Mini 1005: Mafiaphobes! (Game over)

[Tazaro]

If you guys want me to, I can replace out of this game. But I want to hear if you guys want me to.

[vezokpiraka]

If you guys want me to, I can replace out of this game. But I want to hear if you guys want me to.

As long as don't get modkilled (angry face) I am fine with you.

[diddin]

I would have voted KageLord, but no one else was and I have wanted diddin to die; my vote is on him. Why are we believing diddin? I need Sotty to come in here; he's got the right thinking.

This post and the next post scream sotty buddy. I also find it funny how Tazaro votes sotty and then when sotty votes Oso, Tazaro blindly follows him on it even though he said earlier that Oso's logic made sense and he voted sotty.

Tazaro is still the best lynch today.

Ans now he's asking people if they want him to flake? FLAILING SCUM ALERT.

[Tazaro]

If you guys want me to, I can replace out of this game. But I want to hear if you guys want me to.

As long as don't get modkilled (angry face) I am fine with you.

Nice inside joke. And diddin, it's not flailing; Poirot's post indicates frustration that I don't want to perpetuate.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Humble Poirot said it best, the game quality has declined. More posts do not always mean an enjoyable game. For example, Tazaro's spamming is a pain in the ass, plus I think he's scum.

Tazaro needs to seriously stop leeching off Sotty7. When you go as far as to follow a more experienced player's opinon, that's shameless bandwagoning at it's finest.

And Tazaro, for the love of god don't replace out. You replaced in for a person who would be V/LA for too long to play the game, for you to replace out via request would be disrespectful to the game. I'd rather have you lynched today.

I would have voted KageLord, but no one else was and I have wanted diddin to die; my vote is on him. Why are we believing diddin?

I need Sotty to come in here; he's got the right thinking.

I have an idea, form your own opinions. You're asking a person to come in here because you think he's right about something. Regardless of that, the fact that you want to leech off a person's opinion is horrible.

I don't have to scumhunt because didiin jailed the mafia nightkiller.

Yes you do. If you're so confident that Sotty7 is scum, why not look for connection between her and other people? That's scum hunting and you can do that now. Saying that you don't have to scum hunt is completely wrong.

I'd be an informational lynch and you'd get rid of an apparently annoying poster.

Hey hypocrite, didn't you say that quadz08 was an informational lynch? BTW, I don't want you lynched for information, I want you lynched because I honestly think you're scum.

He can't; that is the wrongest post he's made and it looks like an overreaction to my implicit idea that he's protecting Oso to me.

Don't answer for other people. vezokpiraka can answer that for himself.

[Tazaro]

Ninja'd by SSBF. Actually, since I like the idea that my leaving can improve the smoothness of the operation of the game, it wouldn't make sense to have people waste room with posts about what they think about whether I should replace.

@MOD: Replace me, please.

Goodbye, this thread is not for me, guys.

[Tazaro]

@MOD: Actually, I saw SSBF request. DON'T REPLACE ME

[vezokpiraka]

Mod don't try to find a replacement.
You did a god thing Tazaro. At least now you won't make connection with your scum parteners.

Unvote
Vote Tazaro

Sorry it's becoming impossible to think you are scum. I read you in ISO tried to see other people's opinion. Now I am convinced you are scum.

[vezokpiraka]

EBWOP : Now what are you doing?
You make me post something and ninja me?
Vote still stands though.

[Tazaro]

vezo: ... What??

[Tazaro]

Oh, I think you forgot a "not," vezo.

[vezokpiraka]

Indeed I forgot a not.

[xvart]

I repeat, there are too many PRs, in my opinion, in this game if you are not scum.

The problem with this line of thinking is that even IF all the claimed PRs are actually town and telling the truth, this doesn't mean that sotty is scum because any of the other non-claimed players could have done a kill on him.

If we did do that, well all I can say is that a complicated gambit like that is going to come unraveled before endgame and would surely bite us in the ass. Town gets confused and scum do use that but that is stretching it. One person might fall for it but not a whole thread.

Yes, everyone: let's work on the non-complicated scenarios, first. You know, the ones that are more likely to actually be the case?

Speaking of keeping it simple; I think we need to further scrutinize diddin's claim. The way I see it can go one of two ways:
1. diddin is town and he did block the kill (or killer);
2. diddin is scum roleblocker and there is another protective role that protected a different target.

I think it's probably safe to assume in a mini normal that there would not be a jailkeeper and another protection role of the same alignment. After yesterday I told myself that I wasn't going to hypothesize about connections and scumteams, but I can't shake this feeling. With Tazaro becoming scummier and scummier and all his doctor fishing and role fishing he knows there is another protective role which blocked the kill and he is trying to subtly get this information. I want to think about this some more and get some feedback because I don't want to jump all over this diddin/Tazaro scum team connection. Diddin himself even sets it up to try and get a protective role to counter claim him, which would still be in benefit to the scumteam.

