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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:06 am

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First Vote Count of Day One


DrippingGoofball (1) -- zoraster
Hoopla (1) -- Papa Zito

Not Voting (18) -- Amished, DrippingGoofball, ekiM, Ellibereth, Elmo, Herodotus, Hoopla, Kmd4390, mith, My Milked Eek, ooba, Plumegranate, populartajo, Rhinox, Slicey, SpyreX, VasudeVa, Zorblag


With 20 alive, 11 votes will be needed to lynch. Deadline: 25th of August, at 12:30 am US Central Time.
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:07 am

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Papa Zito wrote:no u

Plus it's not like this is a big surprise.
DGB made an anti-town move and then tried to shrug it off with "oh it's a gambit." She gets my vote for that, and she should get more votes for it.

Now you.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:14 am

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DGB is DGB.

Also Hoopla is Hoopla.

We should have a wagon race. Whoever fills up first wins!
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:22 am

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mith wrote:(Discussion on both of these can wait until day 1 is underway, but: Hoopla has been consistently anti-Janitor, yet while she claims to have thought DGB was obviously fake-claiming she remained silent while the Janitor was locked in. DrippingGoofball seems awfully certain that we have no actual Hiders, given that four players haven't claimed.)
Firstly, that is a good observation, mith! I'll do my best to satisfy your concerns. Here I go;

I plead temporary insanity.

I was dazzled by DGB's hider claim and didn't know how to respond. You must acknowledge that the odds of a hider being in the game and of all people, it landing on DGB seems slimmer than DGB having a go like she knows how.

Secondly, I am going to vote ooba, because he seems like a shady character.

Vote: ooba
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:47 am

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Papa Zito wrote:DGB is DGB.

Also Hoopla is Hoopla.

We should have a wagon race. Whoever fills up first wins!
This is banal crap. Play the game and at least explain what you mean by that.
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:36 am

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Papa Zito wrote:Plus it's not like this is a big surprise.
Why are you voting in that manner based on the events of Day 0 while you were basically completely uninterested in getting views and so on during it?

Hoopla, could you explain why the "lynch all claimed power roles" part of your plan was a good idea, or link to why? I don't think I ever saw an explanation, and I don't get it.

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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:18 am

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I have classified the players based on the following:
- If you suggested something original during D0, you're in the town list
- If you kept a low profile, you're in the scum list. Basically, it narrows down to if your play appears like you were afraid to express opinions strongly and ruffle a few feathers.
- Anybody who agreed with a massclaim gets into the town list
- Other reasons have been mentioned

Scum

1). Amished
3). ekiM
5). Elmo
- For "This is looking an awful lot like scum-you, no? You're getting all this from Day 0?"
- Can you give me meta where elli has posted a list like this before?
8). Kmd4390
12). Papa Zito
13). Plumegranate
15). Rhinox
- Did not contribute anything original but spent time defending Hoopla's plan. IMO, Hoopla's plan hurt town more than scum. Rhinox fits the bill as good bet for scum who hid behind another person's plan. Even if it turned out badly, Hoopla would get all the blame.
17). SpyreX
18). VasudeVa
- He actually guessed one hider in his first post. (2 Trackers, 1 vig, 1 hider). But apparently he comes back 7 hours later to choose something different. That's odd - I can attribute old scum coaching new scum VV about how hider is a unlikely choice for scum.
19). zoraster

Neutral

4). Ellibereth
- Minus points for keeping low profile during role selection
- Plus points for actually making a scumhunting list
9). mith
14). populartajo
- "In other news, Hoopla, Rhinox, Hero, Zorblag and Spyrex are all very likely town."

Town

2). DrippingGoofball
6). Herodotus *
7). Hoopla
10). My Milked Eek
16). Slicey
20). Zorblag

Vote: Rhinox


While populartajo is in the neutral list, a scum Rhinox flip would put him as strong potential scumbuddy.
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:25 am

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I'm not sure I see the connection between your criteria and where people are located, ooba. I'd love to hear how you square DGB with being town, even if you just mechanically try to apply those criteria you listed.
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:32 am

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zoraster wrote:I'm not sure I see the connection between your criteria and where people are located, ooba. I'd love to hear how you square DGB with being town, even if you just mechanically try to apply those criteria you listed.
Forgot to add - I cannot see scum ever gambitting like that ... Puts a lot of pressure on her at the start of the game. The only probable trade-off is that Janitor was hammered. In fact if I was scum, I would have probably lurked it out until Assassin was hammered too and then declared gambit at start of D1 to increase payoffs of move.
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:48 am

