Open 226: Big Love - Game over! Town wins!

[don_johnson]

Ur vote was entirely unoroginal. Too far into the game for an unoroginal piggyback.

[Switz]

So...why are we lagging and why aren't we lynching Zajnet?

And while Wacka vaguely makes sense as a possible scum--I haven't ISOed him yet--Muthaa's minimal posting doesn't seem any worse than that of other offenders, like Sanxion or smashbro_SSS.

Why Zajnet?

See previous post. In summary: Zajnet, like a lot of players, hasn't done much all game. But what he has done is active lurk, throw a ton of suspicion at Millar, who claimed to be one of the Lovers, without actually voting him, tries to make Don look scummy for "bussing" Chi, and then just hops on the SV lynch as soon as he realizes Millar's not going anywhere D2.

[Muthaa]

@ Sandman: Because he was protecting SV and :

Even if SV isn't scum, I believe wacka is one. His "sandman and (who ever it was) are lovers" is more of an attempt to confuse the doc than anything else.

@ mallowgeno: What makes me a scum?

[mallowgeno]

You're scum because you aren't contributing.

[DavidParker]

weak sauce reason!

i'm scum as well right then?

[Robocopter87]

Same here!

[don_johnson]

Mallowgeno is scum. Please lynch.

[Zajnet]

So by mallow's logic I'm scum as well.

VOTE: mallowgeno

(inb4 lurker vote hopping...)

We have room to spare since we've hit scum twice. If mallow flips town, don will be my #1 suspect.

[Robocopter87]

I can bandwagon too.

unvote vote Mallowgeno

[Zajnet]

And I will also have to take another look at Robo if mallow flips town, partly because of mallow's read on him, and partly for bandwagoning.

[Mr.Sandman]

So by mallow's logic I'm scum as well.

VOTE: mallowgeno

(inb4 lurker vote hopping...)

We have room to spare since we've hit scum twice. If mallow flips town, don will be my #1 suspect.

This post is scummy. The 'I'll jump on this wagon, then the person that started is scum if the person flips town' is a typical scum post

vote Zajnet

[mallowgeno]

Yeah well I've been saying robo is scum from the very beginning. If you're gonna lynch me, then do it. Don't talk, just do.

[Switz]

So by mallow's logic I'm scum as well.

VOTE: mallowgeno

(inb4 lurker vote hopping...)

We have room to spare since we've hit scum twice. If mallow flips town, don will be my #1 suspect.

Bandwagoning again. And trying to set up tomorrow's lynch already.

Look, Mallow is playing badly regardless of his alignment. But I no longer believe he's scum. There's no good reason why scum would be going after Robo so hard, and there's really no bad reason either. I don't understand why Mallow has an insatiable desire to go after Robo to the absolute exclusion of any other option, but I don't think he's scum.

If we have room to spare as Zajnet himself says, why are we wasting our time on Mallow, who has no credibility and can't manipulate town nearly as effectively as the scum who remain(s) can?

[DavidParker]

Zajnet and Enigma both seem likely scum to me.

[Sanxion]

meh, the bandwagoning is the most suspicious move of the day.

[DavidParker]

and thats hardly suspicious anyways

[mallowgeno]

I don't understand why Mallow has an insatiable desire to go after Robo to the absolute exclusion of any other option, but I don't think he's scum.

My replacee believed he was scum and so do I.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Day Three, vote Count #1

• Enigma (DavidParker) 1 L-7
  mallowgeno (don_johnson, Zajnet, Robocopter87) 3 L-5
  Muthaa (mallowgeno) 1 L-7
  Wacka Alpaca (Sanxion, Muthaa) 2 L-6
  Zajnet (Switz, Mr.Sandman) 2 L-6

Not voting: Enigma, millar13, smashbro_of_the_SSS, Wacka Alpaca, ZeroFang

With 14 alive, 8 votes are required for a lynch.

V/LA:

Enigma (Wednesday, 11th August), Wacka Alpaca (Sunday, 15th August), mallowgeno (Friday, 20th August)

Activity Check!

millar13, smashbro_of_the_SSS and ZeroFang have been prodded.

Prod Count:

smashbro_of_the_SSS - 2

chihuahua0, millar13, Muthaa, Pittbunny, Reverse Simplicity, Shattered Viewpoint, youngminii - 1

Deadline for Day Three is Monday, August 23rd at 8pm UK time.

Here's a vote count. Apologies for being MIA through illness, I should be cool now.

