Open 236 - Pamplona Mafia (C9++) Game Over

[yabbaguy]

Allow me to ask the $1,000,000 Question: Why is Alduskkel's random vote such a fucking big deal?

I don't know how in blazes Prox finds a

contradiction

(scummy??????) of all things nestled inside a random vote's rationale, which is sort of an oxymoronic phrase IMO.

Fact of the matter: Ythan rolefished, and it's sort of one of those things that's irrefutably scummy; you can't really do much about it at this point. Seeing not much because of the game atmosphere that encourages camouflaging (Ythan and Prox are borderline spamming the thread and drmy, myself, and Dry are borderline devoid of content) and the squabbling that sometimes degenerates to pointlessness, I think my original vote will have to stand for now.

Prox is making a plethora of bizarre speculations such as claiming Ythan is town near-baselessly and basically reaching conclusions whose bases I don't fully comprehend. I will keep in mind that perhaps these are raw newbie thoughts, so I'm not ready to call this a basing of information on informed facts (i.e. with Mafia-given information), but it's something to look at. I'd also like him to restate his Netlava thoughts or point out a post where he stated such, just to double-check on him.

@Beefster: Explain the FoS on Prox

The case for shotty being scum actually is an intriguing one. He calls Beef dumb and VIish around ISO-14, and inquires about Prox's vote of him on 17, but then whirls around and says second on the list at 21 and votes him WITHOUT any prior indication that he felt this way.

My attention's on Ythan, Beef, and shotty at the moment- but again, camouflaging is encouraged as I'm finding out from firsthand experience. We really need to all make a conscious effort to hold people accountable for activity and also make the thread more readable; there's quite a bit of squabbling in the thread that degenerates to nothingness.

[Ythan]

When he refuses to explain it satisfactorily it becomes a big deal. Also please learn the not so subtle differences between high volume and spam. It will make you look like you're not misrepresenting people in the future.

[Prox]

Sigh. Now I can see why Ythan gets so stubborn about going back and repeating himself.

Are you referring to 344?

No. I guess I'll look for it

Prox is making a plethora of bizarre speculations such as claiming Ythan is town near-baselessly and basically reaching conclusions whose bases I don't fully comprehend. I will keep in mind that perhaps these are raw newbie thoughts, so I'm not ready to call this a basing of information on informed facts (i.e. with Mafia-given information), but it's something to look at. I'd also like him to restate his Netlava thoughts or point out a post where he stated such, just to double-check on him.

Sigh. I'm not that newbie. Ythan answered my questions and my gut told me the answers were valid. I guess I'll find out this game if my gut has any worth on the internet.

I don't know how in blazes Prox finds a contradiction (scummy??????) of all things nestled inside a random vote's rationale, which is sort of an oxymoronic phrase IMO.

Fine fine fine. I'll just drop it and call it paranoia. But I know what I read. To me it seems Al accidentally noted two different methods of random voting, and then backtracked to combine the two. But fine. I'll just ignore it.

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And ignoring that, Netlava and Shotty are still the most scummy.

This has been restated already.

@Netlava:

No, I don't disagree.

Why not?

Blatantly anti-town? That seems like a mischaracterization. I was about to answer the question, but then decided to see if there were any objections first.

That doesn't mean you should support it the proposal. I call this bull.

@drmyshottizsik

What made you think that it was a playstyle issue?

Has shotty answered this yet? If he has, I might.

EDIT: Shotty should answer this question.

Sigh.

1. I most likely won't claim at all.
2. It suggests that Ythan knows things. Things we don't. And I believe he's Town.
3. Questions about Ythan's immediate suspicion of Al's vote.
4. Already explained.
5. Al may be sending a signal to his buds. Probably signifying either he's townie or PR.

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When I inquired to Ythan if I should speculate about this, he declined.

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I already explained that the case on Al is too weak. There is little I can say more about it, and you find my thoughts implausible already. And I'm not going to advocate the lynch of someone based on one thing, especially something that can't be proven. But it only takes one to vig, and he can make that choice.

And I've already explained why I've held speculations back.

:S

[yabbaguy]

When he refuses to explain it satisfactorily it becomes a big deal.

*brainmelt*

Whowhatwhenwherewhyhow? Not sure what part of my post you replied to.

And high volume still sucks if people are content to be in a hidey hole the [w]hole game.

[Prox]

Sigh.

Can we focus on the whole scumhunting thing now?

[yabbaguy]

I am focused on it. (WARNING: Worthless debate subject incoming!)

[Prox]

Naw, I don't do that kind of thing.

Top suspicions, yabb?

[yabbaguy]

My attention's on Ythan, Beef, and shotty at the moment- but again, camouflaging is encouraged as I'm finding out from firsthand experience.

[Prox]

I'm going to take the risk of seeming like a noob to ask what you meant by camouflaging in that post.

[yabbaguy]

Seeing not much because of the game atmosphere that encourages camouflaging (Ythan and Prox are borderline spamming the thread and drmy, myself, and Dry are borderline devoid of content) and the squabbling that sometimes degenerates to pointlessness, I think my original vote will have to stand for now.

