Mini #1022- PokeUPick(Game Over)

[gandalf5166]

/confirm.

[gandalf5166]

Not much point in breadcrumbing if we're about to nameclaim. I support the idea of nameclaiming, although I don't think that it would be that hard for mafia to fake-claim. While it might not help too much, it certainly couldn't hurt.

[gandalf5166]

If you think it will help, go ahead. If you're really important, I'm sure we have a doc.

[gandalf5166]

Let us give you a list, but do not give the scum any idea as to which one you're probably going to kill.

[gandalf5166]

Oh, and I'm Wigglytuff.

[gandalf5166]

Off being lurkers. I BET THAT THEY'RE SCUM WITH DAYTALK WHO HATE JESUS. THEY'RE PROBABLY THINKING UP A FAKECLAIM OMFGZ!!!!!!!! Okay, maybe they don't hate Jesus. And forget the fact that there's way too many to make up a scumteam. >.<

[gandalf5166]

@Xite: Yeah, don't really like it considering it doesn't seem like an RVS vote.
Preview Edit: I think that he may have allowed it purely since it was Eevee. I also dislike Xite's claim, but I believe it until I have reason to do otherwise. We'll know from the kills tonight. If there are two kills, he's telling the truth, barring an SK. Of course, only one kill does not mean that he must be scum. That said, I have a question for Xite. What is your kill flavor?
Preview Edit 2: NB claim now. As town, you should have no reason to wait to claim. Waiting just opens a whole bucket of WIFOM.

[gandalf5166]

Wow, scum caught already? Sneasel isn't from Gold and Silver, is he? And yeah, why the hell did you wait to claim?

[gandalf5166]

Oh, okay. I didn't play all the way through gold, so I guess I wouldn't know. Plus a wiki told me that he didn't come in until Ruby. Problem was, the wiki ignored any games before Ruby and Emerald. >.<

[gandalf5166]

I have gotten all 150 pokemon in the original red/green/yellow games. And if you don't like that I call blue Pokemon Green, too bad. Other than that, not much. I watched the cartoons occasionally as a kid. And I got to like, the third gym in silver/gold. Also played the TCG a lot(this was back in Jungle and Fossil). That's why I picked Wigglytuff, she was always my favorite card. Also, I can sympathize with the uber Christian mom problem. Let me guess: Her racist self thought that the Pokemon represented Japanese demons? Not a personal experience, but one of many of my friends. And Xite, answer my question: what is your kill flavor? Also, I used Bulbapedia.

[gandalf5166]

I was questioning jimfinn because the mod had said only kanto/johto. Also, Prox, usually when players can kill, they are told their kill flavor, i.e. how their target will appear as having been killed in the morning. I was wondering, since if someone shows up the next morning as having been killed through said flavor, it will basically confirm Xine. Also, Xine is not confirmed yet. SK claiming vig is not at all uncommon. But water type is an unlikely SK role, so if that really is her role, then she should have a plausible kill flavor, and someone should show up as killed in that way if there are two NKs. If we have two NKs, but neither is the claimed kill flavor, then Xine is lying SK. PREVIEW EDIT: That said, it's clear that Xine was not told her kill flavor..... Presumably, we'll know in the morning.

[gandalf5166]

I had read, I saw you post that multiple times, I just didn't understand why you were doing it. It just hit me what you were talking about.

[gandalf5166]

Wait, is Espeo joking? Because he hasn't posted any reasoning behind his vote at all.

[gandalf5166]

Cases should be posted.

This. Voting without posting your reasoning is 100% sure to be unhelpful to town.

[gandalf5166]

So you vote first, and find excuses for your vote later? That does it,

VOTE: Espeonage

PREVIEW EDIT: Lulz at Espeo. "If everyone else did it, it would be anti-town, but me doing it isn't scummy at all." /confirm vote

[gandalf5166]

Yes, but you didn't post an explanation for quoting something you had already said. I didn't see the lack of a kill flavor in that post as proof that you didn't receive one. So I wasn't sure why you were doing it.

[gandalf5166]

I know it has nothing to do with that. Read yourself. I'm obviously responding to Xite, the post RIGHT ABOVE MINE. Personally, I don't think you even have a case.

[gandalf5166]

Well, in the morning, it isn't going to say, "gandalf5166 killed by water damage" in the morning.

[gandalf5166]

You guys are stupid. Stop voting esp, and let me read this game.

Don't worry, you'll be voting him too as soon as you actually read.

[gandalf5166]

Actually, the time where I didn't vote Espeo until after NB did was because my internet freaked out. I was really disappointed when I got it working again and nicol had already voted. Also, PRs are hardly going to be outed by flavor claim. It's Pokemon, any of the characters could easily be a power role.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, why did you guys pick non-Pokemon? Just wondering. Because I didn't even think about choosing a person, or a type, or whatever. The only question was which Pokemon was my favorite. Also, condensing a paragraph of a post down to one or two words leads to some pretty major misrep.

[gandalf5166]

The first part had nothing to do with the game, just curious. Second part was referring to MBF's terrible summary.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, pretty much every post has been successfully misrepped.

[gandalf5166]

No, switz I'm not saying that you questioning that there are two of the same is scummy, I'm saying that two of the same may well mean that one of you is scummy. Sorry if you misunderstood.

He too, was talking to MBF unless I am much mistaken.

[gandalf5166]

And........ you're right. /slinks into a corner

[gandalf5166]

I don't think that two Eevee claims = one must be scum. I might if it were any Pokemon other than Eevee.

[gandalf5166]

But the bolded parts are based off the summaries, not the posts themselves. And like I said, the entire thing is pretty much misrep.

[gandalf5166]

Gandalf case coming

soon

, and not immediately, cause he has to go make one up real quick.

[gandalf5166]

I think I'd be happy if someone dayvigged Espeonage right now.

This. And don't worry about vezok. He's just being his usual VI self.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah. "Everyone thinks he's scum, so he can't be scum." Wtf? And by the way, if a wagon starts on my scumbuddy, I immediately jump on. So the whole, "the wagon must be made of townies if it hits scum" idea is wrong.

[gandalf5166]

Vezok, you have never ever played with me as scum.

[gandalf5166]

Vezok, I have only been scum once in my entire time on-site. Please stop lying about my meta.

[gandalf5166]

It doesn't have any at all. If you look at my (recently updated) wiki, I have been scum only once my entire time on site, my very first game. And I can tell you right now, I am definitely not playing to that meta, because I do not suck that much anymore. Now, vezok is generally pretty VI. But he lies as scum. A lot. Can't give a link, because it's ongoing, but I actually have meta, unlike vez. If you search through my large themes, you'll find it.

