Open 233: Ninja Mafia Boogaloo - Over!

[Papa Zito]

The angle of the setting sun is just right. Sunlight streams through the focusing lenses created by the glass, reflected off the mirror-like bits salvaged from the wing, and then down onto a large piece of black metal twisted into a bowl shape. The black metal heats quickly, steaming the cold water around it. A makeshift lattice of metal strips later, and...

Floating BBQ on the Pacific. Aww yeah. Now if only there was something to actually grill on it. Hmm.

Oh wait.

Eighth Votecount of Day 1

1. Col.Cathart (0):
2. KageLord (0):
3. Chronopie (1): curiouskarmadog
4. ConfidAnon (5): AGar, PaltryExcuse, silverbullet999, Zajnet, Enigma
5. Gammagooey (0):
6. AGar (0):
7. Zajnet (5): smashbro_of_the_SSS, ConfidAnon, StrangerCoug, KageLord, Sotty7
8. Zorblag (0):
9. tumescence (2): Zorblag, Beefster
10. Enigma (4): Gammagooey, Col.Cathart, Shattered Viewpoint, Chronopie
11. StrangerCoug (0):
12. smashbro_of_the_SSS (0):
13. Beefster (0):
14. Shattered Viewpoint (0):
15. Sotty7 (0):
16. PaltryExcuse (0):
17. curiouskarmadog (0):
18. silverbullet999 (0):

Players not voting: tumescence

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.
The current wagon leaders are

ConfidAnon

and

Zajnet

at L-5.
Deadline: August 4th @ 11:59PM CST

[tumescence]

I'm asking PapaZito to get replaced, if possible. I feel like I'm not doing the game justice. Believe it or not, I am town, and my lack of activity is hurting our chances. I'm just finding it difficult to analyze so much content.

Good luck with the rest of the game!

[Gammagooey]

>:(.

If you make me choose between Confid and Zaj I'm goin Confid right now, Zaj's early wagon posts look less likely to be scum-motivated than Confid's. (Confid's iso 2+3 vs Zaj's 0+4)

[KageLord]

Yeah, I think now might be the time for everyone not on Confid or Zaj to pick one of them. Or, if you really don't want to, then I think the next best thing would be for the people on Enigma to present something new or the strongest points in their case. Clearly the tumescence and Chronopie "wagons" aren't going anywhere.

[Zorblag]

So at this point it looks like tumescence would still be a fine lynch so far as I'm concerned but given that apparently we'll be dealing with a replacement and there's no real drive for it I'll let it go for now. I'm going to expect content from that spot tomorrow.

I disagree with a lot of what Enigma is saying in terms of what he thinks is a case on me and the general theory idea but I'd also guess that he's more likely town than scum at this point. He both seems sincere and probably wouldn't bother making that particular move against me were he scum as I think that there should be paths of less resistance (and clearly he is sophisticated enough to recognize that as a decent choice for scum) that I'd expect him to be more likely to take.

Sotty7 is right when she says that Shattered Viewpoint has been much more in the background since the pressure came off. I don't care too much for that.

Between ConfidAnon and Zajnet I tend to find Zajnet scummier. Overall it feels like ConfidAnon has been more involved in what's happening the game and though he is agreeing with others a fair amount he's also asking questions (like what sets me apart from others) that I think town should be a bit more likely to ask than scum. Zajnet's distinction between his early vote and Shattered Viewpoint's unvote still feels artificial to me (obviously joking isn't a great reason to do something and I don't feel that Shattered Viewpoint having something else in mind was scummy.) I also don't really agree with his characterization of what I've had to say or that he's been trying to go with Enigma's posts on me but not take a stance on his own (he's got me at not scummy but not pro-town whereas Enigma clearly thinks I'm scummy) which feels like he's testing the waters to see if he can get a push going for me.

