Mafia 1010 - Perpetual MyLo - Game Over

[xRECKONERx]

Wicked, gay avatar.

[DavidParker]

you're getting desperate lowell..

and i already put lowell at L-1 earlier wicked... oh, and noone hammered :O

[Wickedestjr]

I've read the first four pages and so far Shadow Dancer looks really scummy.

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked, gay avatar.

you're getting desperate lowell..

and i already put lowell at L-1 earlier wicked... oh, and noone hammered :O

That vote doesn't count. The next post afterwards a player unvoted.

[DavidParker]

yeah what a weak sauce move.

[Wickedestjr]

Okay, here are my thoughts after reading the first six pages.

Page 1:

Post 12: xRx suggests random lynching.
Post 15: Exilon's vote for xRx doesn't make any sense. He seems to have a problem with xRx's stance that random lynching is the way to go yet ignores it by randomly voting him.
Post 16: xRx backpedals and agrees that it is a bad idea and suggests moving on with the RVS. That seems odd to me: What was the point of the original suggestion? I don't see any.
Post 19: ShadowDancer's vote for xRx also looks very bad. The motive makes sense (bandwagoning to get out of the RVS), but it is obvious that ShadowDancer tried to make sure he gave himself room to backpedal:

Still, making obviously idiotic suggestions 1: deserves being punished by the first waggon! 2: That also allows me to bypass RVS, 3: there're still no dice available, any way...

VOTE: xRx

There are three examples of Shadow Dancer giving himself room to backpedal in two sentences. First he justifies his vote by stating that xRx's comment was bandwagon worthy. Next he justifies the vote by saying that it allows him to bypass the RVS, and lastly, he justifies it by saying that there's no dice available. There is no reason for so much justification of his first vote of the game, especially when not even questioned on it.

Post 20: I'm confused or there's quite a bit of flip flopping going on.
Post 21: Another scummy post from ShadowDancer. He explains why no-lynching might be a good strategy, yet follows it up by saying:

That being said: Let's stop this whole discussion now and start some real scumhunting! Yes: With real discussiun and real votes and a

real lynch threat

. And I mean that. If we don't find a good candidate we can still talk about other strategies when DL is nigh.

The bolded is the part I have a problem with. He states that no-lynching could be beneficial yet decides here that lynching somebody is the way to go all in the same post.


Post 23:

ITT Shadow Dancer demands real scumhunting before page one is over.

Your point?

Post 24: Possible Exilon and xRx connection here. He found Shadow Dancer's bad suggestion voteworthy but not xRx's?



Page 2:

Post 28: It looks like KoZ basically random voted but felt the need to add xRx's reasoning to it to make it look better.
Post 31: Shadow Dancer seems pretty confident for a vote with such poor reasoning.
Post 34: Useless post from Shadow Dancer.
Post 37: Magna, was this a random vote?
Post 41: Useless post from Destructor.
Post 43: Destructor had to know why Exilon was town in post 39, yet doesn't want to say why he thinks SD is town in this post. That seems kind of strange.



Page 4:

Post 86: I agree with Destructor's thoughts.



Page 5:

Post 100: Despite the vote being on my current top suspect, Lowell's reasoning is terrible.
Post 101: IIoA from xRx.
Post 108: Thief, no thoughts on the actual game?
Post 111: More IIoA from xRx regarding Lowell.
Post 112: brianj's vote for Lowell instead of Shadow Dancer when he has much more reason to suspect him could mean that Shadow Dancer is brianj's partner.
Post 117: I see MoI agrees with my reaction from post 112.
Post 119: I'm not liking the OMGUSy weak accusation of Quoi from Thief.
Post 123: I dislike this post from SD. He says that his attackers might be scum trying to start strategy debates, yet he is the one guilty of trying to start strategy debates in posts 17, 21, and maybe even post 25.



Page 6:

Post 134:

I'd say there's scum in {Exilon, Reckoner, Magma, Lowell, KoZ/molestargazer}.

Useless.

Post 135:

Sorry, I should have specified. It was the "real lynch threat" part I liked. That along with what looked like OMGUSing made me think he was likely town.

That is really weak reasoning.

Post 137: Not liking the vote switch from SD. He had previously stated that he had "caught" xRx. Also one of the reasons for his vote is that Lowell's vote for him was opportunistic but SD's vote also looks opportunistic.
Post 141: I'm not sure if I'm a fan of Magna's vote for Lowell here. It looks a bit opportunistic.
Post 146:

Lowell's too scummy to be scum.

Insert Facepalm pic of choice here ….

What is so wrong about that kind of logic?

Destructor is looking very suspicious. Maybe even more than Shadow Dancer. It is mostly a gut read but I don't like Destructor's strong defense of SD regardless of SD's allignment. At this stage I am pretty sure xRx and Exilon are both town. I was thinking Magna was town, but after reading page six I am no longer as sure.

[Wickedestjr]

yeah what a weak sauce move.

If this is sarcasm, then I don't understand how you don't agree with me.

[DavidParker]

i'm talking about the person who unvoted, i was happy with the L-1 situation.

[Lowell]

you're getting desperate lowell..

and i already put lowell at L-1 earlier wicked... oh, and noone hammered :O

You're getting smug, scum.

[Shadow Dancer]

Sorry, couldn't catch up due to illness. Will do it ASAP now.

[Max]

If exilon doesn't post tomorrow I'll search for a replacement.

[Thief]

A replacement post with no vote, huh?

[Wickedestjr]

I'm not going to vote until I've read the whole thread. I'm at page 11 now.