[gandalf5166]

"Lies" was the wrong word there. More like "fakes a case".

[gandalf5166]

unvote

I want to let Espeo present his case if he has one. And yeah, but they at least just aren't supplying their reasoning. Granted, if they make another post without revealing it, you know where my vote's going to go. But having reasoning that's just made up is a bit more serious. Considering a vote. Wow. Just realized, MBF is the only person voting me with any semblance of reasoning.

[gandalf5166]

Doesn't DMSIS need to name-claim? I don't think kyle ever did.

[gandalf5166]

That case is kind of hilarious. By taking my posts out of context, you've managed to twist them to sound scummy. I'll show you exactly why in the morning, I've got to eat and go to bed now. And by the way, I believe MBF is 100% town. I just don't like his summary.

[gandalf5166]

VOTE: Espeo

I had taken my vote off to give Espeo some time to post his case.

[gandalf5166]

MOD- I'm not voting anybody. I unvoted vezok a bit ago. Also i dont like your vote count. What's the purpose of showing players with 0 votes?

Post and vote soon.

It makes it easier for him to edit it. He just copy and pastes the old VC, and makes the changes.

[gandalf5166]

Hot damn, DMSIS is playing his scum meta.

VOTE: DMSIS

Note: I'm still for an Espeo lynch, but DMSIS is ssssssoooooo scummy right now.

[gandalf5166]

I AM kind of doubtful as to whether a lightning rod would be put into the game. It just seems...... unbalanced, tbh. With a vig and a mafia kill, it would be committing suicide to use it, even if there was a doc. And plus, due to my role, I have reason to doubt it..... Not gonna say more than that.

[gandalf5166]

The point of that was, it would be incredibly anti-town to use it, since it would stop investigations and vigs and such. Maybe if there was an important day role that he wanted to keep alive for another day.

[gandalf5166]

OOh, that last post sounds desperate. Like there's some reason he needs to be kept alive until D2. Also, even if we believe DMSIS's claim, it really seems like it's more likely to be a scum role.

[gandalf5166]

Yes, but if scum chose NOT to night kill, then it could be useful to scum, by confusing cops and such. And I'm going to claim, simply because it rather invalidates DMSIS's claim. I'm a roleblocker. So paradox would in fact result. Lynch lynch lynch lynch lynch.

[gandalf5166]

By the way, for those of you too lazy to look back, my flavor name is Wigglytuff. Also, I have a suspicion that this is a no vanilla setup. That's why I wasn't particularly worried about "outing" PRs with the name claim thing.

[gandalf5166]

Well, I kind of implied it in that one post. I just couldn't decide if it was worth outing myself as a power role, since he was probably going to be lynched anyways, and because I was still debating over the no-vanilla thing.

[gandalf5166]

I'm sorry, I figured that DMSIS had answered that question for me. The thing is, DMSIS has these little catch words he uses as scum. Misrep, OMGUS, active lurking, etc. Also, he votehops like a three year old on crack cocaine. If you look at his town games, he mostly just bandwagons and setup speculates. And then there's the line: "Trying to keep suspicion away from himself", which he hasn't used so far this game, but I'm sure it will come soon. In other words, if he's town, you'll be almost certain he's scum. When he's scum, you'll think he's scum, but then you'll decide that he's probably newb town.

[gandalf5166]

And for those of you wondering why I'm so familiar with shotty's meta even though I've only played with him a couple times, he's my best friend IRL, so he asks me to read all his games so I can give him feedback later. So I have not only read all the games in that post, but also a few ongoing games where he has already flipped. Plus some ongoing games where I've already guessed what he's going to flip. So I trust my shotty meta more than my meta on any other player on this site.

[gandalf5166]

DMSIS's ability is reportedly one-shot. Also, mod, although we are best friends, we're also best friends that don't see each other very often. :/ So it's fine.

[gandalf5166]

Trust me, vezo is town.

[gandalf5166]

No, I know that's probably true. I just hate the playstyle. It makes me yearn for a policy lynch

Trust me, everyone who has ever played with him has had the same urge.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, the reason I claimed without any in-game stimulation was because the argument was with myself, not with you guys. And the no-vanilla thing was just a hunch based on all the soft-claims, and the fact that I have NEVER played a uPick with vanillas. And...... the case again. I'll probably be able to rebut it tomorrow, my brother's been in town this last week, so I was hanging out with him instead of playing mafia. :/

[gandalf5166]

Yes, but it could also be a weak town role in a no-vanilla game. I have to be careful with my ability, or I could hit pro-town roles. And I know that I promised it, like, a week ago, but honestly, I place family over this. If you've got a problem with that, go ahead and lynch me.

[gandalf5166]

Mostly his withholding information from the town, while simultaneously allowing himself an excuse to fall back on when a scan calls him scum. It's a move I'd expect ballsy scum to try, especially in a U-Pick.

Wait, is this referring to Prox? And I will have that post up TODAY. Gotta go read my other games first though. And where the hell is Jarti? He hasn't posted in like, a century.

[gandalf5166]

MBF, that's what we're worried about. It would skip a night. Now, we have a vig and probably an investigative role too. Whereas scum has a kill and maybe a couple of minor power roles. What we're debating is whether skipping a night is pro-town, considering that scum would get an NK anyways. My theory is that IF DMSIS is telling the truth about his ability(which I don't think he is, for paradox reasons) then he's probably bullet proof scum.

[gandalf5166]

Was it really yesterday? Seems like it was a long time ago. :/ But what IS your opinion on the DMSIS wagon?

[gandalf5166]

MBF, if you don't like power role/flavor-centric games, then don't join a uPick. Hell, the game starts by everyone deciding what their flavor will be, and indirectly, what their role will be.

[gandalf5166]

I forgot about our vig.
Ahhh. I shouldn't have lurked that much.
Xite please don't kill. If you want I will claim just so oyu don't kill me.

Wow. Survivor much?

[gandalf5166]

Okay, Nicol's reasoning makes sense. So here's my case.

The short version: Gandalf's overzealous play makes him likely to be scum because it involves him both keeping town distracted and pushing cases with little merit so fast we don't notice the lack of evidence.

Long version: Throughout this game, Gandalf's been playing very aggressively. He's one of the more frequent posters, but despite this, there's very little content in his posts. In fact, I think it's safe to say there's no scumhunting in any of his play so far.

I'm assuming that you're saying this because I haven't posted any huge wall o text posts like this one. I have found that real scum are more likely to be found by small mistakes in addition to gut than by consistently anti-town play. With a few exceptions, of course. I'm not discrediting your playstyle, just saying that it usually doesn't work for me.

But here's what he has done.