@silverbullet999, I put you on my no trouble with lynching list because your posts seem to be almost entirely unimportant, theory talk or reactions to being accused of things. I don't see you looking at that much that's happening in the game other than when people talk about you. Scum are more likely to do that than town and I don't feel as though you've been doing anything that helpful to offset it.

@Sotty7, the answer to why I included silverbullet999 on my list is largely above; I'd put his contributions towards scum hunting at about the same level as the others despite the fact that he's posted more. Beyond that, of those I've not talked about so far or not on my earlier list Col.Cathart is at the top of my list of scummy, more active players. I don't like his interactions with the Shattered Viewpoint wagon or Beefster in the early game and I'm having trouble seeing how he'd be helping the town with them. I don't mind the move to Enigma when he made it but it was a pretty easy one to make.

@Beefster, just so that it's clear (though it should have been by now) I put my rules of thumb for the newbie game setup in this game at the start because I think that everything that they say applies here. Hopefully everyone will follow them.

@Enigma, you seem to be going out of your way to excuse lack of content on the parts of players based on your reaction to me. Players might be busy and not show up at all for a stretch (I was busy during the past 4 days or so for example) but saying that you'll post content and then not doing it is active lurking and a scummy action. I'm also not willing to accept laziness as an excuse for not posting. If people are going to sign up to play these games then they should play them to win. As town getting people to give input and providing it yourself is important. If scum are given the chance to avoid doing that then they've got every reason to take it; town don't.

I'm certainly not saying that all lurkers will flip scum or that someone who's active has to be town though you're apparently inclined to misrepresent my posts that way. On the other hand, not only do I feel that we're more likely to find scum among lurkers than active players, eliminating non-participants earlier rather than later means that we're less likely to be hurt by them being hard to read and not contributing when we need to get things right.

When people don't post they don't make scum slips. Only scum hunting among the active players allows scum to get by with no attention and it punishes active town players (the more people post the more "slips" they'll seem to make regardless of alignment.) Putting pressure on lurkers (up to and including lynching them if they don't start getting into the game) should be part of town strategy.

You also seem to think that my votes indicate a push for someone to get lynched. If I vote for someone I'm not going to mind if they get lynched and at that point (and I probably think they're at least as good a lynch as everyone else) but I'm much more interested in seeing the reasons other people give for their votes than I am in trying to push for particular lynches for most of the game.

UNVOTE: tumescence
VOTE: Zajnet

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Beefster]

Holy crap, the deadline's really sneaking up on us. Ugh. If we hadn't wasted time on SV earlier, we might have had better chances of reaching a concensus by the deadline.

VOTE: Zajnet
He's looking really scummy to me for previously mentioned reasons and recent logic. And it's better than no-lynch.

[Gammagooey]

Waaaaaait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.

Beefster give me more detail on how exactly you think the time spent talking about SV was wasted.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

I can't believe I'm being called scummy for a jokingly random vote

No, you're being called scummy because you are; among other things. (Useless springs quickly to mind. But I digress.)

unvote

Vote: Zajnet

Totally unrelated:

WE WILL NOT SPOONFEED YOU DAMMIT.

Oh, damn, I'm channeling Ythan.

[Sotty7]

Are we sure we can't lynch Shattered?

[silverbullet999]

@silverbullet999, I put you on my no trouble with lynching list because your posts seem to be almost entirely unimportant, theory talk or reactions to being accused of things. I don't see you looking at that much that's happening in the game other than when people talk about you. Scum are more likely to do that than town and I don't feel as though you've been doing anything that helpful to offset it.

I half agree and half disagree... my posts pointed out SV's slips, wether scum or not is your interpretation, he's at the back of my mind. As of recent yes I haven't been commenting a whole lot or doing a lot of questioning of my own.

[Papa Zito]

drmyshottyizsik replaces tumescence. Welcome him and such.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Vote Zjanet
HoS Troll

Zjanet just come across scummy I would post a case but I agree with most of the ones already present.
Troll I don't like your OMGUS's

[KageLord]

Welcome drmyshottyizsik.

