tanstalas wrote:@ Mod - Can you clarify the rule about the smash ball, can it in ANY way be manipulated by anyone else in the game that is NOT the person who has the power of it?
Hmm...this makes it sound like town CAN guide the shot. That basically gives us two lynches per day, though, which seems a bit ridiculous...the mod wrote:It cannot be manipulated in any shape or form that isn't the person with the Smash Ball. It goes through litterally everything.
HERP DERP, THAT'S RIGHT. Tt reads way more scumslip than noob, at least to me.SGR wrote:you're giving him a FoS because he said he was kinda newbie in response to not knowing that the Bus Driver is a random role?
Derp
Pikachu wrote: Also the fact that nacho says he is town just makes me think he is scum more, because with the exception of him trying REALLY HARD to get me to give Fate that town vote his posts are unsettling.
@bolded - Or we could be giving the mafia an extra kill per day as well, sorry to be the debbie downer here, but are you 100% sure that the person everyday who gets the smash ball is pro-town? Also by using the smash ball we have a greater chancer in the EARLY game to accidently take out a fellow townie as there (probably - unless we have a bastard modPikachu wrote:[AGM]
the mod wrote:It cannot be manipulated in any shape or form that isn't the person with the Smash Ball. It goes through litterally everything.Hmm...this makes it sound like town CAN guide the shot. That basically gives us two lynches per day, though, which seems a bit ridiculous...
Whatever. Even if this is true, I think FOR THE EARLY GAME we should just let the person shoot whomever they want. This way, scum and dumbtown can't interfere with the shot. We can play around with consensus shooting later when things become more tight.
HERP DERP, THAT'S RIGHT. Tt reads way more scumslip than noob, at least to me.SGR wrote:you're giving him a FoS because he said he was kinda newbie in response to not knowing that the Bus Driver is a random role?
Derp
Also the fact that nacho says he is town just makes me think he is scum more, because with the exception of him trying REALLY HARD to get me to give Fate that town vote his posts are unsettling.
ALSO SETH STOP SELF-VOTING. YOU AREN'T COOL. Change that vote to some scum. Unless you are scum, in which case go ahead and leave it there. Or unless it's a mod error, in which case mod fix pl0x.
) are a lot more townies than mafia. 
They also get to vote who to lynch as well...Pikachu wrote:[AGM]
@tanstalas - NOOOO because there are SCUM in the game and they GET TO VOTE TOO. And they will NOT VOTE TO KILL SCUM. Also, there are probably lots of dumb townies who can mess up the vote as well. Whereas if we just give it to someone who is probtown and good at shooting gunz (which they better be 'cause we VOTED FOR THEM as obvtown, remember) then they can shoot scum without scum messing them up.
ALSO THE ABOVE POST WAS [AGM] TOO, SUCK IT NACHO.
That makes sense actually. Diddin is wrong though, because to succeed in this game there has to be some risk as well as a level of trust in other people.SGRaaize wrote:The difference is that he said everyone should do it themselvesKocc42 wrote:I'm not seeing how diddin's selftownvoting was any different from what Fate is doing.
Meaning, everyone should self-vote
Meaning, everyone should give the edge to the scum
Basically.Kocc42 wrote:@Furry: Is the MPR's strategy with the smashballs the same one as tastalas's?
Furry wrote:You just hold people responsable for their kill and we will be fine.
A HIDER NEEDS TO ALWAYS TARGET SB HOLDER. It makes them a weak cop varient. As long as they live, SB holder is town. If a hider dies, it confirms the SB holder as scum for an easy next day lynch, as well as confirms all previous SB holders as town.
I just feel uncomfortable, as we will only ever get it once in the game (if at all) if I am reading the rules right. OK, you trust fate, what about day 2, 3, 4, , ect? I am still a little unsure of a MPR lynch at the moment. I am not saying that he is town, I just haven't seen enough yet to say that he is scum.Furry wrote:Also MPR still needs lynching.
So far he has voted two people for wagoning him for no reason (not a bad thing, kids these days think it is for some reason) and suggested possibly the worst SB strategy out there. Link this is irrelevent to this case, only important for fate being town. I am sad no one has figured it out yet as to why it makes fate town.
untown vote
townvote fate
This needs doing. Fate now appears insane, but able to kill idiot scum easily enough.
WIFOM, but I was planning on outing it eventually, yes.Kocc42 wrote:@Diddin: I had to read through a lot of pages and reading quickly, I didn't see what was different between the 2 plays, after it was explained however I understood. Fate has a high expectation to meet and asked for the immunity and kill. You proposed a pointless strategy of everyone only self voting and now you claim it was just to make things take a serious turn. But if you hadn't been called out for it would you have continued, under the guise that you're just a cautious townie?