Forced Quick Nameclaiming

I think we've all determined by this point that a mass nameclaim is pretty much the way to go. But that wasn't the case on Page 2, where our first claim is made. And why was that claim made?

Not much point in breadcrumbing if we're about to nameclaim. I support the idea of nameclaiming, although I don't think that it would be that hard for mafia to fake-claim. While it might not help too much, it certainly couldn't hurt.

I say we go for it, I have no problem being the first, and again I ask, do people want me to full claim, considering it will help town?

If you think it will help, go ahead. If you're really important, I'm sure we have a doc.

Alright

Well, I am the Water Type
Each night I get to choose one player to do water-type damage to (Vig)
Which is why I wanted to claim, I want it to be town directed, and I don't think the doc should worry about me, the kill still goes through if I'm NK'd, and I'm sure there's better PR's to protect.

In the span of 15 minutes, Gandalf convinces Xite to claim by encouraging him to commit to his promise to be the first and his promise that there is a Doc waiting to protect him. Aside from the fact that this reasoning is opposite (which someone else pointed out, I don't remember who), this is just anti-town. The pro-town move to make would be to make sure Xite doesn't claim until more than, say, half the people in the game have had a chance to weigh in. Xite's claim broke down the floodgates, encouraging everyone else to join the massclaim.

Nobody was forced to claim. They just used their brains and realized that there wasn't any reason not to. And to be honest, I didn't realize she was going to claim vig. I figured she was going to claim miller or something. And think about it. If she did claim something important, which she did, then mafia would be stupid to kill her. Because IF there was a doctor, they would have wasted their nightkill. So whether or not there is a doc, she's pretty much safe.

Now, if Gandalf is scum, as I believe him to be, this course of action serves multiple purposes. It forces the town to focus on claims and keeps them from doing any initial scumhunting based on gameplay; instead we're theorizing based on claims. It also, in this particular case, convinced someone who appears to be a power role to claim. Regardless of Xite's alignment, this is bad for us; if he's really the Vig, he's now exposed and likely to get picked off, if he's scum pretending to be Vig, he's been outed in an attempt to gain our trust. And it accelerates the game's speed before everyone can weigh in. Scum have everything to gain from us moving faster than we should and not thinking about our actions.

The point of a mass name claim at start was to make scum to stick to their flavor claims, potentially limiting their full-claims later on. And accelerating the game speed at the beginning is definitely good. RVS is a bunch of bullshit.

And lest you think this is an isolated incident, look here:

I did not exactly "list bandwagon". The post by gandalf perfectly addressed my concerns, while still giving the town a way to input some opinions.

And I want to see more input from others before I claim. That's why I posted that "where is everyone else?" post. Your reasoning is bad, but I don't see any scummy things about it.

...
Preview Edit 2: NB claim now. As town, you should have no reason to wait to claim. Waiting just opens a whole bucket of WIFOM.

Again, he sees someone hesitating to claim and pushes them over the edge. The only difference is this time he uses the stick instead of the carrot; whereas before claiming would warrant the protection of a Doc, now not claiming has the stigma of being labeled non-town. And his actions afterwards are even more interesting. Which leads me to my next point...

When I made this post, my brain hurt from another game, and I was kind of pissed off, so when I saw someone not claiming, yeah, I got angry, as like I have said, I don't think that withholding your name-claim is a good idea.And I didn't get any grapefruit juice, so I'm not scum.

Parrotting Others' Ideas

Through the game, Gandalf hasn't been actually coming up with any unique theories or arguments against anyone, at least not any with evidence. What he'd rather do instead is parrot back the beliefs of others to gain support. Like in this lovely exchange right after Nicol does claim.

So why did you wait to claim?

Wow, scum caught already? Sneasel isn't from Gold and Silver, is he? And yeah, why the hell did you wait to claim?

Ignoring the fact that this statement is made shortly after Gandalf was encouraging Nicol to claim without any such questions about why he was waiting so long to do so, this is a clear instance where Gandalf takes up the idea of another and runs with it so we don't see that he doesn't have any ideas of his own. Here's another example, early in his crusade against Espy.

At the time, it seemed like he MIGHT have had reasons not to name claim, but after he did, I didn't get it. And since when is not being the first one to respond to everything a scum tell?

Wait, is Espeo joking? Because he hasn't posted any reasoning behind his vote at all.

Cases should be posted.

This. Voting without posting your reasoning is 100% sure to be unhelpful to town.

Why is it that the first time he points out that Espy hasn't posted a case, it's a confusing potential joke, and the second time, it's antitown? Answer: Because the second time it's Prox that says it, (possibly) inadvertently laying the groundwork for Gandalf to rail against Espeonage. Which brings me to my last point...

All I can do is hold my head in my palms and say stupid. I didn't LITERALLY think it was a joke. And I still think that voting without reasons is anti-town. The reason you vote is because you want someone to be lynched, and if you don't supply reasoning, no one is going to vote with you.

Over-Relentless Idea-Pushing

Now, Gandalf hasn't been quite as guilty of these former offenses lately, because he's been busy trying to make everyone else (especially Espeonage, MBF, and Vezo) look scummy instead, and this is how: by pushing their apparent scumminess down our throats until we believe it. I'm not going to post quotes here because most of the posts I would quote are so short they'd waste space, but their message is always the same. If it's about Espy, he's saying that he lacks a case and is scummy. If it's about MBF, he starts talking about how his summary "misreps" everyone. If it's about Vezo, Vezo's making up the scumGandalf meta he's using. You get the drift.

I have specifically said that I believe 100%that both MBF and VP are town. So shut up. And Espeo is still scummy. The case he made is entirely makeshift. I seriously doubt that that was what he had when he voted me. If it was, he would have had plenty of time to refine it and make it less..... contentless?

The point is, if he pushes these ideas long enough, we're going to start believing them. But there's no hard evidence to back any of these assertions up. Espeonage could be making up the case, but we have no way of knowing. MBF could be misrepping, but no one has come forward with examples. Etc. But Gandalf doesn't need any evidence anyways as long as he can convince us to go after people like Espy without thinking about it.

Which brings me back to the short version of the argument at the top of the post.

[gandalf5166]

So yeah. Switz's case is a whole batch of BS. But we can lynch him AFTER his scumbuddies, Shotty and Espeo. So it's all good. D3 win anyone?

[gandalf5166]

Wow. So being sure that someone is town is a scumtell now? Damn, my gut is good. But seriously, I simply can't imagine a scenario in which either of them are scum.

[gandalf5166]

My last few games have taught me to trust my D1 gut reads.

[gandalf5166]

I roleblocked Espeonage. I suspect that I may have blocked the mafia kill, and that Xite shot vezok. I'll have to look back at Xite's posts first though.

