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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:33 pm

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zwetschenwasser wrote:Prox, could you post an example where shotty has played well?
No, because he does not. Most of his games are not yet over.

Even if there's no evidence that shotty's playstyle is contrived, there IS evidence that his claim is. Again, look at his ISO and explain how even a newbcop could do the things he has.
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:42 pm

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Hrezs wrote:
drmyshottyizsik wrote:I am a cop, well half of one.
Some one counter claim if they dont believe me
His intentions are VERY clear. He wants zwets partner to claim and out more power in case a doc exists
You think that would be worth losing one of their team? That seems ridiculous.
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:43 pm

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Hrezs is likely scum y'all, just saying.
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:46 pm

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Reckless run to become IC faster?
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:48 pm

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But seriously:

How good would it be for the real half cop to counterclaim right now? Or should he wait?
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:49 pm

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So you're saying he's bad enough to do that as town, but not bad enough to gambit like that as scum?
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:52 pm

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Hrezs wrote:So you're saying he's bad enough to do that as town, but not bad enough to gambit like that as scum?
This. Shotty's VI may be partially contrived, but there isn't a mafia virtuoso hiding under it either.
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:01 pm

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I find it telling that LynchMePls is making such an effort to defend Shotty and tossing out weak accusations at whoever thinks Shotty is scum.
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:05 pm

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me too, but its directed at me so I'm biased
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:05 pm

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Prox wrote:I just googled "decode dna" and even "decode dna forensics". NOTHING on crime came up. Shotty's claim has missile holes in it.
Orly? I tried the same thing. "Decode DNA" brings up nothing but "Decode DNA forensics" brings up this: http://www.le.ac.uk/ge/maj4/JoblingGill ... ensics.pdf which contains a lot about crime as the second result (The first one was about "The first human genome decoded"). And besides, even if it didn't I could see how someone (ala mod) might think so.

Anyway, both shotty and prox are both scummy. I'm going to want to read them both in iso before I vote.
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:07 pm

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IDEA: We lynch Prox today. Tomorrow shotty gives his result first thing. If his target is not who zwet chose then we lynch him. Otherwise we can count him as legit.
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:07 pm

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Lol forgot to vote.
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:37 pm

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Remember? Shotty doesn't know the target until it is announced.

SO SHOULD THE OTHER COP CLAIM TODAY?
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:40 pm

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also @bunny: decode dna brought up squat, non?
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:49 pm

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The forensic papers that came up were all about the human genome..
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:15 pm

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Erm, my eyes are bleeding. Does no one here study biology?

A
DNA Decoder
is, in essence, someone who decodes DNA. The best example of these types of scientists are those who worked on the Genome Project, decoding the human DNA, and finding out what each sequence represents. One does not decode DNA in forensics, one matches it to others (DNA profiling). While methods such as electrophoresis may involve using DNA/RNA/proteins, though it is based on running the given sample and analyzing how it compares to a known sample. In essence, DNA profiling, which is the identification of individuals through the use of their respective DNA profiles, does not, in any way, involve DNA decoding. A simple example of this principal (while not necessarily DNA profiling), is fingerprints. This was what also suggested to me that shotty's claim is not entirely believable.

To put it short, zwek's claim of Evidence Collector (or something along that line) is believable as it is what occurs at a crime scene, but a DNA decoder simply does not exist in the realm forensics, and I doubt, in this game.


p.s. I do not know how clearly I explained everything, so if any part is confusing, just ask. I still think shotty's claim is BS, though prox's bad play made him an easy target.
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:43 pm

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Sigh. I really messed up this game.
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:11 am

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@Katsuki: Yeah, you seem to be right. shotty's claim is getting less believable (even taking into account that it's just unreal flavor).
@Prox: Might you please stop spamming us with "Sigh"s? Please post something meaningful.
Curiously this keeps me still undecided on whether Prox or shotty should be my vote.
Doombunny's idea seems good, but if zwet lies (just in case), we would just have wasted two power roles, two NK-townies (or more if there are more killers, like a SK), and would only have two results (shotty's and zwet being scum). And that would be REALLY REALLY bad for us :(.
And @Mysterio: 1) stop posting fluff and 2) explain how does your #257 might work.
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:31 am

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Are you serious???! It's obvious that shotty's claim is a lie. Look at all the facts.
drmyshottyizsik wrote:DO you know who your partner is?
This is him making sure him getting caught in a lie HAS to involve a counterclaim.
drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Vote: No lynch
He voted No Lynch. Because of this:
drmyshottyizsik wrote:No one needs tp die
and this:
drmyshottyizsik wrote:We gain not lynching a towny
AND!!!! if we have a doctor we can play follow the cop!!!! because now I would like to
Claim: Cop
Despite this:

drmyshottyizsik wrote:My role is called DNA decoder
I recieved evidense that Prox's DNA could not be decoded which makes me think he is a SK
Here, he backtracks after seeing the town not believing that there was another cop out there. Not to mention that
DNA Decoder is not a valid role name for zwet's parallel
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drmyshottyizsik wrote:I am a cop, well half of one. Some one counter claim if they dont believe me
More backtracking. Why would he say that first part like that if he was NOT backtracking?

Most importantly, why would he think someone would counterclaim?
That's a scumslip
. Right there!
drmyshottyizsik wrote:Thats what I am, deal with it
He doesn't even defend his actions! He just quietly let's someone else defend him!
drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Unvote
He unvoted? Wtf??

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How is it not clear that shotty is a lie?
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:35 am

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Weird. I only sighed twice. I thought I had done it more. I don't think I'll feel inclined to stop for a while, sorry. They are opinion expressers. Not spam.
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:22 am

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pacman281292 wrote:And @Mysterio: 1) stop posting fluff and 2) explain how does your #257 might work.
1) What exactly are you talking about? What "fluff" have I posted?

2) How does it work? This question doesn't even make sense grammatically. Rephrase it, please.
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:23 am

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Vote: Katsuki

I say we lynch you today get some results
I urgw the other half cop to investigate Bunny and we go from there
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:34 am

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@Mysterio: 1) What you've posted have been mostly single phrases, where you atack someone else with almost no reason, and you don't even state why do you do it.
2) I don't get what you said on 257. Please explain the reason to that.
@Prox: What you proved is that shotty has been acting like a VI, altough there are some points where you are right. However, I won't vote; things are waay too hot, and I don't want anyone to speedlynch.
@shotty: Why the hell would a Katsuki lynch give us info? Explain.
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:37 am

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EBWOP: It seems like my #1 on Mysterio has redundance. Scrap "and you don't even state why do you do it".
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:49 am

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pacman281292 wrote: @Prox: What you proved is that shotty has been acting like a VI, altough there are some points where you are right. However, I won't vote; things are waay too hot, and I don't want anyone to speedlynch.
Okay, we need to address this.

Shotty, can you explain what was going through your head when you made those posts I quoted.

Everyone else, stfu until he answers.

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Pacman, just because shotty is doing VI stuff, it doesn't mean he's doing it without thinking. He has to have a reason for each of his posts, even if they are bad ones.

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I guess I have to say this:

Normally I'd be advocating us ignore the shotty claim and result and lynch based on content instead of results.

The Reason Things Are Different:

- The Shotty claim is scummy in itself and needs to be dealt with accordingly
- I really don't want to get mislynched, and ignoring the shotty claim makes me the scummiest player.
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