Kills just need to make sense. There are distinct things that cross the line, like killing someone who only you think is scum, or for some other reason that makes it a bad vig kill. The problem with voting on it is twofold, first scum will be manipulating the vote the best they can, second a new problem; flips change things. If the lynch is town or scum, I am sure that you will change some opinion of a few players.tanstalas wrote:How do you hold them responsible? Ask them why they killed X person? And they can make up something, or say oops.. If you don't want to go with a majority vote, can we at least have the person advise who they are targeting before lynch vote is finished? That way it might give someone a chance to bring up something to the holder that they may have overlooked/maybe get a roleclaim from the targeted person?
If we have one it is a semi-game breaking play, so I am putting it out there incase we do.You are assuming we have one.
That’s kinda what I meant. No harm or offense meant, just that you don’t just say “his case has merit” without giving a reason. Still waiting to hear it, btw.SSK wrote:Then why did you capitalize a word when it was not necessary? It can be seen as if you put an exclamation mark right after the word.
To…Lynch Vote or Town Vote? And for whom? I voted both in my first post, I believe. If not, it was very close.Pikachu wrote:Kirby, why did it take further prodding to get you to vote?
Meh, agreeing to disagree. Imo, the fun is in making up some weird reason for voting for someone and then watching their reaction to the vote.SGR wrote:There are NO RVS REASONS, that's the point, its random, that's the fun
This.Fate wrote: WE'RE NOT LYNCHING KIRBY TODAY.
LESS KIRBY VOTES
MORE FATE TOWNVOTES.
Erm, Fate is town. Give me one piece of evidence to the contrary.MPR wrote: Why are you guys voting Fate for town? That's a bad idea. Not that I necessarily should be, but someone else would be a good idea.
Interesting observation. I’ll have to mull it over, but at this point I see nothing wrong with it.Socio wrote: Town votes on scum are better sooner than later.
This. Can’t defend if I don’t know why.Nacho wrote: Pikachu, mind explaining why you find Kirby scummy?
No. Unlike Furry, I don’t think it’s enough to vote you for, but I still think it’s a bad idea.MPR wrote: Guys, we should use the smash ball like an extra lynch- before we lynch someone, come to a consensus about who to vig. If the recipient of the smash ball doesn't vig that person, we'll lynch them the next day. So, we basically get two lynches. Does everyone agree?
This. Also when more people period clear out, that’ll make it easier to keep track of secondary votes.Nacho wrote: And I disagree with having a town directed vig kill. If we trust someone enough for them to be voted town by the majority of the players in the game, then I think we should trust them with the vig kill, as far as early game goes. I think that would be a plan to implement D5, when all the obvtown people begin to clear out/lose the ability to have smash balls.
I have NEVER seen a driver in a forum game. Only place I’ve seen drivers is on EpicMafia. How come you presume to know so much about the setup?tans wrote: Bus driver
You’re reading too much into his post. That’s the same kind of VI-ness as SSK’s, but not as severe.tans wrote: Probably the fact you said "the town" rather than "otherwise we would have double lynches" - I'm probably reading too much into your post, or it was a slip.
Soooooo…why do you think Nacho is scum?Pika wrote: Nacho, who loves one liners and not explaining himself and a dude I think is scum.
But he wasn’t going to get lynched; at least it didn’t seem so. Who would make a gambit like that as scum on D1 when he could do it later on, when he probably would need it more, and there would be less people to fool? I don’t see scum making that sort of gambit.Pika wrote: -Possible scum play is, get the shot by being loud and self-declaring yourself as town, then not shoot scum, people hate you but who cares you stole the shot from town and were probably going to get lynched anyway so oh well.
I see how stupid it is. He suggested it, whereas you seem like you’re counting on it. Not necessarily hoping or dreading, just…assuming. Furry merely pointed out the possibility of there being town roles with that same ability, or scum roles with similar abilities. You seem to be working with the knowledge that there is a Driver, whereas Furry seems to be coming from a standpoint of not knowing the setup at all. That’s why your statement is scummier than his.tans wrote: I never even knew of a role called a "redirector" before you mentioned it Furry, so I guess by your logic - if there turns out to be a redirector and he is mafia then that must mean you are scum? See how stupid that logic is?
This is a straw man: you are attacking Furry, Z-sur, etc., not their argument. Once you legitimately show why their argument is false, you may insult their intelligence (lol j/k).tans wrote: Note to all - don't mention what roles mafia may have, because if you do, and it turns out there is one then Furry, Zaziesurio and others with that mentality will probably BW you
I just wanted to point out that when this is said aloud it is incredibly lulzy.Pika wrote: I think the way diddin did it
We’ll find someone else to trust. Seems like it would be easy enough.tans wrote: OK, you trust fate, what about day 2, 3, 4, , ect?
Sorry, Furry is still operating from the assumption that he knows nothing about the setup. The phrase “and it will confirm every previous smash ball holder as town” means that until we find out there is a hider (i.e., when he/she dies), smash ball holders are not confirmed town.tans wrote: You are assuming we have one.