[gandalf5166]

I'll vote Espeo as soon as Xite gets in here and says for sure who he killed. Actually, never mind. He's scummy anyways.

VOTE: Espeo

[gandalf5166]

Oh, so you could have had your partner say that they had received a fish from you? Good thing you decided to actually read the thread this morning, or your plan would have gone awry. And Xite, I'm Wigglytuff.

[gandalf5166]

Honestly, I'm going to go ahead and call BULLSHIT on this.

Is there anybody with weird nonstandard roles like this? If so, say YES, that's all. Dont say what it is.

My reasoning- So far all roles revealed do normal things. Espeonage's claim doesnt. Therefore, Espeonage is lying.

vote espeonage

This case is retarded. After Espeo flips scum, you're going down for some pretty crappy bussing.

[gandalf5166]

Yes, but this role 1. Doesn't say who sent the fish and 2. Doesn't ACTUALLY confirm him as town.

[gandalf5166]

MBF: One problem: I'm not rookie scum. And Switz: The whole "I recieved a fish and claimed to roleblock" thing doesn't work. Because I claimed roleblocker yesterday. And if I was scum roleblocker, why would I fuck myself over by roleblocking Xite, thus making it incredibly fucking obvious that I'm scum? I realize that that's of course the situation right now, and I'm trying to figure that out. I'm more inclined to the scum roleblocker that isn't me theory than the doc theory. Because who the hell would protect Espeo?

[gandalf5166]

Switz, you're stupid. I'm Wigglytuff, my "flavor" is fucking obvious. Lullaby, stupid. And Nicol, if you're going to softclaim, just go ahead and do it.

[gandalf5166]

Because who the hell would protect Espeo?

A scumdoctor.

But that only holds if Espeo is scum. So MOAR VOTES PLOX.

[gandalf5166]

Although that is WIFOM. :/

[gandalf5166]

Okay, that sounds like an unlikely fakeclaim, so NB is town. And yes, I realize it's to my advantage to say this, but it's true.

[gandalf5166]

Xite, we didn't get a moveset. But we DON'T ALL HAVE THE SAME ROLE EITHER LOL.

[gandalf5166]

To make it clear- I told the mod i picked gengar with the mentioned moves.

Oh. That's strange. Then I doubt that there's much correlation between names and effects. But I think you would be best off using them on anti-town players. Possibly protecting Espeo would be better than possibly vigging MBF.

[gandalf5166]

I don't like Nicol's claim.

Care to explain?

[gandalf5166]

I just have gut that tells me MBF is town. And I'm protecting Nicol because I believe he's town. That and he's standing between me and a lynch >.>

[gandalf5166]

I just.... don't have any reason to think he's scum. That opinion could be changed though.
PEDIT: Shut up, Xite. >.>

[gandalf5166]

Xite- what distancing? Gandalf is 100% town.

Good point.

[gandalf5166]

Ok I can confirm myself tonight. Why would you kill me now? The town roleblockers just don't roleblock me and all is good with the world.

Your ability is every bit as useless as it sounds. It does not confirm you in any sense of the word.

[gandalf5166]

Ok I can confirm myself tonight. Why would you kill me now? The town roleblockers just don't roleblock me and all is good with the world.

Your ability is every bit as useless as it sounds. It does not confirm you in any sense of the word.

How do you know? I thought you role-blocked him?

He TOLD us what his ability did. It sends a message that simply says "You have received a Magikarp", and nothing more. It doesn't even say that Espeo sent it, as far as he has said.

[gandalf5166]

They just get. "You have recieved a Magikarp."

[gandalf5166]

EBWOP
Not sure if I did this yet

Unvote, Vote Gandalf

Preview edit: Then how does that confirm you as town Espy?

If you're going to attack me, at least vote NB first. Or maybe scum should try reading the thread?

[gandalf5166]

Yes, I was accusing you. Did you somehow miss the part where NB investigated me? Therefore me scum = he's scum? So if you're going to vote very likely townies anyways, you could at least vote for the one that could produce a confirmed townie?

[gandalf5166]

Xite, can you please narrow your list of four possible kills tonight to three? I would like it very much if you could do that.

And now we've found the scum doctor.

[gandalf5166]

@Gandalf: If I successfully send you a magikarp will you accept that I am town? If not why? If that reason is because there is no indication of alignment put yourself in the mods shoes and go back to the first question.

No. It's bullshit, that's why.

[gandalf5166]

Nicol, are you sure that Gandalf is 100% town? As in, there's NO possible way for him to be scum in your eyes? Your investigation is guaranteed normal sanity, and there's no way your result could have been tampered with?

What's the point of insanity on a one-shot investigate? That's just bastard.

[gandalf5166]

Actually,

unvote

I'll see if he really has this role, then I'll go into speculation.

[gandalf5166]

Usually JOATs like that can only use each ability once.

[gandalf5166]

And nexuses take everything that targets them and use an RNG to determine who it actually targets.

[gandalf5166]

Actually,

unvote

I'll see if he really has this role, then I'll go into speculation.

Uhm.... wha? How will you do that?

He said he would target me again tonight.

[gandalf5166]

I think he should target someone else, like Jarti or someone that's not under a ton of speculation. Maybe espy should give a list like i did? Then the person can claim it.

But I'm kind of confirmed town >.>

[gandalf5166]

I doubt there's a mafia RB and a town one.

[gandalf5166]

Is this how everyone else feels, or are there those who believe this string of claims?

Could everyone list which claims they believe, find fishy, or outright don't believe?

Also, I'm not sure everyone's nameclaimed.

I think MBF is the only one who hasn't.

[gandalf5166]

You're going to look at everything else, too right?

Yeah, just didn't have time. Will do that in a sec though, if my mom doesn't make me get off.

[gandalf5166]

1. It's drmyshotty. I have seen him do some strange things.
2. Not really look at the balance. The fact that this wasn't advertised as bastard means should I prove my role it would also prove innocence.
3. Can't really make a comment on that. I made a choice and ran with it.
4. Stupid role.
5. The fact that I am now under scrutiny and have a purpose for the use of my role now.

Sigh.
1. Whatever. At least you're outright about it.
2. We'll agree to disagree.
3. But why? What did you do? Pick gandalf's name from a hat?
4. So?
5. I don't understand. Are you explaining a question about D/N1 with an example from D2 again?

I just can't put my finger on it. Something isn't right about you.

It's pretty much pseudo-claiming armour. Which is easy for scum to do and explain why they live to endgame.

Regardless, it compliments Lightning Rod from my perspective so I could the mod putting both in. I'm fine with the claim because of that.

Let's kill jimfinn.

Why?