[molestargazer]

you're getting desperate lowell..

and i already put lowell at L-1 earlier wicked... oh, and noone hammered :O

Essentially:
Lowell(town) gets to L-1.
Scum can quick hammer then kill of the scum who hammered and be in a decent position, although some vote analysis will probably lead to a scum lynch or two.
OR
Scum can NOT hammer and make Lowell seem scummier because he doesn't get hammered. This likely leads to a townie hammering him, and then that townie seeming scummy the next day.

You've given us an explanation (2, in fact) for why this might not happen already.

Unvote

(If needed)

Vote: DavidParker

[Wickedestjr]

Interesting... so, molestargazer is scum.

[molestargazer]

Ah, you flatter me. Care to explain why?

I suppose Lowell's my scumbuddy as well, right?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I suppose Lowell's my scumbuddy as well, right?

Pretty much this.

[DavidParker]

i love when i don't have to defend myself

[DavidParker]

not that i was actually going to anyways

[Wickedestjr]

Ah, you flatter me. Care to explain why?

....fine...Wait a second.

I suppose Lowell's my scumbuddy as well, right?

Maybe. I'm starting to lean that way, but why would you assume that I would think this?

[Wickedestjr]

molestargazer, the reason I think you're scum is because of this post:

Lowell town usually reacts... much differently to a wagon on him.

Since you've used this as a reason to attack him, could you please show us an example and say why?

This wagon is picking up speed far too quickly for my liking. Will go through it properly soon.

You say that the wagon on Lowell picked up speed far too quickly, yet didn't seem to have any issue with the wagon on Quoi which seems very strange. First of all, the Lowell wagon picking up speed wasn't that much faster than the Quoi wagon. Lowell got 3 votes in a day and Quoi got 4 votes in two days. Secondly, Lowell had had a bandwagon yesterday, so it's not like this suspicion of him came out of nowhere. If I didn't know Quoi was town, his wagon would still look much more worrisome to me. Thirdly, Lowell's wagon yesterday had three votes added to it in two days. I don't recall you making any comment on that. In addition, you were even on the Quoi bandwagon, so I think you didn't have a problem with it because you were scum wanting to quicklynch him. This sort of implies that Lowell is scum. Another point: You don't even bring up an alternative.

[molestargazer]

I suppose Lowell's my scumbuddy as well, right?

Maybe. I'm starting to lean that way, but why would you assume that I would think this?

Because of the recent exchange I had with MoI about Lowell.

[molestargazer]

You say that the wagon on Lowell picked up speed far too quickly, yet didn't seem to have any issue with the wagon on Quoi which seems very strange. First of all, the Lowell wagon picking up speed wasn't that much faster than the Quoi wagon. Lowell got 3 votes in a day and Quoi got 4 votes in two days.

Simple. Lowell's wagon started to pick up speed RIGHT at the start of the day. Which is very bad - had the lynch gone through, we would have lost the whole day time for discussion, which we're now having.

Secondly, Lowell had had a bandwagon yesterday, so it's not like this suspicion of him came out of nowhere. If I didn't know Quoi was town, his wagon would still look much more worrisome to me.

It doesn't matter - we should still have time to digest the night information and discuss some more.

Thirdly, Lowell's wagon yesterday had three votes added to it in two days. I don't recall you making any comment on that. In addition, you were even on the Quoi bandwagon, so I think you didn't have a problem with it because you were scum wanting to quicklynch him.

See my reply to 1.

Another point: You don't even bring up an alternative.

At the time, I didn't have one. Do I need to have suspicions to believe a wagon is going too quickly?

[Wickedestjr]

If you truly believed that you had the whole scum-team nailed down and that Lowell is not even your top suspect why aren’t you voting that person (who I assume to be Shadow)?

Cause we're not lynching Shadow today, we're lynching Lowell. And I also don't like to analyze voting paterns, this being one of the reasons and the other cause I don't really see those patterns. For me, having a vote on SD or not won't change anything. I'm talking about the air-quotes " ". "am" =/= am. I meant that even though I'm not voting Lowell for reasons stated, I "am" on Lowell's wagon.

....

When you object to voting Lowell on the basis of ending the day early, then state that someone else is your top suspect and fail to vote for them it is indeed scummy. The only harm in moving your vote from Shadow to Lowell after Shadow’s return would be in leaving a clear voting trail. Only scum worry about that in this game. Yes, not being on record with a vote the entire day is scummy.

Vote: Shadow

AND YET NOTHING HAS CHANGED, HOW GREAT IS THIS HUH.
I think it is my turn to say "have you not learned anything from classic mafia"? Remember why I was dubbed scummy?

??? Did I misread?

Lowell town usually reacts... much differently to a wagon on him.

Since you've used this as a reason to attack him, could you please show us an example and say why?

By the way Thief, you still haven't answered this.

Vote: Thief

I'll respond to everything about my Lowell posts when I'm feeling less groggy, they won't be ignored.

This is a weak vote. Looks like bussing to me.

Well, I was also going by a feeling that even if Lowell was town, I somehow didn't think scum would be so quick to hammer this time. It works out better for them if town hammer anyways.

And, if no one hammers, it means Lowell seems scummier. (Yes this post is a bunch of WIFOM)

Essentially:
Lowell(town) gets to L-1.
Scum can quick hammer then kill of the scum who hammered and be in a decent position, although some vote analysis will probably lead to a scum lynch or two.
OR
Scum can NOT hammer and make Lowell seem scummier because he doesn't get hammered. This likely leads to a townie hammering him, and then that townie seeming scummy the next day.

Regardless, I think Lowell is scum and my vote is sticking.

I'm not sure if I like this post from DavidParker. There's too much WIFOM involved. He even admits that it is WIFOM... so why bring it up?

[Wickedestjr]

Rena, can you give your thoughts on players other than Lowell please? Thanks.