categorized into:
Logical:
SGR (at first)

Illogical:
AGM-Nonexistant scum meta of me?
MPR-Knows I am powerful as town and good with reads but calls it "a bad idea" without reasoning?

Those placed under illogical are automatically granted a FoS.

[Fate]

If it isn't obvious already, this townvote mechanic has me really interested. Its like reverse wagon analysis.

Just like scum are more likely to push a lynch wagon then town, TOWN are more likely to push a town wagon than scum. Hence we can actually scumhunt by townwagoning.

^This becoming apparent is why I've made a cut-off limit for the town reads gained by pushing my townvote wagon though.

[SocioPath]

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH.
That's why I won't town vote for fate.

We need for town votes for VEZOKENER.

I assume this is the VEZO and not the KENER.
Still liking them for scum.
But that can be saved for later.

Town Vote: FATE

As this is a good place for a good aimed shot.
And also, if FATE-scum...wouldn't it be better to make that mistake early rather than later?

Town votes on scum are better sooner than later.
Should be common sense.
Not that FATE is scum, but him sticking to the end game I cannot see.


In other news, SSK is giving me terrible vibes.
His pseudo-scum hunting is almost as painful to watch as faked PRs.
And the silly way he is picking apart sentences pointlessly has no basis in reality.

Vote: SSK

[SGRaaize]

Not necessarily
A Scum might see it as you do and quickly town vote you
Not only has he trust points, he also wins if you end up killing someone that isn't from the Mafia

[manho]

back from V/LA

Town Vote: Fate

i'll bet a lynch vote on fate killing scum tonight.

will think about the lynch vote tomorrow.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Oh wow Kirbyoshi has EIGHT votes?

Look, that slip that wasn't pointed is BS. He clearly meant that no one has dropped any SCUMtells yet, even though he had a slight town read of Frayed.

That's not why we think he's scummy.

@Frayed: I can't answer for the other half of the hydra but I think that he would do it as both town and scum so it find it to be somewhat of a null-tell.

@manho: Why are you so sure of Fate's abilities?

[MehPlusRawr]

MPR-Knows I am powerful as town and good with reads

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, lynch vote: diddin

Pikachu, mind explaining why you find Kirby scummy? Because the only cases that I've seen on him have been horrible and reaching beyond any sense of the word (SSK, diddin).

[manho]

[Friend]

@manho: Why are you so sure of Fate's abilities?

have you been with Fate in a mafia game?

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

@Nacho: Haven't I been over this already? Look at our 175 and some of the subsequent posts.

I find some of the other cases presented to be a stretch too but I think ours is solid.

Seems odd that you find some Kirbyoshi cases horrible and reaching but you posted this gem of a case on SSK:

third party or a mafiaite

You put third party before mafiaite? Which means... you're looking for third party before you're looking for mafia? Which means you're scum.

quicklynch please

VOTE TO LYNCH: MAFIASSK

@manho: No, I (Friend) haven't.

[Nachomamma8]

Pikachu, that was a sarcastic case to point out just how MUCH SSK was reaching at that point. The other cases on Kirby certainly didn't seem sarcastic to me.

And sorry for missing your case. I guess all the bad ones blotted it out... Also, are you really comfortable sitting on that wagon, considering the company you have surrounding you?

[Switz]

The more I read, the less I'm liking diddin. Trying to push the whole "town vote for yourself" idea is bad enough, but then he comes up with this:

I found a direct contradiction in kirby's words somewhere.

He posts this:

Un-Town Vote diddin, Town Vote: frayed

This is a serious vote. Early town read on frayed.

Then his next post he says there haven't been any tells yet:

I don't think there have been any tells of consequence, if any at all. Looks like people are just feeling each other out, throwing votes around, seeing what sticks.

What reasoning on the MPR wagon? There is none, and I'd even be willing to bet there's overeager scum on it. It would take some wagon analyzing (which I'll probably end up doing) to figure out who's most likely to be scum out of the MPR wagoners, but it looks like there's one on there.

How can he have a townread on frayed and say there haven't been any tells yet? Direct contradictions are scummy. VOTE: Kirbyoshi

Which is just silly because, as SGR said, it's not a contradiction.

Pair that with a lot of FoSes and HoSes without a vote and my eyebrows are raised.

Unvote, Vote: diddin

And I'm willing to toss the Smash Ball to Fate, I suppose.

Town Vote: Fate

[Furry]

Just like scum are more likely to push a lynch wagon then town, TOWN are more likely to push a town wagon than scum. Hence we can actually scumhunt by townwagoning.

^This becoming apparent is why I've made a cut-off limit for the town reads gained by pushing my townvote wagon though.

Actually, this is incorrect by what I am thinking. Scum would prefer that they have the vig kill, but there are two auxillary goals which are either 1) putting it in the hands of someone who will not vig them, or 2) putting it in the hands of someone who they do not want to NK. I fully expect scum to be willing to town-wagon if they think it is in the hands of someone with a few more high picks then themselves.

