Mini 1011: Help! My Computer Got Infected! (Game over!)

[PieMan]

@FakeGod U s33m 2 think UK iz maf 2 huge levels, explain Y.

[UncertainKitten]

Ah, it specifies? Well, quite a quandry. Then I guess either investigate someone that seems really town or someone who seems really scummy. Honestly, with sanity in question, picking a null read seems dangerous. I'll also point out we're at 9 players right now. We can't really afford that many mislynches unless there's a cross kill, hence why deliberation and such is important.

[PieMan]

Small theory, I kno it is worthlezz rite noa, but it mia save town l8r.

Teh moar I reed teh moar I think thiz kop klaim from Twomz iz knot legit, 2 mani peepz think hez knot ded tonight.

Az I C it, hiz chances R low.

[FakeGod]

Eh, say that again?

[PieMan]

Ez koncept,

Twomz iz maf, UK iz maf, in a day or 2 we will have teh option of UK, or some1 else, who iz knot maf, or I guezz teh maf culd keep him alive bcuz he iz insain, and tri 2 use him 4 a l8 lynch on UK.

That iz teh basik koncpt.

[StrangerCoug]

Taking it back over. Thanks, animorpherv1.

VOTE COUNT

FakeGod (1): PieMan
jelly jiggler (3): screl1, UncertainKitten, Twomz
UncertainKitten (1): FakeGod
Not voting (4): diginova, Me=Weird, Nobody Special, jelly jiggler

With

9

players alive, it takes

5

players to lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

Prod one on diginova.

[Twomz]

Ez koncept,

Twomz iz maf, UK iz maf, in a day or 2 we will have teh option of UK, or some1 else, who iz knot maf, or I guezz teh maf culd keep him alive bcuz he iz insain, and tri 2 use him 4 a l8 lynch on UK.

That iz teh basik koncpt.

Wat?

[diginova]

I already posted my analysis on jj, and I was on the fence about voting him until 473 came along. I'll try to keep quote stripes to a minimum, and sorry about the wall.


jj begins by saying "In a way this situation is pretty similar to a gambler's fallacy except in this case there are people trying to get you to pick the wrong choice which makes it more likely that we pick the wrong choice." That makes absolutely no sense. Though I prefer not using meta as an argument for a lynch, the fact that SC has used insane cops in the past means that there is a chance he can use them now. However, you seem to have flipped your reason for the vote once people started doubting sanity.

I point you to your 464: "But I'm still voting you mostly by chance because I don't see any good leads and I think a semi-random(because of my hunch) guess will catch scum more likely than speculation." So is your vote based on the fact that you believe Twomz is a sane cop (as you stated before) or just on a "hunch" as a "semi-random" guess (as you stated this time)? It seems like you're just trying to have deniability, and there's no reason to do that as town.

Next, "Any idiot can just come up content. I see you asking a lot of questions but I don't see much analyzing." You aren't really doing that much analysis yourself, and what you do is mostly IIoA, or has a defensive clause built into it in case someone calls you out. Back to 464 again when you explained the case on UK: "but hey nothing is for certain". Stick your head out there and actually give your own opinion on something! Seeing responses to accusations is one of our main weapons in lynching the scumbags, and just following along with the crowd really doesn't help us out at all in the end.

Continuing, "Also, pretty much anything can be rationalized as being town or scum." Well, duh. What is the point of that? To me, it seems like you're again just trying to throw doubt into the mix to any reads that are given, especially your own, which is a very scummy thing to do as the whole point of Mafia is to take all the information as a whole and rationalize it and then find out which way overall the information is leading us.

"No, it's because your first assumption is that I am trying to defend whoever that person was." That's pretty much exactly what you're trying to do when you answer questions for other players. Asking questions and getting an answer, no matter how inane, is useful. Having people come in and answer questions for them seems to me like scum trying to make it so the other player doesn't have to answer, which

is

defending them, though indirectly.

"Thats not something something I would consider to be a first response in a regular conversation which is how I intended it to be." What? Please explain.

"A vote somewhere in the middle would have been a much better choice if I wanted to avoid attention besides I am always the center of attention in every game." Again, please explain. This makes no sense. Also, why do you keep trying to rationalize a vote that someone finds scummy? How does constantly defending yourself help us scumhunt?

"I don't like answering these pointless questions because none of them have any real answers and do you think I actually know? I don't think you could find a good objective answer." Since when does anyone want objective answers in the game of mafia? Mafia is a subjective game. Most questions asked have no objective answer, and objective answers are completely useless. Give your

own

answers to the questions, based on your reasoning and your analysis during the game, no matter how unpopular they are, instead of giving the answer people want to hear.

"I actually kind of want to unvote you now because of that but that has been poorly received by people who thought I was a newb." Yet again, why do you care what people think?