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ooba wrote:
zoraster wrote:I'm not sure I see the connection between your criteria and where people are located, ooba. I'd love to hear how you square DGB with being town, even if you just mechanically try to apply those criteria you listed.
Forgot to add - I cannot see scum ever gambitting like that ... Puts a lot of pressure on her at the start of the game. The only probable trade-off is that Janitor was hammered. In fact if I was scum, I would have probably lurked it out until Assassin was hammered too and then declared gambit at start of D1 to increase payoffs of move.
She would. In fact, the "gambit" to show your town seems very DGB to me. In fact, it seems engineered to do just that. There was little to no town gain in what she did, even theoretically. Yet it came at an obvious price. But by doing the fake gambit, she gets town points because she's pretty confident people will take it the way you do.

anyway, my question was still about your criteria to your actual selections. They seem to be not so related.
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:14 am

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zoraster wrote:She would. In fact, the "gambit" to show your town seems very DGB to me. In fact, it seems engineered to do just that. There was little to no town gain in what she did, even theoretically. Yet it came at an obvious price. But by doing the fake gambit, she gets town points because she's pretty confident people will take it the way you do.

anyway, my question was still about your criteria to your actual selections. They seem to be not so related.
Not only are you dispensing from scum hunting announcing right out of the gate that you'll be tunneling on me, but you're also trying to make sure I don't hunt scum.

FAIL

Caught you

DIE SCUM DIE

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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:23 am

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Elmo wrote:Why are you voting in that manner based on the events of Day 0 while you were basically completely uninterested in getting views and so on during it?
I'm voting Hoopla cuz she's scum. Zoraster's pretty upset about it too, look how this is paying dividends already.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:23 am

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Vote: zoraster


Also, Hoopla's cake-y avi looks awesome with THC. Fooled me for around 3 seconds.
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:31 am

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HEY OOBA
BY YOUR CRITERIA WHY ISN'T MITH IN THE TOWN LIST PART?
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:36 am

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Hoopla: Now that you've had time to get over being dazzled, what do you think of DGB's action (and the response to it)?
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:37 am

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I hate lol, reactions a lot.

HOWEVER, DGB had an apparent method and things she was looking for which makes that whole scenario just a teensy bit different.

That doesn't make zor scum anymore than DGB though.

But FINALLY I can do this:

Unvote, Vote: Hero


The switch from lets massclaim to massclaiming is bad as a function of the snipes with mith is bad. The push for assassin/rolecop under very, very weak logic is extra bad. Add in a dash of secret gut reasons (TM) and we've got us a stew.
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:55 am

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@Ooba: My plan was better and different than Hoopla's.
Ooba wrote:- Anybody who agreed with a massclaim gets into the town list
Why?
Ooba wrote:- If you kept a low profile, you're in the scum list. Basically, it narrows down to if your play appears like you were afraid to express opinions strongly and ruffle a few feathers.
Going by posts alone, even papa zito had more posts during D0 than you did and he wanted nothing to do with the role speculating. How do you defend that you yourself were not trying to keep a low profile?
Ooba wrote:- If you suggested something original during D0, you're in the town list
Did you suggest anything original? Can't see anything in your iso.
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:57 am

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Rhinox is ringing town - loud and clear. Just sayin'
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:00 am

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Also, anyone that beats me to the earliest town vs. scum list is town. Bravo ooba.
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:02 am

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UPDATEDDDDDDD

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PEOPLE LEFT
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:04 am

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Elli is town, too. I only disagree with mith in this list - not hugely scummy, but belongs in "people left."
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:05 am

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Also, KMD and Vas are still a little iffy for me. I need MOAR to judge.
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:06 am

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Hoopla wrote:It was pretty obvious you were faking.
How could you tell. >.>
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:28 am

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Vote:KMD4390


Not around at D0 deadline, and last to hider claim. Also, didn't hider claim in #350, even though he surely read #348 and #349 before posting. Prediction: still considering whether scum should fake claim hider in the QT.
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:41 am

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4 u elmo
mith wrote:Hoopla: Now that you've had time to get over being dazzled, what do you think of DGB's action (and the response to it)?
I'm still relatively dazzled to be honest. I am still learning how to read DGB, because I failed my education the first time.

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