@Gandalf:

@Gandalf: If I successfully send you a magikarp will you accept that I am town? If not why? If that reason is because there is no indication of alignment put yourself in the mods shoes and go back to the first question.

No. It's bullshit, that's why.

Why do you feel this way?

I just don't think that considering Espeo's play, there is any way he's town. I will let him "confirm" himself tonight though. And THEN I'll decide if it's a likely scum role. Because there's no point in speculating if he doesn't actually have the role.

I think he should target someone else, like Jarti or someone that's not under a ton of speculation. Maybe espy should give a list like i did? Then the person can claim it.

But I'm kind of confirmed town >.>

No.

Okay, so you think that me and NB are on a scumteam? You're funny.

OOh, that last post sounds desperate. Like there's some reason he needs to be kept alive until D2. Also, even if we believe DMSIS's claim, it really seems like it's more likely to be a scum role.

Really?

I now understand why he wanted to stay alive, and it makes me more likely to believe the claim, if not his alignment.

Yes, but if scum chose NOT to night kill, then it could be useful to scum, by confusing cops and such. And I'm going to claim, simply because it rather invalidates DMSIS's claim. I'm a roleblocker. So paradox would in fact result. Lynch lynch lynch lynch lynch.

Roleblocks don't work that way, sir.

Okay, if I roleblock and DMSIS activated his power on the same night, then I would be targeting him, which means he would be roleblocked, which means that I wouldn't be targeting him, which means that his ability would work, etc. I'm not sure how the mod planned on handling it >.>

I'm sorry, I figured that DMSIS had answered that question for me. The thing is, DMSIS has these little catch words he uses as scum. Misrep, OMGUS, active lurking, etc. Also, he votehops like a three year old on crack cocaine. If you look at his town games, he mostly just bandwagons and setup speculates. And then there's the line: "Trying to keep suspicion away from himself", which he hasn't used so far this game, but I'm sure it will come soon. In other words, if he's town, you'll be almost certain he's scum. When he's scum, you'll think he's scum, but then you'll decide that he's probably newb town.

And you lynched him anyways?

Where in this post do I say that I think he's town?

Trust me, vezo is town.

wtf?

Well, I was right, wasn't I? Meta FTW.

I don't like Nicol's claim.

Care to explain?

I could've claimed to have scanned bv last Night if I wanted.

?

Xite- you have to admit, he is more confirmed than most people here.

Except he's so weird...

Are you gonna be more specific than weird? This is the way I play as confirmed town, or are you referring to my play pre-scan?

***

Gandalf's play is weird, too...

[gandalf5166]

I believe the claims. I even believe Espeo's, for the most part. Nexus claim is a little out there to be fake.

[gandalf5166]

Damn. Wow. ITT, we learn that Prox is scum. He rules out everyone who has claimed and says we should choose who to lynch out of everyone who hasn't. Way to rolefish.

VOTE: Prox

[gandalf5166]

Look, Prox. Believe claim =/= believe town.

[gandalf5166]

Prox, any one of those claims could have been from scum. INCLUDING mine(if not for the fact that I'm confirmed) and possibly even NB's. If there were two scum teams of two each(possible in a twelve player game), a cop scan could be potentially useful to scum. Of course, there aren't enough kills, which also means hat he would have to be scummates with Xite. Unlikely, but possible. Hence why I'm considering NB confirmed. And thus me confirmed. Scum nexus is NOT hard to believe at all. Espeo, I'm withholding judgment on. Xite is possibly an SK, or maybe even scum who somehow knew that there were two scumteams and decided to turn it to her advantage. That one, again, is unlikely. So I would think SK, IF I thought she was scummy. As for me, there's not really any point in asking the question, since you know what the answer's going to be >.> But I could be scum, yes. Either a scum roleblocker, scum with a roleblocker partner, or scum fakeclaiming entirely.

[gandalf5166]

Prox, any one of those claims could have been from scum. INCLUDING mine(if not for the fact that I'm confirmed) and possibly even NB's. If there were two scum teams of two each(possible in a twelve player game), a cop scan could be potentially useful to scum. Of course, there aren't enough kills, which also means hat he would have to be scummates with Xite. Unlikely, but possible. Hence why I'm considering NB confirmed. And thus me confirmed. Scum nexus is NOT hard to believe at all. Espeo, I'm withholding judgment on. Xite is possibly an SK, or maybe even scum who somehow knew that there were two scumteams and decided to turn it to her advantage. That one, again, is unlikely. So I would think SK, IF I thought she was scummy. As for me, there's not really any point in asking the question, since you know what the answer's going to be >.> But I could be scum, yes. Either a scum roleblocker, scum with a roleblocker partner, or scum fakeclaiming entirely.

Wait so which one is it, am I an sk, or am I a vig?
If you're going to throw accusations, make sure they're clear plox

I said, I think you're town. Hence vig.

[gandalf5166]

...which don't match.

Gandalf, wtf?

The point was to show how completely pointless your speculation was.

[gandalf5166]

I really need to use [/sarcasm] tags more often :/

[gandalf5166]

In post 34, Gandalf states emphatically that it certainly couldn't hurt to perform a flavor-claim. This was almost immediately after Nicol had speculated that flavor could be related to role in this game, and seeing as how Gandalf's flavor was connected so strongly to his role (Wigglytuff is the evolution of the popular Jigglypuff, whose most famed ability is to sing people to sleep, IE roleblock), it seems odd that he would state such a thing. If Roleblocking Wigglytuff is a fakeclaim, he hasn't created it at this point.

In post 36, Gandalf states that he is sure that we have a doc if Xite is an important role. No roles or flavors have yet to be revealed at this point, and this statement is also WRONG, from a game balance standpoint. A really powerful role would be countered by an ABSENCE of a doctor.

In post 52, Gandalf calls NB out to full claim. After Xite had just fully claimed. On post 52.

On page 14, Drmy makes his Lightning Rod claim, and gandalf immediately sets into him, calling the role unbalanced, suicidal, conflicting, anti-town, and desperate, before attacking his meta. It's an attack of large magnitude for seemingly very little.

34: Well yes, but Wigglytuff's signature is NOT Lullaby. Jigglypuff's is. I figured that most of the roles had been made like that, just a little different from what would be expected.
36: I've already explained this. Would mafia potentially waste heir kill by killing a role which would almost certainly be protected?
52: I called him out to flavor claim, not full claim lol.
page 14: I set into him before that........ >.>

[gandalf5166]

Xite, removing himself from the list because he knows he is town is like defending yourself from a lynch by saying "My Role PM says I'm town".

