Open 236 - Pamplona Mafia (C9++) Game Over

[Prox]

which part are you addressing?

The point is that I see you as town, but some questions still remain. These need not be asked atm.

The answer to the Q of "Who is scummier; the asker or the answerer?" is now clear.

unvote; vote netlava

[Ythan]

Where is focus due.

[Prox]

Everyone who hasn't answered my wall-post(s).

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.7a

Netlava - 3 - ekiM, drmyshottyizsik, Prox
Ythan - 3 - Alduskkel, Beefster, yabbaguy
Beefster - 2 - Dry-fit, The Fonz
drmyshottyizsik - 2 - Netlava, Zajnet
Alduskkel - 1 - Ythan

Not voting: ...

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch. Deadline: August 16

V/LA: Netlava, August 9

[Zajnet]

Netlava - 3 - ekiM, drmyshottyizsik, Prox
Ythan - 3 - Alduskkel, Beefster, yabbaguy
Alduskkel - 2 - kyle99, Ythan
Beefster - 2 - Dry-fit, The Fonz
drmyshottyizsik - 2 - Netlava, Zajnet

We are a divided town.

[Prox]

you know...I replaced kyle.

[The Fonz]

I'm sure I did but I don't keep track of or take notes on the writing process behind everyone one of my posts so I can waste time answering these sorts of questions later. I also don't see how you missed my previous sentiment and think that realizing a mistake

after

the fact somehow gives you an edge on remembering what you were thinking in the past.

Well, normally when I make a mistake, then I notice it or pointed out, I can remember what I meant to say, and have a reaction like 'oh crap I wrote the wrong thing there' or 'oh crap I forgot about X-' whether I had meant what I had said but forgotten something important, or if I'd simply made a typo. If someone points out a supposed flaw in my logic, I can remember whether I didn't consider the objection at all, or considered it and dismissed it at the time, etc.

And no, I wasn't asking what people would do as vigs when I asked if they'd like to answer. You can say a is b until you're blue in the face but it won't go anywhere an I'm not going to help you pound a square peg into a round hole.

And I didn't say you were. But presumably, if no one had a problem, you'd have asked, yes?

[Prox]

I hate having my vote on someone w/ a LOA.

unvote; vote beefster

Oh hey Zajnet, could you please change your vote to someone who is scum? Or at least a different scum? That'd help.

Shotty's probably going to flake out.

[Nobody Special]

Lesson for the day: Do not prepare a votecount when hungover. (Fixed. The votecount, not the hangover.)

Alduskkel has been prodded.

[Prox]

@mod has shotty become prodded or ready to be prodded yet?

[Nobody Special]

@mod has shotty become prodded or ready to be prodded yet?

He's got about 30 hours yet.

[Zajnet]

I hate having my vote on someone w/ a LOA.

unvote; vote beefster

Oh hey Zajnet, could you please change your vote to someone who is scum? Or at least a different scum? That'd help.

Shotty's probably going to flake out.

Sure.

UNVOTE: VOTE: beefster

[Prox]

Oh. Shotty

did

post earlier. Sort of.

[Ythan]

I have no further response to Fonz. His latest post seems to be of nothing more than reprimands for my earlier play, which is less than necessary.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Sorry everyone, my house got hit by lightening, and I just got a new computer today.
So Prox why the vote on beef?
And Z why did you obey Prox like he was God? And why did you vote beef as the "real or other" scum?

[Ythan]

Sorry everyone, my house got hit by lightening, and I just got a new computer today.

I missed.

[drmyshottyizsik]

OUCH!!!!...

[Zajnet]

Sorry everyone, my house got hit by lightening, and I just got a new computer today.
So Prox why the vote on beef?
And Z why did you obey Prox like he was God? And why did you vote beef as the "real or other" scum?

Sucks man.

I obeyed him because I didn't think you were going to get lynched and because I have a solid town read on Prox atm. I voted Beef because I don't really have any other strong reads at the moment, but I am unwilling to vote for Ythan or Ald because I have gut reads that they're both town. The Fonz jumps out at me, but I don't know if that's so much scummyness or just a personality clash. I find net somewhat scummy, but as Prox had just jumped off of him, and me jumping onto net would negate the point. Beef is thus left with my vote.

[drmyshottyizsik]

What do you think of me?

[Prox]

Oh shotty. Haven't you read the thread? I've explained my vote.

As for you, we really need more from you. You're doing very little.

[Zajnet]

What do you think of me?

I think you're lurking, but you seem to have a legitimate excuse. If you resume lurking that badly again though, I will vote for you.

[Dry-fit]

Sorry guys, some bizarre circumstances recently came up.

I'd like ekiM to take more of a stance on players. Is Netlava still your top suspect?

Nothing about Ythan's back and forth with The Fonz makes him look an more town to me.

@Fonz: In other games I've seen you try to get the town to agree to certain things when the game starts. Why didn't you do that here?

[Prox]

Sorry guys, some bizarre circumstances recently came up.

I'd like ekiM to take more of a stance on players. Is Netlava still your top suspect?

Nothing about Ythan's back and forth with The Fonz makes him look an more town to me.

@Fonz: In other games I've seen you try to get the town to agree to certain things when the game starts. Why didn't you do that here?

Really?

Why do you find Ythan scummy again?

[Beefster]

1) You kinda contradicted yourself there, saying it was Ythan who was too lazy to go back and quote himself. That implies that the answers were there, and therefore Ythan was in the right.

^Misinterpretation. It happens. I can't read minds either.

The thought process I went through was this:
-He claims he answered the questions, which I'm not seeing.
-If he thought he answered the questions, why didn't he go back and quote what he thought to be the answer?
-He covers it up by labeling it as spoonfeeding to quote the answer he claims to have.
-I see this as hiding something because he refused to answer a question clearly.

Can you give an example of what he might be hiding?

Reasons, true intentions. Specifically, the real reason he asked the Vig question. After being pressed like 3 times, he finally cracked, but simply said it was gut. I don't trust my gut (or anyone else's for that matter) over the internet. I've seen plenty of townies that got mislynches by way of gut.

[Ythan attacked] a totally non-threatening random vote. It got the activity going, but that's not necessarily pro-town.

How can getting activity going be anti-town?

I never said anti-town. Scum may want to provoke activity more along the lines of flinging accusations or causing accusations to be flung. Not all icebreakers are pro-town.

Or perhaps being a village idiot as town thus making the rest of the town fling accusations at you. That gets the activity going, doesn't it? And I would call it anti-town. (This case is not applicable. It's just to prove a point.)

[Prox]

I feel ignored.