[Ythan]

And high volume still sucks if people are content to be in a hidey hole the [w]hole game.

Not my fault. That's always the problem with lurkers.

Sigh.

Can we focus on the whole scumhunting thing now?

Scummy. Everyone posting is attempting to find scum (or lying if they are scum).

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.10

Ythan - 4 - Alduskkel, Beefster, yabbaguy, Dry-fit
Beefster - 3 - The Fonz, Zajnet, drmyshottyizsik
drmyshottyizsik - 2 - Netlava, ekiM
Alduskkel - 1 - Ythan
Netlava - 1 - Prox

Not voting: ...

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch. Deadline: August 16

V/LA: yabbaguy, Aug 13-16

[Netlava]

What the hell gives you the impression that I had no suspicion of him?

There was no indication of suspicion, when normally I'd expect an active lurking accusation to be a somewhat strong accusation.

Why not?

I didn't disagree because I didn't think of a problem with the question.

Why does that bother you?

Because Fonz had not expressed suspicion of Zajnet when normally active lurking is something that players find scummy.

Oh hey Zajnet, could you please change your vote to someone who is scum? Or at least a different scum? That'd help.

Sure.

UNVOTE: VOTE: beefster

Don't like this exchange. If someone asks me to change my vote, the last thing I'll do is change it.

I think you're lurking, but you seem to have a legitimate excuse. If you resume lurking that badly again though, I will vote for you.

What's dr's legitimate excuse for lurking?

Because, really, can't you guess why scum might "randomly" vote a player on the Day after N0?

Why don't you just tell us what you think? Instead of suggesting everything is implied.

The case on Al isn't currently strong enough to get him lynched today. And there's more than one scum. I'd rather have a known scum alive N1 than an unknown one; this game has a vig in it.

Stupid logic. If you think someone is scum, then you lynch him.

It's a fun hobby I took up at the start of thursday morning murder

Which is when?

The game was moving along slowly so I thought I may as well start an attack on him,,, but that really didnt go anywhere

Were you suspicious of him or were you just doing it for the hell of it?

Hi, Netlava, welcome back!

Hello!

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I'm currently suspicious of dr, Prox, and Zajnet.

[Prox]

It could be mistaken as rolefishing if I just blurt things out like that.

[Zajnet]

Sorry everyone, my house got hit by lightening, and I just got a new computer today.

Seems legitimate. Who would lie about something like that?

[Prox]

An active lurker?

I don't think it a lie, though, nor does it matter the reason shotty left the site for the time he did.

[The Fonz]

What the hell gives you the impression that I had no suspicion of him?

There was no indication of suspicion, when normally I'd expect an active lurking accusation to be a somewhat strong accusation.

Erm, of course there was suspicion. To start with, to state that X is the worst active lurker in the game is an expression of suspicion in itself: it

goes without saying

. Plus, y'know, the whole me indicating I would have voted him had he not been V/LA thing (when I talked about how I wanted to use my vote to encourage lurkerhunting, but couldn't because I was already voting the worst lurker and the worst active lurker was out of town).

Speaking of lurkers and active lurkers, how about someone who doesn't post much, and when he does says nothing memorable?

Unvote, Vote: Dry Fit

[drmyshottyizsik]

Sigh.

Can we focus on the whole scumhunting thing now?

Scummy. Everyone posting is attempting to find scum (or lying if they are scum).

Unvote
Vote: Ythan

either you are just scimming the thread or you don't want people to start really scum hunting. Yes of course we all want to know who the scum is, but not everyone is doing so, not even you.

[Alduskkel]

Unvote, Vote: drmyshottyizsik

.

What happened to suspecting Netlava and Beefster? Suddenly Ythan is your top suspect? Also, your previous Beefster vote (as noted by others) was out of the blue and bandwagony.

Your Ythan vote is equally bandwagony.

[Dry-fit]

Speaking of lurkers and active lurkers, how about someone who doesn't post much, and when he does says nothing memorable?

Unvote, Vote: Dry Fit

Okay. Do you think I'm scum though?

Unvote
Vote: Ythan

either you are just scimming the thread or you don't want people to start really scum hunting. Yes of course we all want to know who the scum is, but not everyone is doing so, not even you.

Bizarre. Ythan appears to be trying to scumhunt as far as I can tell. And if there are other players not scumhunting, shouldn't you point them out?

[Prox]

My post wasnt trying to imply that no one was looking for scum, but more that what was going on was noy really helping.

[Netlava]

Bizarre. Ythan appears to be trying to scumhunt as far as I can tell.

If Ythan is trying to scumhunt, then that means you think he's town, right?

[The Fonz]

Speaking of lurkers and active lurkers, how about someone who doesn't post much, and when he does says nothing memorable?

Unvote, Vote: Dry Fit

Okay. Do you think I'm scum though?

Jesus Christ, what is it with some people? Yes, when I point out something scummy about someone and vote them for it, it tends to mean I think they're scum.

Specifically, I see a lack of the townie motivation to figure shit out from you.

[Beefster]

UNVOTE: VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

I wasn't happy with tumescence and you're certainly not compensating for what he did. I also think this lynch would bring forth more information.

[Prox]

vote shotty

Act.