/in-vitational 7 - Save Cow's Mind! (after 1014)

[UncertainKitten]

I'll decide that when I have time to read. I don't have a solid block of time yet.

[Ythill]

Townies can do scummy things and they still be scummy.

Nope. Do I need to quote your opinion on this from the RQS? The fact that ~5 townies supported this demonstrates that there were honest motivations for doing so. Therefore, claiming genrally that doing so is a scumtell rather than a nulltell is wrong, and disagrees with your own stetment about how to find scum. Oops.

It's suspicious because there was really nothing to gain from it.

Huh? We've locked scum into their flavor for later claims, and we have uncovered a possible breaking strategy to be used later.

...wait, are we flavor hunting?

Not yet. However, I think it behooves town to spend some time skimming the mod's GD/GTKAS posts because the cardflips may indicate a flavor break to those who are familliar with his habits, and we might be able to exploit it closer to endgame. For now, we should just keep scumhunting as normal.

[Netopalis]

Faraday: Although I believe that this whole flavor business is silly, I will note that the mod has discussed Telltale games with me before and is a fan.

Ythill: Not necessarily, for this presents a special case. Someone started this and urged others to do the same. Every lynch, there is a majority voting for someone, but some votes may be scummier than others. I need to reread the stuff about the massclaim again, though, to fully figure out what I think about it. I don't feel that there's a decent breaking strategy here, nor do I believe that "locking scum into their flavor" will be all that useful. I mean, it's not all that difficult to come up with a fakeclaim for any flavor that you're familiar with - I've done it a lot and I'm sure that everybody else here has done it as well.

[Ythill]

It doesn't make lying impossible, but it makes it more difficult, which is good for the town.

[TheLonging]

Nah TheLonging is still scum so it doesn't matter.

Me and DRK are neighbors. The mod said to me that DRK may not be of the same alignment, thus I believe DRK to be scum. Do you believe I faked my name claim? Why would I do that? Telltale Games and Bioware are both companies that look at each others work, thus it makes perfect sense.

[xRECKONERx]

My instant reaction when I find out two people are neighbors is that they HAVE to be of opposing alignments, but that's completely and totally outguess-the-mod-WIFOM.
However, it's not a claim that should ever stop a lynch.

[Netopalis]

Nah TheLonging is still scum so it doesn't matter.

Me and DRK are neighbors. The mod said to me that DRK may not be of the same alignment, thus I believe DRK to be scum. Do you believe I faked my name claim? Why would I do that? Telltale Games and Bioware are both companies that look at each others work, thus it makes perfect sense.

I really doubt that they look a lot at each others' work - they're very different companies.

[Cuttlefish]

I really doubt that they look a lot at each others' work - they're very different companies.

And based in different countries.
I'll totally sell my vote to the highest bidder right now. Who wants it on whom?

[TheLonging]

Nah TheLonging is still scum so it doesn't matter.

Me and DRK are neighbors. The mod said to me that DRK may not be of the same alignment, thus I believe DRK to be scum. Do you believe I faked my name claim? Why would I do that? Telltale Games and Bioware are both companies that look at each others work, thus it makes perfect sense.

I really doubt that they look a lot at each others' work - they're very different companies.

I never played a Telltale game, I'm going by what my PM says (I assume DRK has the same flavor, sort of, in her pm, thus we are neighbors)

[hasdgfas]

Vote Count the Seventh:

dramonic(4): TheLonging, DeathRowKitty, Haylen, Netopalis
TheLonging(2): Faraday, KittyMo
Netopalis(2): Ythill, xRECKONERx
haylen(1): Cuttlefish
xRECKONERx(1): SFG
SFG(1): dramonic

Not Voting(1): UncertainKitten

12 alive, 7 to lynch

prods needed: KittyMo (on V/LA)
Netopalis

[Ythill]

I'll totally sell my vote to the highest bidder right now. Who wants it on whom?

I will pay ten happy thoughts for a vote on TL, and I will join you.

UNVOTE: Neto
VOTE: TheLonging

Regarding neighbors, there is little agreement in MD. Mod-seeded neighborhoods are viewed as flawed due to the fact that most contain one of each faction, so randomization is recommended with percentages that make the role moot when determining alignment. If this game is a flavor puzzle, I'd say one of them is scum, but it's

waaaaaay

too early to say whether that's what we're dealing with here.

[xRECKONERx]

Fuck it. Ill do anything to counter this fail dramonic wagon.
I can't bold shit on my phone, but consider this a vote on TLs wagon.
Still super serial aboot my Neto vote though.