"Aw what the hell I'm not particularly against being lynched anyway ". Let me let that sink in for a minute.

NO. So you're giving up already just because you have a couple votes on you

when tomorrow could possibly be LyLo?

Give an opinion, start giving your analysis, don't just give up.

Now, if you said that in a gambit to try to make people think you were town, it's not working, as there would be no reason for a townie to allow themself to be mislynched day 2.

Overall, this entire game, whenever jj has given an opinion, no matter how small, he has also given himself an out in the same post to go back on it in case the opinion becomes unpopular. He's actively trying to sit in the middle of the pack and get as few people to notice him as possible. It's not working. VOTE: jelly jiggler


Sadly, it seems like it will either by MyLo or LyLo tomorrow if we mislynch, as 2/3 scum for a 12-player game seems pretty normal. If Twomz's investigation turns up that he is sane, then UK is mafia and should be strung up as fast as possible. However, if Twomz turns out insane, I think that PieMan is one of the scum we are trying to find. Just look at 504.

Twomz iz maf, UK iz maf, in a day or 2 we will have teh option of UK, or some1 else, who iz knot maf, or I guezz teh maf culd keep him alive bcuz he iz insain, and tri 2 use him 4 a l8 lynch on UK. That iz teh basik koncpt.

Just no. What you are saying is that if Twomz turns out insane our only choice at lynch would be UK or someone else who is town? First, why would we ever want to lynch between a choice of two confirmed townies? If he gets two guilty verdicts in a row, then we know that something's up and we don't trust his results. Second, an insane cop is still very useful once he knows he is insane, as he can just flip his results and Twomz is probably going to investigate one of the most town players tonight, and so we can tell if he is sane or not.

Why would the mafia want to "keep him alive because he is insane, and try to use him for a late lynch on UK"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that the mafia wants to keep him alive to use a fellow member as a lynch target? Unless the second half of your statement is assuming they're both town, and in that case I repeat: Insane does not mean paranoid. UK will be cleared or her death sentence signed tonight depending on Twomz's investigation.


jj is now at L-1. I would say not to vote him until he claims, but he seems to already have in 464:

but its not like I'm really enthusiastic about posting anyway probably due to me being a vanilla.

[Me=Weird]

Case on jj soon(tonight). This week has been crazy.

[PieMan]

@Digi JJ klaimed sum tiem bak he iz a Mouse.


Think 4 a sec

Who sez Twomz iz town? Wat I M saing iz thiz kop klaim culd b a gambit. There r 2 mani peepz saing Twomz will C tomorrow, it does knot add up in mai book taht a kop wuld C teh light of dai.

Yeh he mai C tomorrow, but az a kop, hiz probability iz low.

example
Letz sai
Twomz- Mafia UK-Mafia Twomz klaimz kop, he iz noa safe forever, and he kan use UK, and wen we hit a lylo or w/e, sai he chekd w/e smells a little but isnt maf, Zo then we hav a mislynch.

If he iz insain, it iz just a matter of convincing peepz, taht the maf iz town and teh town iz teh maf person, they lose a maf member, next dai, but @taht point they still mai win taht dai.

[Me=Weird]

PieMan, I'm not sure what you mean. Could someone who doesn't have a PR and understands translate it? Now,

A case on jelly jiggler

Random Votes. Blah Blah.
Talks nonsensically about lagerdog, whatever that is.
Does not seem able to keep up with thread, as he had no idea why UK and vezo were talking about azure and night.
And you would know we might not have very many PR's, because you're part of a/the PR low mafia group.
Votes xvart, for having a serious sounding post. Um, isn't serious

good

?
I thought it was trying to get discussion, but if jj says it's trying to get a lynch out of nothing, he must be right.[/sarcasm]
Voting right of the bat is bad? I was thinking it helped get discussion going. Silly me.[/sarcasm]
OMGUS so weak it isn't even OMGUS. Pathetic.
Apparently, he thinks he's non-noob scum.
Content? Where? Since when is active lurking not a scum-tell? Says he'd probably vote screl, first time mentioning screl, doesn't say anything scummy that screl's done;
Claims after one person asking for it. Feasible claim.
WRONG!! Active lurking is posts without content, of which he is a master. Not being onsite and not posting. No content by my standards either. Huh. It can't be because he

doesn't have content.