[gandalf5166]

Oh, I get it. *hides in a corner*

[gandalf5166]

Why would I block Xite if I were scum? It would be incredibly obvious that I was scum, because there wouldn't be a second kill. Or at least, that would be what I would think, had I not managed to survive this long today. I'm actually incredibly surprised that I didn't get quick-lynched today.

[gandalf5166]

Why would I block Xite if I were scum? It would be incredibly obvious that I was scum, because there wouldn't be a second kill. Or at least, that would be what I would think, had I not managed to survive this long today. I'm actually incredibly surprised that I didn't get quick-lynched today.

why would the lack of a second kill make you look scummy?

Because Xite is a claimed vig, if her kill suddenly disappeared, the claimed RB would be the first suspect. Also, I have a question for you guys. If I had decided to roleblock Xite, how do you think I was going to keep myself from being lynched? Who would I have claimed to RB? I hadn't received the Magikarp message yet(not that I did, but I'm posting from that perspective), so how was I going to cover my ass?

[gandalf5166]

Espy, when does your magikarp message go through?

I would assume it went through at the same time as all night actions: at the end of the night.

[gandalf5166]

I claimed RB D1.

[gandalf5166]

Well yes, but when I roleblocked you, I hadn't yet gotten the PM about the fish. So what was I planning to do then? As a claimed PR, there's no way that I wouldn't have been asked to claim my target. So who was I going to claim to roleblock? TBH, Espeo is the obvious choice. I've been saying he's my biggest "suspect" since the beginning of the game practically. In other words, I don't think that the fact that I claimed to roleblock Espy is a tell at all. Town or scum.

[gandalf5166]

That's because I'm not bothering to act town, because I'm confirmed. I don't have to worry about being part of the crowd, so I can be more vocal. Like I've said, this is the way I play as confirmed town.

[gandalf5166]

I've been investigated and come up innocent on a cop result that could only be insane in an incredibly bastard setup. That's about as confirmed as you can get. He COULD be my scumbuddy, but that does that really look likely to you? Bah. Why am I defending myself. Let's try pressuring someone who might by some astronomical chance actually be scum, guys. What the hell happened to the Prox wagon?

[gandalf5166]

The thing is, I think nicol will probably be the NK tonight. Granted, scum will be confirming me, but they'll also be stopping him from using his other abilities, which could be very damaging.

[gandalf5166]

His abilities aren't all investigations, Espeo >.>

[gandalf5166]

Joat/inventor hybrid, yeah.

[gandalf5166]

Prox- that only encourages a massclaim, which is not a good thing for the town. too many PRs has been outed, already.

WAT HEI SED. But really, everyone's a powerrole in this game. I am 99.99% sure. We don't need any one else to tell everyone what power role they are. Scum nexus is more than possible, it's likely. So stop acting like you're confirmed town because you've claimed. It's just making you look even scummier.

[gandalf5166]

I don't think I've ever seen a town thief. Not saying they don't exist, I've just never seen one.

[gandalf5166]

Is that really how it is?

Fine, I'll decide who's scum.

Normally, I would think that since you know who all the scum are, you're the best person to do this, but considering your WC, you might be a little biased.

[gandalf5166]

Would it make sense to lynch a different suspect today and give me the chance to confirm one more player as town tonight, then lynch me tomorrow?

Thieves can't confirm anyone as town. They can confirm role, but not town in any sense of the word.

[gandalf5166]

Well, what I steal should confirm the player's role. What role could I steal from that would result in a role unlikely for scum to have?

Maybe they aren't lying about their role? Say I was Wigglytuff, Scum Roleblocker?

[gandalf5166]

That's why I don't want to target you - there's nothing that would indicate whether a roleblocker were town or scum - but both are plausible. In contrast, I could target a claimed Doc and on confirmation assume he were town (which obviously there won't be a claimed Doc, but you get the idea)

Oh. That makes sense.

[gandalf5166]

Not that I wanted to lynch you anyways though. GET SOME PROX VOTES PLOX?

[gandalf5166]

Xite, just...meh. It's like you've given up on scumhunting totally. Do you seriously that 31 pages of content can't find us a good lynch for the Day?

For today, yes I've given up, because it seems as though we have reached a stalemate that only a night phase will cure

This is scummy as hell. I excuse this kind of talk in newbie games, but not anywhere else. First thing I've seen from you though, so I'll hold off on the votage. And Prox, there was a case on you a while ago.

[gandalf5166]

Ok then.

Let's do an expiriment, then.

Living Players (10):
jimfinn
NicolBolas
Espeonage
gandalf5166
Prox
bv310
Jarti
Xite91
Switz
mikeburnfire

Living Players who Have Not Claimed(5/10):
jimfinn

NicolBolas
Espeonage
gandalf5166
Prox

bv310
Jarti

Xite91

Switz
mikeburnfire

Half the players ruled out.

Of the 5 remaining, who are scummiest?

And that's the plan for today. We can let another Night occur and gather from that, then worry about the claimers with this new info.

Almost Each role is confirmable. However, xite's lack of a vig kill means we have a scum roleblocker. Or an unspoken-for town RBer. Or a lie of a wizard-alias-user. Or two of the former.

Esp gives a magikarp to someone WHO IS MOST LIKELY TOWN. We shouldn't discuss who this is obviously. I just hope you use better discretion this time.
Nicol targets someone with an ability, and, if ignorant of what will occur, assumes that it will kill.
Xite targets one of the scummiest persons with her ability- we should be sure that they don't target the same person.

Gandalf's role is not confirmable.

Right, this was the case. Thanks for making me find it, I had actually forgotten exactly what we were lynching you for.

[gandalf5166]

Oh, nothing in particular. I mean, it's not scummy at all, now that I think about it. That post is so incredibly town, we should just consider you confirmed from here on out.

[gandalf5166]

Seriously, the scummiest players are those who have already claimed.

I'm up for a gandalf lynch. Is an attack necessary?

Yes, you're going to need a damn good attack to push a lynch on near-confirmed town.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, tiny factual error: Technically, Prox can be killed. Actions are randomized, but they could still randomly target him. Granted, they'd be more likely to kill themselves than Prox, but my OCD made me correct you there.

[gandalf5166]

Well, there are ten players. So you target Prox, and robo rolls a d10. That d10 could come up 5, thus causing the action to actually hit Prox.

[gandalf5166]

Well, there are ten players. So you target Prox, and robo rolls a d10. That d10 could come up 5, thus causing the action to actually hit Prox.

again, what? I'm fairly certain it's not randomized. Where did you come up with that?

That's the definition of a nexus >.>

[gandalf5166]

Hmm. Maybe Prox would like to clarify, cause that's not the way I've seen it used.

[gandalf5166]

I had this idea, but when I think aloud too much, I sound stupid/scummy. Let me think on this.