And just so everyone knows, Zajnet is now L-1. Now no one can claim that they didn't know they were hammering (though it may not even be necessary in this case).

[Gammagooey]

Beefster needs to answer my question before the lynch and we still have two days left, don't hammer yet please.

[Beefster]

I feel we wasted time on SV because he seemed to be the only target for the first half of D1. That really slowed us down.

[StrangerCoug]

Are we sure we can't lynch Shattered?

Even if we were nowhere near deadline, I don't think lynching Shattered Viewpoint is the answer right now given Zajnet's vote on him. I know I'm defending the former with WIFOM, but I expect scum to do a much better job of bussing than

THAT.

[Chronopie]

UNVOTE: Enigma

Zajnet needs to claim.

===[] is raised and waiting.

[Papa Zito]

As the smell of roasting pilot fills the air, the gathering takes on a party feel. The shoving on the liferaft becomes playful, and several people fall off in spectacular splashes. A quick impromptu diving game called "find the bone" is organized, featuring the pilot's femur.

Meanwhile, the dorsal fins circle ever closer.

Ninth Votecount of Day 1

1. Col.Cathart (0):
2. KageLord (0):
3. Chronopie (1): curiouskarmadog
4. ConfidAnon (5): AGar, PaltryExcuse, silverbullet999, Zajnet, Enigma
5. Gammagooey (0):
6. AGar (0):
7. Zajnet (9): smashbro_of_the_SSS, ConfidAnon, StrangerCoug, KageLord, Sotty7, Zorblag, Beefster, Shattered Viewpoint, drmyshottyizsik
8. Zorblag (0):
9. tumescence (0):
10. Enigma (2): Gammagooey, Col.Cathart
11. StrangerCoug (0):
12. smashbro_of_the_SSS (0):
13. Beefster (0):
14. Shattered Viewpoint (0):
15. Sotty7 (0):
16. PaltryExcuse (0):
17. curiouskarmadog (0):
18. silverbullet999 (0):

Players not voting: Chronopie

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.
The current wagon leader is

Zajnet

at L-1.
Deadline: August 4th @ 11:59PM CST

[AGar]

I can't say I'm completely displeased with Zajnet. I just hope that people don't completely forget Confid.

Sotty - you've seen the behavior before you say. I'm assuming you mean with Confid as Town. Have you seen Confid play as scum before? Is his behavior different, the same? Radically changing?

[curiouskarmadog]

extremely fucking busy atm, I see that Zaj is at -1, I had him as scum and will hammer, but would like to catch up first....this game is 2nd in line to update.

[Sotty7]

Sotty - you've seen the behavior before you say. I'm assuming you mean with Confid as Town. Have you seen Confid play as scum before? Is his behavior different, the same? Radically changing?

Yeah, I have never played with Confidscum before. It's more of a weak gut feeling about his play style, not enough to derail his wagon, but enough to make me not want to join it. Plus I really think Zajnet's ISO is a lot scummier.

[KageLord]

@Mod: Not that big a deal but Chronopie should be on the "not voting" part for the vote count.

Fix0red, thanks

[Gammagooey]

Welllll so much for that paranoia, Beefster's answer makes sense.

I doubt it'll change anything but

Unvote
Vote:ConfidAnon

[Enigma]

Zajnet has posted VL/A for 48 hours in his other games. That's going to push us to the deadline and will unfortunately leave him no time to defend himself.
He also posted in all his other games apart from this one. Doubt he is going to come back and post anything convincing enough to change our minds.

I would prefer a 48 hour deadline for the scum quicktopic discussion falling on weekdays over weekends also.

Unvote

VOTE: Zajnet

[AGar]

I would prefer a 48 hour deadline for the scum quicktopic discussion falling on weekdays over weekends also.

The fuck?

I'm not sure what to make of this other than head-scratching and not feeling confident about it...