[TheLonging]

Hey, if lynching me will help show scum. I prefer a dramonic (little content over all his posts) lynch or a DRK (based on the fact she might be scumneighbor) lynch however.

[xRECKONERx]

DRK, TheLonging, Netopolis.

I would support any of these lynches today.
Actually, I would lynch Haylen too, but she's my fourth best option. That entire dram wagon just reeeeeks, and one of them has to be scum.

[DeathRowKitty]

I assume DRK has the same flavor, sort of, in

her

his pm

I agree with the people who have said scumhunting using role names is useless. Everyone's role name seems to be something the mod has a positive view of. I really doubt he took the three he liked least and made them scum.

I wouldn't be completely opposed to a TL lynch. It's not one of my top few choices right now and I'd just be voting him purely on the basis of him being a neighbor. I don't find him particularly scummy aside from that.

The opposition to the Dram wagon is really starting to bug me to be honest. I might need to reconsider my read on him. In fact, there's a decent chance my vote will move from him before I go V/LA tomorrow.

Other than that, obv-town keep obv-towning and questionable players continue to be questionable. I'm going to reread and see if I find anything new.

[TheLonging]

*he
*he
*he

sorry

[SFG]

I will not support any lynch within the first 20 pages or before KittyMo is able to return and contribute. However, I do find Longing scummy at the moment, and I'll do a more thorough reading of everyone tonight to get more solid reads.

I also must say, I haven't seen Rena on #mafia lately either, so her lurking makes null to me. Most likely she's having a bad week or something. I would aak you guys to give me more time to read her, as I'm pretty good at reading her. So please don't lynch her today.

Posted from my iPhone.

[Faraday]

I will not support any lynch within the first 20 pages

well thank fuck it only takes 7 to lynch.

[Faraday]

The opposition to the Dram wagon is really starting to bug me to be honest. I might need to reconsider my read on him. In fact, there's a decent chance my vote will move from him before I go V/LA tomorrow.

why is the opposition bugging you? I think the main opposition has been reck and to a lesser extend myself.

this is 2 players who one you think has 'been a bit odd to say the least' (I don't think I have ftr, my play's been quite straightforward I think) and the other is someone you don't really have any read on.
however it does seem pretty improbable (and bastardly?) that you and tl would be scum together so derp I guess, all on board tl wagon.

[Faraday]

I will not support any lynch within the first 20 pages

well thank fuck it only takes 7 to lynch.

Woops missed the second part (untill kittymo's back) comment retracted!

[DeathRowKitty]

why is the opposition bugging you? I think the main opposition has been reck and to a lesser extend myself.

this is 2 players who one you think has 'been a bit odd to say the least' (I don't think I have ftr, my play's been quite straightforward I think) and the other is someone you don't really have any read on.

The opposition that has been there has been very loud. If Dram's scum, either there are townies out there that legitimately think he's town or there are two scum screaming their heads off to stop the wagon. Either way, there would be something odd going on if Dram were scum.

[dramonic]

@Neto: I have no idea what you are accusing me of here <<
Provide a post that flaunts my not being up to date.
Because I am.

I'm not too hot on flavour-hunting.

[Ythill]

I agree with the people who have said scumhunting using role names is useless. Everyone's role name seems to be something the mod has a positive view of. I really doubt he took the three he liked least and made them scum.

I don't want to dwell on this, but I want to be clear about it in case I'm dead before it becomes useful. DRK is missing my point. If all twelve of us are the mod's hobbies or addictions, then the three that take up the most of his time

currently

are the ones that are taking over his mind. An example should demonstrate exactly what I mean. For the sake of argument, let's say that a search of hasdg's GD/GTKAS posts reveals that he's currently spending most of his time following soccer, playing mafiascum, and playing a Bioware game. In that case, if we have seen scumflips from Neto (mafiascum) and SFG (soccer), and DRK is still alive in endgame, I'd like the living townies to look very closely at DRK (Bioware) because the evidence in this example suggests a flavor puzzle that indicates DRK-scum. Understand?

That entire dram wagon just reeeeeks

QFT.

If Dram's scum, either there are townies out there that legitimately think he's town or there are two scum screaming their heads off to stop the wagon. Either way, there would be something odd going on if Dram were scum.

This is equally true if he is town.

I owe this game another reread, been focusing on other games for the past couple of days. I should have time to look more deeply into it tonight.

[Ythill]

@UK:

Caught up yet? Please put your vote in play.

[xRECKONERx]

Seriously, UK, WTF MATE?

Anyway, Ythill, how do you feel about lynching any of the other three on dram's wagon besides TL?