"I'm going to intentionally be non-transparent that way people won't lynch me". Seriously, guys, let's lynch this fucker.

[gandalf5166]

Oh wow, jim really is scum, isn't he? Anyone object to me putting him at L1? I don't think we're going to get much more out of this day, so

VOTE: jimfinn

[gandalf5166]

He's defending himself. His post HAS AtE in it, but he makes a valid point, and the AtE is really merited, considering. I personally can't imagine why Xite wants to vig MBF either.

[gandalf5166]

By merited, I mean that I see why he's frustrated. And plus, I was somewhat suspicious of your claim and active lurking already. I just figured you were better vig fodder.

[gandalf5166]

I'm starting to get really bad vibes from Jarti now that he's stopped lurking so hard. Possibly considering him for the lynch tomorrow, depending on the jim flip. I'll also most likely be roleblocking him.

[gandalf5166]

No, I'll roleblock you if he flips scum. In which case you might not have a partner. Plus, who's to decide I'm telling the truth? I said probably, and my decision could easily change. Also, godfather roleblocker? That's almost funny, it sounds so OP.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, got the magikarp. Content is gonna have to wait >.>

[gandalf5166]

No lynch is good. My vanillaless theory doesn't seem to work anymore.

[gandalf5166]

I had a theory that we were playing a vanillaless, but obviously, that doesn't work. Also, Xite, where was your vig last night? I may have to lynch you tomorrow. Of course, don't use it tonight, but I find it very suspicious that your kill has been gone every single night. BTW, I blocked Jarti last night.

VOTE: NL

[gandalf5166]

Why do we think I lied? Also, Xite is either very stupid, or lying scum. Not vigging in a situation where tomorrow is MyLo? I call bullshit.

VOTE: Xite

[gandalf5166]

That's what I was looking for- the complete contrast between xite's use of his role and his goals in the game.

And we have our lynch for the day.

vote xite

This sounded so much like a hammer post, I actually had to go back and check.

[gandalf5166]

Stop asking for cases that have already been provided.

[gandalf5166]

Reasons =/= good reasons

[gandalf5166]

Come now, Xite, we read your posts yet you don't read ours?

I DID read yours, but do you have any more on me other than "you didn't target anyone last night?"
Cuz that really isn't enough to lynch at MyLo if you think about it.

Yeah, catching someone lying about their role isn't enough to lynch in MyLo.

[gandalf5166]

If anyone brings Cherries Pecans and Cream, it's all mine.

[gandalf5166]

No, if we're going to NL, we're going to MC tomorrow. MCing then NLing is basically yelling out who the scum should kill.

[gandalf5166]

K. Then we NL now. MC then lynch Xite.

Sounds like a plan.

VOTE: NL

[gandalf5166]

Yes, but would you rather scum had more time to craft a fakeclaim, or that they knew exactly who to kill?

[gandalf5166]

No No

[gandalf5166]

I've got a sad feeling in my belly that Andrius is scum.

That or MBF is. Either way I'm sad.

[gandalf5166]

Lol. Jarti's scum, likely with Xite. Third scumbuddy is Prox or Espy, probably Prox.
1. Lynch Jarti
2. Lynch Xite
3. Lynch Prox
4. ???
5. PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!

[gandalf5166]

Also, how does a Pokedex control the Water Type? Also, I'm assuming you got Xite and Espy mixed up, MBF?

[gandalf5166]

Why would a pokedex control a person or a pokemon?

How the fuck would it control anything? We're already operating on the assumption that your flavor is absolutely retarded.

[gandalf5166]

Jarti didn't claim Pokedex. She claimed Ash a long time ago, remember? Her Pokedex is just for some reason the crux of her role.

[gandalf5166]

I do not have any reason. In fact, I can confirm I was not, since I did not recieve Espy's Magikarp.

[gandalf5166]

Is there any flavor as to why Missingno. is a redirector?

[gandalf5166]

rofl @ missingno. XD

So, what's the benefit behind getting a Magikarp? Anyone?

Nothing, other than that Espy insists it makes him confirmed town. It does no such thing. All it says is "You receive a Magikarp." Word for word. Doesn't even say who sent it. Which means Espy is role confirmed, not alignment confirmed.

[gandalf5166]

Probably, once we reach day 4, they evolve and he becomes a treestump that keeps his vote and becomes a JOAT KH mafia style, with unlimited shots and three actions per night. By the way, that's my new favorite role. Kind of like AGar's sig, but better.

[gandalf5166]

Why has NB's replacement not posted yet?

[gandalf5166]

/confirm Don't worry people I am now in. I haven't read anythiung yet, 39 pages may take some time but im here non the less. My first question is to the two no lynch voters and it's simple why? A no lynch favours Scum surely.

It's MyLo.

[gandalf5166]

But then, we did massclaim, so not a good idea anymore.

unvote

[gandalf5166]

MBF, you're making me sad. You said everything I wanted to say before I could. Really liking a Xite lynch now. Then Jarti tomorrow.

[gandalf5166]

Xite definitely. Her reclaim just doesn't fit with her actions. You don't try to get someone lynched based on your actions with a role you don't have. Unless you're scum.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah. He could be controlling you, but it doesn't make any sense. Maybe he's controlling the KI roles' power?

[gandalf5166]

Yes Snake, have you read the thread?

[gandalf5166]

There are only eight people alive. That means five for majority, not six. Also, I'm voting Xite. Although I guess if you're right and I'm not somehow,

VOTE: Xite

[gandalf5166]

Xite, it's hard to take you seriously when you switch your vote every post.

QFT. He's just flailing, somebody drop that hammer. Also, what's Prox doing?

[gandalf5166]

If Prox was scum, he wouldn't have bothered to post with the hammer. Possibly only two scum?

[gandalf5166]

As in, why would he bother with the "I have a bad feeling about this" part if he was scum(in a three scum team)? He would have just posted "VOTE: Xite GG"

[gandalf5166]

Yes, but MBF said that Xite was town and you were scum, which doesn't seem likely to me unless there are only two scum.
Where's Robo? This suspense is killing me. >.>

[gandalf5166]

I didn't roleblock you, MBF. Roleblocked Jarti. Maybe I blocked scum and Snake roleblocked you?

VOTE: Jarti

And no, I don't feel uncomfortable voting this fast on scum in LyLo.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, two things are missing: The scum kill and MBF's redirect. Therefore, there must be at least two roleblocks. Snake has claimed one, and I have claimed one. I know I didn't roleblock MBF, therefore Jarti must be the scum, and Prox must have redirected to MBF. Barring the possibility of Prox lying about being a Nexus.