[Switz]

I don't understand why Mallow has an insatiable desire to go after Robo to the absolute exclusion of any other option, but I don't think he's scum.

My replacee believed he was scum and so do I.

Okay, well if we assume you and Xite are town, then your replacement had an evil mad scientist scheme in which he lied to the town in some bizarre attempt to get Millar lynched. So I'm not sure following his guidance is your best move here.

And are you really trying to get through this game without having to do any independent scumhunting of your own? I mean really. Robo literally cannot be the only scum left in this game, and you don't even have any good evidence to support your accusations that he's scum in the first place.

[Robocopter87]

Dizzy, I'm voting Mallowgeno.

Mod: Fixed.

[DavidParker]

Dear doommonkey (Enigma),
do you plan on voting today, for the first time ALL game?

[Mr.Sandman]

14 players alive, out which of which only 2 are scum. It feels like there's only about 5 players playing. Some players need to start contributing or we could end up lynching the contributors just because they're the ones that happen to be saying something

[ZeroFang]

I have quite a few cases to make, but I have to wake up early tomorrow so I'm not going to get to it tonight. Sorry for forgetting about you guys

I have to say though, Switz's case on Zajnet looks pretty strong to me at first glance.

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

Sorry. I've just gotten back from V/LA a day or two ago (Monday) and actually forgot i was in this game. I'll come back to this tomorrow when it is not 12:30 in the morning, but as of a quick reread, I would say that the case on Zajnet seems pretty solid, and I plan on reviewing it, but it makes a lot of sense.

Also, by my calculations, I think that lovers would best claim when we have eleven people left (assuming we don't lynch scum before then). That way, we can't get blindsided by losing two townies and losing because of it. If we get to the point where we have 4 town and 2 scum left, the lovers could be killed at night, and the game would end. I'd much rather let the game come down to regular old scumhunting than risk blindly losing due to a lover loss. So, i would suggest that lylo would include 3 town and 2 scum. The day before would have, say, the lovers killed at night and one townie during the day, so it would be 6 town, 2 scum. Same for the day before makes 9 town 2 scum, a total of 11 players left. Since that won't happen during the day without a no lynch or no kill at night (unlikely, since the doc is dead) it would have to come with 12 players alive, or, tomorrow, Day 4.

Looking back over this post, I like the idea even more, because, supposing a case where there is a 3 town and 2 scum lylo including two lovers, even if scum is lynched, the remaining scum can kill the lovers at night and suddenly it is 1 town 1 scum, and scum wins. We need to remember that lovers are also a liability, so I suggest claiming on Day 4. Of course, if we do lynch scum today, it would probably be able to wait till Day 5 or 6, but I'm not going to do the math at 12:30 in the morning.

[ZeroFang]

I agree with this post for the most part. I think it looks like you're trying too hard, but it might just be the fact that your case against him was about five times as long as the entirety of what he has written.

With that in mind... I'd have to point out four other players. Sanxion, millar, Muthaa, and mallow. All four of them are lurking/active lurking. I'm not so sure it'd be safe to policy lynch them all because it'd reduce our town by about ten guys, besides the fact that it would be generally bad play. Zaj is the most scummy out of the five of them by far. I'd be on board with lynching him.

SSS has come back (finally) after several fluff posts. All the insite he's given us is math for the future. Great. So don't scum hunt, and calculate our chances at winning when the town to scum ratio is 6 to 1. Cause that really helps us. I don't think he's scummy, but it sure is annoying >.> (SSS has been kicked from nearly every game I've played due to excessive lurking. If he was scum we wouldn't know one way or another)

DJ is playing his usual self. He's lurking a bit more than is usual for him, but as are we all. Town read so far. Posts like this confirm my townie read, not that I care for his style.

Wakka: I don't remember the game I played with him very well. I'm wishing I did. Posts like this make me lean towards a town read, but posts like this and this make me think that he's scum. Fairly scummy.

Enigma hasn't voted one this whole game as DP graciously pointed out. He's also been pretty heavily fence sitting, his defense being that we should consider multiple candidates for lynching. He's on my candidate list for sure. Strong scum read. In the beginning, he parroted Wacka's arguments and voted Sanxion for lurking. There were at least three other lurkers, listed above, that were lurking just as hard. Oh, and he said chi didn't strike him as scum. He seems very hesitant to point fingers or scum hunt at all, really.

Vote: Enigma

I know he's V/LA. I want him to speak as soon as he gets back. If he doesn't have a good explanation, this vote isn't coming off.