[/sarcasm]
Don't think so, look at the sample PM.
vezo was the most obvious what?
Finally! A case! Not a bad one, but why the

six

posts in between your initial suspicion of screl and the case?
Calling someone out on seriousness is content? What is this world coming to?
But long debates are content! Something he needs to provide!
More not paying attention to thread. Had to double post as he didn't read that there were 2 kills in time for his first one.
It is a rare good post!
Blindly follows claimed cop who is as likely to be insane, paranoid, naive, or even(*gasp*) random as sane. And for all we know, scum fake-claiming.
He admits his quick vote is vote-worthy, by voting UK because of her vote that, according to him, is as scummy as his own quick vote.
So, not only does he not know about the possibility of insanity, he doesn't know about the possibility of scum-fake-claims. And he's keeping his vote on UK despite having a case on someone else(screl). Just because of an unreliable cop result.
So he was posting then because of lots of questions that will (according to him) come later. And he's not even trying to convince us of anything.
Twomz will probably get NK'd? Thanks for the WIFOM. I've played with UK before. She was town. She posted pretty much the same, except more abusive. Brilliant idea. Random-lynch. Wonder how long it would take for scum to win…
I don't see those questions as useless…
I don't remember him admitting to being lazy. If content isn't analyzing, what is it? I'm pretty sure I could answer them. He unvotes UK because of something resembling meta, which is never reliable.
He doesn't think UK is scum anymore. Because… why exactly?
He… doesn't care about getting lynched. Even though if he really is town, as digi said, it could place us in MyLo or LyLo.

You know, I'm okay with lynching this guy. And now, question for everyone:

@ALL: ARE YOU AWARE I'M IN THIS GAME? AS FAR AS I KNOW, ONLY XVART AND TAZARO ACKNOWLEDGED MY EXISTENCE. IS THIS PART OF THE BASTARDY-NESS? ONLY A COUPLE PEOPLE CAN BE AWARE OF ME?

[UncertainKitten]

NAh, I'm aware of you M=W, you just haven't done anything of note to really be mentioned. This probably isn't that great but there are scummier fish to fry.

[diginova]

PieMan, I'm not sure what you mean. Could someone who doesn't have a PR and understands translate it?

From my understanding, he's saying that both Twomz and UK are mafia, and this whole cop claim is a gambit if he survives the night since he'd be able to claim a fake investigation in LyLo.
He doesn't understand why the mafia would let a claimed cop live. It's mainly just a load of WIFOM that doesn't help at all.
I still don't get the last sentence. I think he's still confused as to what an insane cop means and that insane cops can still provide useful investigations.

[PieMan]

Yeh it does knot help noa, but it mai l8r.

Well an insain kop gets opposite reedingz, so, it wuld come down 2 a 50% chance of UK or som1 else, wif teh assumption taht he getz 2 different reedz.

[FakeGod]

@Pieman: Cop claim could be a gambit I suppose. Weighing the speed he claimed vs. no cc's and report + claim at the same time, with the fact that he came in with a guilty report, he's looks like the real cop in my opinion.

[FakeGod]

How would you know that piraka was the vig kill and not xvart? Maybe you sent in the kill...

On a list of most useful people xvart would probably be near the top while piraka being dead last. It's a pretty safe assumption if you consider the alternative of 2 mafia kills a day.

I don't like JJer's explanation. xvart posted around cases/gave responses, etc., but piraka scumhunted too.

Pft UK your only voting me because I'm the only other choice.

This is a horrible defense. Isn't this what JJer is doing? Especially with this post....

This being only my 3rd game I wasn't aware of the possibility of a insane cop. However I will still probably keep my vote on UK because I think it's still a better bet than any speculation you guys will come up with. So for now I am going to risk it and keep my vote on UK.

He practically admits that voting UK is

his

only chance of survival today.

Well maybe it won't for you since you aren't even trying. Ah w/e I will do it anyway since I have nothing to lose. I am the mouse and I have no powers.

Here, JJer claimed VT, so we won't be risking lynching a PR... plus I wouldn't want him in the final LYLO.

I think this would be a good lynch. Seeing that even our un cc'd cop would be ok with lynching JJer rather than his guilty report, I'm perfectly fine with

Unvote, Vote: JellyJiggler

.

[Me=Weird]

[FakeGod]

You're correct.

My vote was the 5th on JJer.

Come to think of it, I think this is the first time I hammered on this site.

[PieMan]

@ and noa we w8

[FakeGod]

piEMan Ur PR I2 rLy aNn0y1ng...

[PieMan]

U R b33tr @ it than me.

[screl1]

@M=W - HOLY SHIT YOU ARE ALIVE!

@PieMan - I am going to respond to your WIFOM bs after the night is over.

@Everyone - Has anyone else thought of Towmz, UK and FakeGod as mafia? This is based on 3 mafia setup of course. It all really comes down to Towmz claim (if it is legit or not).... Just felt like throwing out there right before night came in case I get it.

[diginova]

I don't think a Twomz/UK mafia exists, as I think the cop claim is legitimate. UK/Fakegod, well that all depends on if we get another investigation, but I could see them as partners.

[diginova]

Also: If there is a vig/sk (probable due to the two kills last night), I would not recommend killing tonight. If you hit a townie and the mafia kill goes through, there's a chance that that would be an instant loss.