Also I disagree with your wagon being made of town. I actually dislike most of the people on your wagon (nacho, kirby, gandalf and chrono are all more scum then town).

[SGRaaize]

Glad to be the only guy you consider town, derp
Although I wonder why you think Gandalf and Nacho are scum, as well as Chronopie, that lynch vote against Fate was RVS, you are aware of that, right?
The only thing Kirby has said that was scummy was slightly supporting Diddin, so I dunno why you are on a wagon against him too

[SGRaaize]

Oh, and I guess Gandalf went into the Seth bandawagon, but come on

[MehPlusRawr]

Guys, we should use the smash ball like an extra lynch- before we lynch someone, come to a consensus about who to vig. If the recipient of the smash ball doesn't vig that person, we'll lynch them the next day. So, we basically get two lynches. Does everyone agree?

[Furry]

Guys, we should use the smash ball like an extra lynch- before we lynch someone, come to a consensus about who to vig. If the recipient of the smash ball doesn't vig that person, we'll lynch them the next day. So, we basically get two lynches. Does everyone agree?

Unlynch Vote
Lynch Vote MPR

I disagree.

[diddin]

The more I read, the less I'm liking diddin. Trying to push the whole "town vote for yourself" idea is bad enough, but then he comes up with this:

I found a direct contradiction in kirby's words somewhere.

He posts this:

Un-Town Vote diddin, Town Vote: frayed

This is a serious vote. Early town read on frayed.

Then his next post he says there haven't been any tells yet:

I don't think there have been any tells of consequence, if any at all. Looks like people are just feeling each other out, throwing votes around, seeing what sticks.

What reasoning on the MPR wagon? There is none, and I'd even be willing to bet there's overeager scum on it. It would take some wagon analyzing (which I'll probably end up doing) to figure out who's most likely to be scum out of the MPR wagoners, but it looks like there's one on there.

How can he have a townread on frayed and say there haven't been any tells yet? Direct contradictions are scummy. VOTE: Kirbyoshi

Which is just silly because, as SGR said, it's not a contradiction.

Pair that with a lot of FoSes and HoSes without a vote and my eyebrows are raised.

Unvote, Vote: diddin

And I'm willing to toss the Smash Ball to Fate, I suppose.

Town Vote: Fate

Please explain where I threw around a lot of FoSes and HoSes without a vote. And I don't plan on self-townvoting forever, I'm just doing it until I find someone I believe is suitable for the Smash Ball.

[SGRaaize]

Diddin, even if you find someone who is suitable, you can only give him the smash ball for one day.

[SGRaaize]

Guys, we should use the smash ball like an extra lynch- before we lynch someone, come to a consensus about who to vig. If the recipient of the smash ball doesn't vig that person, we'll lynch them the next day. So, we basically get two lynches. Does everyone agree?

So, we like, make a second vote lynch?
A good idea, but it won't work, for various reasons

[Switz]

@diddin:

I meant the vast number of people who are FoSing and HoSing you without committing to a vote. And if you're not planning to selfvote forever there's no point in doing it now.

[diddin]

I self-townvoted as a gambit to end RVS early and generate discussion.

It's not harming anybody now and I'm too lazy to un-townvote so I'll keep it where it is.

I reread the Kirby thing again, and I see the mistake I made. When looking at it in an ISO it looks a lot scummier than when you look at it in the context of other people's posts. However, I still like Pikahydra's case on kirby so I'm keeping my vote for now.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Pikachu, that was a sarcastic case to point out just how MUCH SSK was reaching at that point. The other cases on Kirby certainly didn't seem sarcastic to me.

Okay, I see.

And sorry for missing your case. I guess all the bad ones blotted it out... Also, are you really comfortable sitting on that wagon, considering the company you have surrounding you?

Yeah, I feel alright about it. I think he's scum. Although diddin is slowly getting more scummy.

[PaltryExcuse]

Hello peoples.

So firstly, a bit of theory:
Why aren't we using the smashball as a pseudo double lynch instead of putting all of our trust in one member who we all THINK is town? AKA, We have a lynch, and then we have a 'night lynch'. Two town lynches for the price of voting. It changes whom we give the smashball to a 1-shot protection.

Under that thinking, my first vote for lynchering is Switz. diddin's Kirbyoshi contradiction is false. However, the mistake is easily made IMO. Secondly, what scares me more is this line when voting diddin:

Pair that with a lot of FoSes and HoSes without a vote and my eyebrows are raised.

Why mention that others have FOS'd and HOS'd diddin? Why does that sway you to vote someone? This is ucky x11.

The second person I'd like to see dead at this time is manho. In all seriousness, returning to a game 5 pages of information and not saying anything negative about anyone looks like someone who's trying to just blend in with everything else. The town vote for Fate was just another way of ruffling no feathers.

[PaltryExcuse]

EBWOP:

Lynch Vote: Switz