Mini 1012: Mafia In Soraville (Game Over!)

[TheLonging]

No thanks, I prefer to stick to the person who might likely be the roleblocker, I'll hammer DH if he gets to L-1 though

[Haschel Cedricson]

No thanks, I prefer to stick to the person who might likely be the roleblocker, I'll hammer DH if he gets to L-1 though

Why do you keep mentioning a roleblocker? Nobody has mentioned such a possibility except for you, and you're treating it as though it were a foregone conclusion.

[DemonHybrid]

DH/Pie/Haschel

I win?

Uh.


DH, that reminds me. Epic Question Dodge can also fall under this category, because you're attacking Jack for his posting habits, fact or not, and using them to seemingly discredit his vote.

Rephrase it to "You are ignoring my questions."

Now, does that explicitly state that I think he's scummy because of it? Maybe he made a mistake? Overlooked it?

Yeah, it could mean a lot of things. I said that to remind him that he skipped over my questions. I restated them later on after I got back from work. It was not an attack because it doesn't have the suspicion backing it.

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP: Basically, it's me asking for him to clarify himself. I bet your tune would be different if I was like "I'm extremely sorry, but I believe that you have overlooked my question. I believe that you are innocent, but would you mind responding to my inquiries for my own curiosity?"

[TheLonging]

if there's not a scum roleblocker in this game I will be the happiest person alive because that helps me

[Haschel Cedricson]

if there's not a scum roleblocker in this game I will be the happiest person alive because that helps me

It helps all of us.

[TheLonging]

I'm a tracker though so yeah (or at least I claim to be)

[Jack]

Does anyone know what the **** is a "traitor"?

....

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Traitor

Vote: Jack

This is the post of someone who doesn't know how he would react as townie.

Let's say that you fall into the latter category. You recognize that Jack is looking for reactions. Don't you want to see what these reactions are going to be? If people are asking what's going on, I don't see why you would want to reveal that you know something is up. That's why I don't like r2r's post:

I'm not going to bother voting Jack. That's just TOO obvious. Plus, I highly doubt that his role PM didn't explain his role.
EBWOP: Jack has 3849 total posts

Really? Jack's being too obvious? Well, if other people hadn't noticed, they sure will now, now that you've told them things are more than they seem! Now we don't get to see the reactions of the people who hadn't posted between Jack and r2r.

Also, scum's first instinct if they see someone who might be a traitor is not to vote for them.

@HC: yes, I think it's that obvious. For an experienced player to post something like that is very obvious. I don't think that anyone would actually believe that he was a traitor even if I hadn't posted that.

Well, we'll never know, will we, Mr. Whistleblower?

And these are the posts of someone in fake townie mode...forgetting that he'd already "revealed that he knew something was up".

THAT'S RIGHT, I'M JUST NOW COMMENTING ON THE PAGE 2 RVS-KILLER STUFF

if there's not a scum roleblocker in this game I will be the happiest person alive because that helps me

It helps all of us.

CAUSE YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE TOWN TOO, RIGHT HASCHEL?

[ortiz1193]

It's probably best for us to assume there's a roleblocker. TL what's making you think Pie is the blocker? Did you pick your scumteam and then choose which one is most likely the roleblocker? Or did he roleblocker tell somewhere that you just aren't sharing with us?

[TheLonging]

I chose a scumteam and picked most likely

[InflatablePie]

I bet your tune would be different if I was like "I'm extremely sorry, but I believe that you have overlooked my question. I believe that you are innocent, but would you mind responding to my inquiries for my own curiosity?"

TBH, most likely, had you phrased it differently I would not have brought it up. But Mafia is mostly about what people say and how they say it. The way you worded it came off as more of an attack. I don't care how you "meant to say [this]" or whatever; it doesn't really change anything at this point.

[DemonHybrid]

I bet your tune would be different if I was like "I'm extremely sorry, but I believe that you have overlooked my question. I believe that you are innocent, but would you mind responding to my inquiries for my own curiosity?"

TBH, most likely, had you phrased it differently I would not have brought it up. But Mafia is mostly about what people say and how they say it. The way you worded it came off as more of an attack. I don't care how you "meant to say [this]" or whatever; it doesn't really change anything at this point.

If you know that it's just the way I worded it and not changed the underlying message, why would you comment on it in an attempt to debunk my argument?

[InflatablePie]

Because when you say something that I find scummy due to phrasing, but then say "NO WAIT I MEANT TO SAY IT LIKE THIS" it definitely doesn't help my view of you.

[InflatablePie]

Twomz, Kov and TL need to place votes on one of the top 3 sometime in the near future. Deadline is in what, two days? We need to come to a decision and no one seems to be budging.

I could be convinced to join the Twomz wagon if a DH lynch becomes out-of-the-question, but I'd really rather lynch DH today.

[TheLonging]

Unless I am given a DH hammer, I will not move this vote

[ortiz1193]

From the looks of it, it'll end up being majority at deadline. No one will budge. Twomz, kov, and TL are just hurting the town by not changing their vote.

[ready2rock]

Just so you know TL, it you change your vote to DH and no one else changes their vote, DH will be lynched at deadline.

[TheLonging]

OK, how's this.
3 of you vote for DH. I hammer. End of day. mmkay? Until then I'm sticking by my vote I am sure is right

[ready2rock]

@Kov, Twornz: If a Jack lynch won't happen today, who else are you suspicious of?

[Jack]

OK, how's this.
3 of you vote for DH. I hammer. End of day. mmkay? Until then I'm sticking by my vote I am sure is right

But if you can hammer him with a vote near deadline, you will?

[TheLonging]

Does that mean if I vote him tomorrow? At absolute worse, I guess. Both scum anyways, but I don't think DH could be a roleblocker

[ready2rock]

According to the clock on my computer, the deadline is exactly 53 hours from now.

[Twomz]

@Kov, Twornz: If a Jack lynch won't happen today, who else are you suspicious of?

I'll look over the top lynch candidates when I get more continuous time to play. I'm still upset at the lack of Jackwagon.

[Jack]

I'm still upset at the lack of Jackwagon.

Why? I mean, seriously. I know I mislynched you last game, but other than that my suspicions were pretty spot on. I think we argued about my playstyle there too:

Vote Hopping is pro town

Why? Because you say it is? Or did I miss some memo when I was gone that switched up scumtells?

and lot's of talk about gut and giving reasons, so none of this should be new to you.

You realized I've way outposted you this game?

I'd call your laziness here scummy but you did the same thing to UK last game (sticking with your opening vote for crappy reasons) and you were both town.

[Fugitive]

*Fugitive

yawns