The other thing that troubles me about Diddin's claim (which only supports what I just said) is the fact that he didn't mention anything about Sotty until he was L-1 claiming. He even says the reason he picked Sotty was because he thought he was town

OR

because he is good scum (or something along those lines). I simply am having trouble seeing how under either circumstance, with no night kill last night, that diddin would not suspect that he might have prevented the NK by caging the killer. Nothing at all? No subtle questions, no minor suspicions?

Diddin - how is Sotty dangerous as scum?

Double post: By the way, claim KageLord, you've been outed. And it's interesting you targetted diddin's neighbor Oso.

Why should he claim? His target didn't die.

That makes sense. I'd prefer to pressure KageLord with votes to force a claim (we don't know if his information is anti-town as he says, and it's probably not going to make much of a negative impact in comparison to the value of the information anyway), I'd prefer for that to happen rather than lynch Sotty.

Unless he has an information role that has the ability to gather significant information. His target didn't die; the claimed JK did not target his target, so unless he is a scum RBer he is fine keeping that information to himself. You are hardcore rolefishing.

I agree that Tazaro is likely scum, but I think we should lynch the scum RBer first. So my vote on diddin stands.

xvart.

[Tazaro]

xvart, I can vote for diddin too, but Oso is sticking out to me also.

[diddin]

The reason i didn't want to say anything about sotty was a: He might've been town anyways, and b: if i don't claim by the end of the day and I try to subtly crumb suspicion of sotty, I might get nightkilled.

I don't know from personal experience about how good he is as scum, but I've seen him on lists of best scum players and he's nominated for a Scummy for best scum performance IIRC.

[xvart]

xvart, I can vote for diddin too, but Oso is sticking out to me also.

How do you feel about his JK claim? Does it mesh with Oso? What I mean is if diddin is lying about being JK how does that affect your thoughts on Oso? Are they mutually exclusive whereas only one can be true?

Also, I forgot to respond to the people who responded to my question about the odds of Sotty being the NK target. I'll review those comments later.

xvart.

[Tazaro]

I think it's possible that KageLord roleblocked Oso's attempt at nighkilling and diddin did whatever he did or didn't do. diddin's real role is not certain, but this would mean that Poirot is the innocent neighbor who had TWO scum neighbors Oso and diddin.

[Tazaro]

Double post: diddin could be a mafia goon who did not submit the nightkill and is pretending to be a town jailkeeper and made up his action of targetting Sotty.

[vezokpiraka]

And tazaro comes ctrushing down in a river of wine. And it's all in front of me.

[Tazaro]

Me and xvart are discussing possibilities, vezo. My double post was contribution in response to xvart. Where's your contribution, vezo?

[Tazaro]

@xvart, putting my thoughts together like I should have:

I think it's possible that KageLord roleblocked Oso's attempt at nighkilling and diddin did whatever he did or didn't do. diddin's real role is not certain--diddin could be a mafia goon who did not submit the nightkill and is pretending to be a town jailkeeper and made up his action of targetting Sotty; this would mean that Poirot is the innocent neighbor who had TWO scum neighbors Oso and diddin.

[xvart]

I think it's possible that KageLord roleblocked Oso's attempt at nighkilling and diddin did whatever he did or didn't do. diddin's real role is not certain, but this would mean that Poirot is the innocent neighbor who had TWO scum neighbors Oso and diddin.

So if diddin is town JK there would be two town roleblocking roles? Does this seem plausible/likely?

Double post: diddin could be a mafia goon who did not submit the nightkill and is pretending to be a town jailkeeper and made up his action of targetting Sotty.

Then that would mean that scumdiddin was hoping that Sotty was not a PR that moved at night (because his results would prove that diddin was lying)

OR

Sotty is a scum partner.

xvart.

[Tazaro]

It is more likely that one town roleblocker is at play.

[diddin]

MOD: Can we get a votecount?

[KageLord]

KageLord has a role. I have no idea what his role is.
Don't rush the Oso waogn. Wait for KageLord to come back. If he is a cop or something like that he will object to the wagon.
Until then...

Unfortunately, I can't object to the wagon on the basis of my role. But, just as a town player, I would much rather have a Tazaro lynch today. 51% for thinking he's scum and 49% for policy. But, let's wait for a vote count and Humble's post before switching votes anymore.

I think it's possible that KageLord roleblocked Oso's attempt at nighkilling and diddin did whatever he did or didn't do. diddin's real role is not certain, but this would mean that Poirot is the innocent neighbor who had TWO scum neighbors Oso and diddin.

Wait... is there a such thing as a town RB? Otherwise, it seems like you're implying that I'm either a scum RB that blocked my own NK buddy (this makes no sense to me at all) or that I'm another JK, but I targeted Oso (this is just impossible since vezok's watch worked, meaning there was no JK on him).