Mini 1006: Random Mafia Game Over!

[gandalf5166]

Okay, here's my claim, which rather completely nullifies all the good bits of the case against me: I'm the doc, idiots. I was trying to say it without really saying it, but apparently it went over you guys' heads. That's the reason I was so adamant that if there was a nurse, there must be a doc, and that there wouldn't be only one mason, etc. Because it seemed to me like I had proof. Granted, it could have come up that there was a nurse and a doc randomly, but it was unlikely. The rest of the case against me..... Well, really, there isn't a rest of the case. So can we get back to lynching Zajnet please? I'm sure his scum ass will probably attempt to CC me, but ignore it. Of course, since I said this, he won't bother, so WIFOM wins!

[gandalf5166]

Also, MK, I was simply saying that I believed that BOTH quadz and Zaj were scum, so it didn't matter to me which one was lynched. So if more people were voting for Zaj, I was going to switch my vote.

[AGar]

I don't believe it. Looks like a cop-out and manipulation of prior information to me.

I'm keeping my vote parked.

[gandalf5166]

I promise you, it's true. Granted, it doesn't prove my alignment, but it's most definitely true.

[quadz08]

I actually can believe that claim; that's what I was guessing when you were arguing so hard for there being a doc. However, like you said, that doesn't say anything about your alignment, and since there haven't been any successful saves (I don't think, correct me if I'm wrong) the fact that you may be the doctor doesn't matter anyway. And it certainly doesn't negate the case against you.

[quadz08]

Oh, and AGar, I just forgot that you weren't voting for Zaj before you switched. My bad.

[gandalf5166]

The main case against me is the setup speculation, and the fact that I'm the doc perfectly explains the reason for that as far as I'm aware. So unless someone has anything else to say against me, I don't see how the case is at all valid any longer.

[quadz08]

It doesn't affect the fact that setup speculation takes away time from scumhunting. Just because you're the role we were arguing about doesn't mean that the argument didn't have the same effect.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, but the argument in question produced a confirmed townie out of millar. I'd say that's definitely worth it, yes?

[quadz08]

d'uhhhhhh... what? No. It didn't. Let me show you something:

Is it possible that you have roles which were given without their complementary role? (i.e., only one mason, or a firefighter with no arsonist?)

Depends on the role.

[gandalf5166]

STFU he's confirmed. This game is only semi-bastard, and only because those roles were on the wiki page.

[quadz08]

I think you're nuts, personally. I don't think it's safe or in our best interest to assume he's town; even if he IS a mason, the same reasoning applies as does with you. He could still be mafia.

[gandalf5166]

No, because part of the definition of being a mason is that you're confirmed to each other. Non-confirmed are called neighbors.

[quadz08]

Idk. It's simply smarter to not assume, I think. We've managed to segway into setup speculation again, though, and I think that's enough of that.

[Zajnet]

No, because part of the definition of being a mason is that you're confirmed to each other. Non-confirmed are called neighbors.

I've been in games with unconfirmed Masons before.

Now, as promised, I'll claim.

I'm the Town Tracker.

I targetted Vezok N1 and it said that he targeted nobody, hence why I believed his claim, but I figured he could still be me a vanilla mafia or something, so I supported his lynch because at very least we wouldn't lose town power. N2 I targeted quadz, and he targeted nobody.

So quadz is town.

If he was scum, he would have used his bus driver ability (yes I'm assuming that he really is the bus driver, but in this game there's absolutely no reason to lie about your role).

[gandalf5166]

That may be the worst assumption ever. He's town because he didn't use his ability? It carries risks for scum too, Zaj.

[gandalf5166]

Also, Zaj's claim is not at all believable. He targeted the two people who we already know have done nothing? Sounds like scum to me.

[Zajnet]

Not really. If he was scum, he would use the ability on two people who 1) aren't scum, and 2) the scum weren't targeting with an ability or kill to fuck with town PR.

PREVIEW EDIT: I targetted Vezok to see if he really was vanilla, and I targetted quadz because if he used his ability, he was scum.

[gandalf5166]

No, that's the problem. Quadz should do whatever he wants with his ability. If he listens to us and does what we tell him, then he may as well have done nothing, because scum knows what he did too. And do you think that scum would have completely ignored the possibility of a tracker?

[totallynotmafia]

@gandalf: who did you protect each night and why?

[gandalf5166]

I protected quadz the first night. I can't even remember why. I think that that was when I was busy/lurking, so I just sent one in, thinking that something was better than nothing. Which in hindsight, was good, since if I had thought about it, I probably would have protected AGar. N2, I protected MK. It was a tossup between TNM and MK, because you were my two biggest own reads beside AGar. I must admit, I've been a pretty useless doc. I actually didn't post my actions right away simply because I was embarrassed.

[AGar]

The main case against me is the setup speculation, and the fact that I'm the doc perfectly explains the reason for that as far as I'm aware. So unless someone has anything else to say against me, I don't see how the case is at all valid any longer.

Because setup speculation is still pro-scum and not pro-town, and you're not confirmed to be a town doc.

The case still stands - your behavior matches anti-town behavior at best, but more seemingly pro-scum behavior.

That and your claim still reeks of foul fake claim.

[quadz08]

I still think Zajnet is more likely to be scum, but I'm ok with a Gandalf lynch today, I think. Just as a word of caution, we're at 5-2 (we think) so a mislynch puts us at 3-2 tomorrow, which is lylo.

[AGar]

What do you have to say for yourself Gandalf?

[gandalf5166]

I've already said all I really think can be said. I will say, I think scum are probably Zajnet and quadz. I've done my best to explain myself, and its not working. That said, as far as I'm aware, there's nobody willing to hammer. That said,

Mod, millar has not posted for over a week.