[gandalf5166]

It's four to lynch. I have two votes on me. Jarti-scum disproves the no QH=scum faulty logic Jarti's spitting out. I have an innocent result on myself. Sure, I've been on every lynch so far. But that's just my playstyle, you can look at my meta if you want. I lynch scummy people. Shotty was half-policy, half-role. I was convinced he was scum, but I was also perfectly aware that that had nothing to do with his alignment, which is why I lynched him. Shotty should always be lynched before LyLo. jimfinn was acting scummy, Jarti was on that lynch too. Xite was actin scummy, Jarti was on that lynch too. I'm sure that if I colored my own name green, it would look bad for Jarti too. Unfortunately, I don't do VC analysis. DGB's VC analysis in Alphabet Mafia had me as a very low possibility of scum on the team I wasn't on, and 0% chance to be scum on the team I was on. Unfortunately, I got lynched anyways, but since then, I don't trust it. The point is, people have different playstyles. Some bus, some don't. VC analysis is just a handy tool for scum to manipulate. Also, don't you love how in 1038 he calls Espy a "brownie townie", and calls MBF possible scum, then in 1047 he says that MBF should really be colored green, and Espy is confirmed scum. With no in-between except for VC analysis. In other words, he realized that he was making it all but impossible for him to lynch two townies in succession because once I flipped town, nobody was ever going to lynch Andy or MBF. And of course he couldn't actually follow through on his buddy Prox's lynch. So he used VCA as a convenient excuse to flip his reads on their head. Also, remember the part where his role has had no effect on anyone whatsoever? So unless he's just a bastard role that doesn't actually do anything, he's a dirty dirty liar.

[gandalf5166]

You have seen my role work. I roleblocked Jarti, and THERE WAS NO KILL. And what, do you want me to build up a giant vault of times VCA has failed? Maybe you should try to show where it's worked instead? And I wasn't so much saying that VCA was useless all around, it's just rather useless against me. My voting patterns are different from most players'. And there are other players like me, which is why i don't use it.

[gandalf5166]

Jarti-Espy-Prox. Why would Snake be on there? I'm starting to suspect that we might be in a 10-2 setup though. The only reason I assumed 9-3 was because I thought it was vanillaless. And no, I don't think your speculation means anything. Maybe he's like a suped up ninja, where he can only turn on his ability every other night? There are plenty of possibilities as to why Jarti made the kill.

[gandalf5166]

Oh. Missed that. MBF would definitely be the worst lynch. The only situation where I'd be willing to lynch him was if there were only two scum and Jarti somehow flipped town. Because then he'd be confirmed scum. By the way, suggesting we lynch anyone other than me, Snake, or Jarti is stupid. Because one of us is scum(once again, assuming MBF is innocent until somehow proven guilty).

[gandalf5166]

Snake - Gandalf - Someone| in that order.

Don't be wishywashy in LyLo. Do you believe that it's a three-man scumteam? If so, just give us a third suspect.

[gandalf5166]

Acceptable answer. Just wanted to see what you'd say.

[gandalf5166]

If Prox were scum, do you really think his ability would be permanent? That just seems a little far-fetched. A scum that couldn't be targeted at all? Where's the balance in that? I think that him being ninja-esque is entirely reasonable. I guess you're right about the two-man scumteam though. Although, if we were working with a two-man, I would definitely drop Espy and actually consider Prox almost definitely scum. How else would scum counteract said abundance of power roles?

[gandalf5166]

Who says vezok was sane? And with a semi-godfather, it makes plenty of sense to me. And remember, he was softclaiming miller-type, not nexus. Which doesn't really seem like pro-town nexus behavior.

[gandalf5166]

He's a partial godfather. It's random though. He might redirect to town, or redirect to scum. But it's far more likely to redirect to town. Get it?

[gandalf5166]

VCA =/= "solid case"

[gandalf5166]

Ok I'll bite I'll go with Gandalf, but if thisngoes wrong....

Vote Gandalf

Erm....... This vote is terrible. You realize we're in LyLo, right?

[gandalf5166]

What.......... ?!?!?!?!?! I was pretty sure everyone had decided we were in LyLo. Also, GJ on lynching confirmed town. Nomming you guys for a scummy right now.
Also, I'll post the mod's flavor for him.
You guys all jumped on Wigglytuff, even though it had already been proven that he was sided with you.
Gandalf, Wigglytuff, Town Roleblocker, Lynched D4
Andrius, Eevee, VT, Endgamed
Espeonage(he's confirmed since he didn't hammer me), Magikarp Salesman, Town Useless Role, Endgamed
Prox(confirmed likewise), Scyther, Town Nexus, Endgamed
Jarti, ???, Scum ???, Wins
MBF, ???, Scum Redirector, Wins
SnakePlissen, Gengar, Scum Inventor(probably Focus Blast wasn't really a cop), Wins
Seriously. You guys are awesome.

[gandalf5166]

Actually, we killed vezok N1 because of his softclaim, but I guess MBF did too. We did kill Xite N2. Then all the other nights we spent trying to kill MBF >.> But I take no blame for that, as I was dead for all but the first time. We also roleblocked MBF most of those nights, and every night after Snake died.

[gandalf5166]

And BTW, Jarti's roleclaim WAS retarded. Like, really retarded. And when I said that I bussed D1, I totally didn't mean for it to affect this game, but I'm sort of glad it did.

I couldn't really bus a partner who wasn't there.

[gandalf5166]

Hey, blame Jarti, not me.

[gandalf5166]

The original reasoning was that we were afraid that MBF would redirect our kill to us.

[gandalf5166]

One thing: Jimfinn was as good as a cop. I mean, me and Jarti had GUNS. In fact, he was better than a cop, since he would have gotten a guilty on me.

Also, I did burst out laughing when I saw that even though I had killed the cop N1, I had been targeted completely randomly by the only cop investigation in the game.

What did each of Snake's abilities do?

[gandalf5166]

Oh, and I picked Mewtwo hoping to be a serial killer, so I resent MBF.

[gandalf5166]

I figured that those were the abilities, but what were each of the abilities? And which one of us did he kill?

[gandalf5166]

Which clearly, is a lot, since there was NO proof that you actually had the ability you claimed to have.

[gandalf5166]

Well, technically, if Jarti killed BV, it would have a 1/2 chance of actually hitting BV. But it would be retarded if it was just left up to chance like that.

[gandalf5166]

Eh. That seems retarded, but W/E

[gandalf5166]

Robo, if you had really determined it by probability like that, I would have shot you in the face.

[gandalf5166]

A well crafted scum WC says that they have to comprise at least half of the town with no killing roles left. Thus scum would win the first, and SK would win the second, BV, as scum is still killable.