Open 236 - Pamplona Mafia (C9++) Game Over

[drmyshottyizsik]

just the feeling i got when reading his stuff, nothing to specific, like i said it was just a bit more

[Alduskkel]

Why do you suspect Beefster? I didn't find any reasons while ISOing you. All you said was that he was "dumb and VI'ish."

[Alduskkel]

Hmmm.

Hey Ythan, you questioned my random vote on you because I didn't post a reason. Why didn't you question The Fonz, too? He did it in post 29.

Mod: Dry-Fit is voting for Ythan, not Beefster.

Thanks ~~NS

Prox: Why do you suspect Beefster?

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.9

Beefster - 4 - The Fonz, Prox, Zajnet, drmyshottyizsik
Ythan - 4 - Alduskkel, Beefster, yabbaguy, Dry-fit
Alduskkel - 1 - Ythan
drmyshottyizsik - 1 - Netlava
Prox - 1 - ekiM

Not voting: ...

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch. Deadline: August 16

V/LA: Netlava, August 9

[Prox]

Woah woah woah!

Beefster answered his Q's. He is not scum.

unvote

Shotty, your voting pattern is suspect. Also that thing about G&H is true. But it is constructive criticism. Take it positively.

Al, probability has no effect on actuality. You didn't RV anyone else: you RV'd Ythan. That is a fallacy. Hm.

It's Ythan immediately addressing your RV that is telling.

[Beefster]

Well, which are you suggesting? 1,2,or3?

What?

[Beefster]

But since the rest of the town think beef is scum, and he is secind on my scum list

unvote
Vote:beef

I'll go after lava again tomorow

WTF? You had a nice case going in that post before.

[Beefster]

2. It suggests that Ythan knows things. Things we don't.

And I believe he's Town.

Why? to the bolded.

[Prox]

Ah, I can't see bolded text on this browser.

[Prox]

Hm...if Al

is

a Spy and my suspicions are correct, then there are 3 scum.

That would have to be Netlava and someone else...

If Al really did just make a little mistake as town and backtracked to fix it, then there are at least 2 non-Al scum anyways.

Netlava is currently the most likely scum here...leaving there to be 1 more...Maybe Drmyshottyizsik?

I need to read the thread some more.

For now,

vote netlava

[Dry-fit]

@Fonz: In other games I've seen you try to get the town to agree to certain things when the game starts. Why didn't you do that here?

Other game

s

? Really? I tried to get folks to agree not to do antitown stuff in one game I can recall. It didn't work out that well.

Well I thought I'd seen it several times. Guess not.

Really?

Why do you find Ythan scummy again?

I don't believe his claim that he didn't realize that the setup "speculation" he was planning to engage in was antitown.

I don't like drmy's vote on Beef at all.

[Netlava]

Just got back, will post tomorrow

[Prox]

Hi, Netlava, welcome back!

[Ythan]

I think talking about those things would constitute as rolefishing, and help the mafia. Do you disagree?

Because, really, can't you guess why scum might "randomly" vote a player on the Day after N0?

The case on Al isn't currently strong enough to get him lynched today. And there's more than one scum. I'd rather have a known scum alive N1 than an unknown one; this game has a vig in it.

"Hey I'm not going to ask you these questions because I think you're a PR and I don't want the mafia to know." Is this as daft as I'm making it out to be or am I just misreading?

[Ythan]

No, it doesn't. If I was the Mafia Spy I could be voting Ythan to indicate that he was Vanilla.

Even having a spy in the game is, if I recall, a 1/32 chance?

Also, reading more I don't know what to make of Prox. If he was really trying to be secretive why would he be going on and on about thinking I have a power? And on and on and on.

[Ythan]

Hey Ythan, you questioned my random vote on you because I didn't post a reason. Why didn't you question The Fonz, too? He did it in post 29.

I chose one player. You. When you botched your response I stuck with it.

Prox, spy speculation is farfetched. Especially when we know we have at least two Vs. Is it even possible? Checking.

[Ythan]

Had the letter system backwards. Still possible, still far fetched.

[Prox]

Farfetched, but possible. What were you thinking, then?

[ekiM]

I am puzzled by Prox. I'm not sure why he'd think it was a good idea to hide his ideas and yet still hint at them. However I'm even less sure of the idea that this is all an elaborate scum ruse.

drmyshotty's move to beef is very bad. Putting someone on a scum list because they're under suspicion? Pretty much the definition of bad bandwagoning. Also setting himself up to move back to Netlava tomorrow.

Also: The way he's talked about meta the whole game feels more like he's a weak scum who thought it'd be clever to pretend he was reading meta, than someone who's actually given a shit. He couldn't answer which games he read, or what conclusions he drew or why in any meaningful detail.

And: his lame "follow other people, phone-in inane scumhunting" style thoughout the game.

UNVOTE: Prox
VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

[Prox]

Sigh. I hate when I look like an idiot.

I don't think specifically the RV could signify a power; it could also signify vanilla. But I do think it signifies something. And I have no other backing than the thread and my gut to tell me so. And my gut ain't all that. That is all, end of story. Let's lynch someone scummier today.

Shotty or Netlava, now. Though I think the Netlava wagon is stronger. If shotty isn't just an idiot and is badscum, then we'll still be a bit safer at Night. Also, I find myself being careful whenever I lynch an idiot.

[ekiM]

I generally find I'm not willing enough to lynch VIs.

[Prox]

Right. I find that the key to dealing with VI's is looking at their reasons for doing their actions. They may be bad, but they can look legit.

[Ythan]

Well Prox, what exactly was your reasoning for that role business with me?

[Prox]

I've already said, haven't I?

[Ythan]

Are you referring to 344?