Last Will Mafia II (Over)

[Xite91]

EBWOP
Having checked 2x I think hes at 8/12

[Ythan]

Twomz was alive last night. I doubt he was killed and blocked.

[Xite91]

k makes sense

[Jahudo]

EBWOP
Having checked 2x I think hes at 8/12

Ok, I saw we had 18 players but forgot the threshold would be higher because of the extra votes.

Vote: Richard

[Chronopie]

CPR-Dco protects a target, when the traget would be NK'd. Else, CPR-Doc kills target. rite?

So if Ythan used his one-shot kill on Millar, then Richard didn't use his ability. At all. Which goes against what he claimed.

VOTE: Richard

[animorpherv1]

One-shot doc.

Another inventor?

Well, it's probable, IMO.

Maybe scum-based one, being why you got it maybe?

More likley scum, yes.

What's your opinion on it?

If this person is town, there were much better choices. If this person was scum, well, I'm not going to use it untill I egt an OK on who the town wants me to use it on.

Aloso, I'm up for a Richard lynch.

vote;Richard

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

RichardGHP (11) - Ythan, Locke Lamora, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Xite91, jahudo, Chronopie, animorpherv1
Super Smash Bros. Fan (2) - Amished, rhinox
animorpherv1 (1) - Magua

Not Voting (8) - holycon, Plum, Battosuai, nachomamma8, Charlie, kmd4390, MicelSableheart, RichardGHP

With 23 votes in play it takes 12 to lynch

[animorpherv1]

@mod; You have me as not voting and voting Richard.

~fixed

Also,

unvote

to avoid the quickhammer. Had no idea that was L-1.

[Amished]

lol; richard went after Millar, eh? With Ythan's claiming of a shot on Richard; millar should've been alive.

{insert intent to vote richard here}

@Richard: You tell me why scum would want to roleblock somebody that was not going to kill one of their members. Though I doubt it really matters what you answer here..

[RichardGHP]

I reaffirm my initial statement which explains last night's occurences: One of Ythan or myself was roleblocked.

[Magua]

I don't want the day to end until the replacements have caught up and made some statements, so I'm not voting yet, but I don't see Richard getting roleblocked. Killed yes, roleblocked no. I thought the situation was good before Ythan claimed, but between the possibility of Richard lying, Ythan lying, or one of the two actually being roleblocked, I think Richard is guiltier by far.

Also, Richard, if you think that Ythan is telling the truth (that both of you tried to kill millar, and one of you was roleblocked) why are you voting him?

[RichardGHP]

I'm not voting for him.

[RichardGHP]

FoS Magua

[Plum]

Well, it seems like an honest mistake on Magua's part, given that you're listed as voting Ythan. I assume that it's a Mod error.

~corrected

[Ythan]

And the FoS seems a bit heavy handed.

[Kmd4390]

I don't understand why TownYthan would possibly one-shot kill millar when claimed CPR doc Richard was being pushed to "protect" millar. It makes no sense.

Also, Richard is so obvtown and I predict 2-3 scum on his wagon right now.

[Locke Lamora]

If Ythan was blocked, wouldn't he be told that he still has his kill? Ythan, can you clarify whether or not you get to keep your kill if your action is blocked?

[Amished]

Let's rehash, shall we KMD?

millar died last night.
Richard (claimed CPR doc, saves person if they're targeted for a kill, otherwise kills them) claims to have targeted millar.
Ythan (who made it obvious yesterday that twomz gave him something) claims to have used a 1-shot vig kill on millar.

SO: If both of them are telling the truth, the only way is if one of them was to be blocked.
However, you (Richard or KMD) haven't given me any logical reason that the scum would roleblock a killing role that wasn't going after them. Locke's question is a damn good one as well.

Otherwise it's pretty clear that I trust Ythan a lot more than I trust Richard. Ythan's claim overall makes a ton more sense than Richard's.

[Rhinox]

One-shot doc.

Another inventor?
Maybe scum-based one, being why you got it maybe?
What's your opinion on it?

Ya know... just because Twomzy was killed last night, doesn't mean he couldn't have sent out another role before he was killed (unless you know something I don't, such as him being roleblocked as well).

You're so dumb sometimes. Just sayin

SO: If both of them are telling the truth, the only way is if one of them was to be blocked.
However, you (Richard or KMD) haven't given me any logical reason that the scum would roleblock a killing role that wasn't going after them.

There are 3 answers to this question:

1) Blocking Richard could influence the town to lynch him.

2) Preventing millar's death increases the likliness that he eventually gets lynched and the town loses a day phase (until the flip, scum had no reason to believe millar was lying about his BP claim).

3) Most likely, scum did not know who Ythan was going to kill, but they probably would have assumed Ythan would not kill millar if he expected that Richard would target millar, meaning Ythan could potentially kill scum so was blocked.

And actually 4) if scum would have predicted both would target millar, blocking 1 leads to the possibility of both players being lynched.

One thing is bugging me though... if scum had a roleblocker, it probably would have made sense to block Twomz N1, no? Especially if they weren't going to kill him N1.

[Kmd4390]

Amished, there is still the chance that Ythan didn't use his kill at all. Don't assume that I believe both of them to be telling the truth. I

could

, however, see scum blocking Richard just to stop millar from dying and make him an easy lynch today (this only applies if Ythan is town). They could also have blocked Ythan knowing that he had the one-shot kill.

Also, Ythan hasn't claimed at all. All we have is that Twomz gave him a one-shot kill. This says NOTHING at all about Ythan's alignment.

[Amished]

@Rhinox: Assuming Richard-town/Ythan-town:

1) A single kill night would lend credence to the "richard-roleblocked" happenings. There were 3 kills a night in LWI for the most part (until N3 when I was vigged and killed by the other mafia). This would most likely save him a day.

2) I didn't see much in the way of millar-hate other that knowing that he wasn't contributing. With the claim I believed he was town and doubtful that I would've lined him up to be lynched pretty much at any time. Course, I don't think that far ahead typically but that's just me.

3) This is a decent point, which is why I'm waiting on Ythan to confirm/deny LL's point about if it's a one-shot and he was blocked; he should get it back.

4) lol. This flies right in the face of your #1; letting them both go (if that was even possible to be predicted (which I don't believe it would be; iirc Ythan didn't say anything about millar, but that's based on my shoddy memory)) both casts Richard in huge suspicion, directing discussion away from scums (good for them), and wastes another pro-town kill night (technically 2, since Ythan would lose his 1-shot and Richard could not then kill in a pro-town manner on N2; making him wait til N3 or even get lynched)

@KMD: What? You show me anything else that Ythan did that was scummy (I don't think he was on your previous scum lists either) that would lend credence to your "ythan-scum-fakeclaiming" theory. Ythan had not pinged my scumdar at all this game, which is quite a feat. I have no reason to disbelieve him from his previous actions nor his claimed actions.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, Charlie is now confirmed town.

Scum are:
Animorph
Amished
Pittbunny

Ythan

Twomz
Richard

Let's lynch one of them. I don't care which one.

Note:Obviously Twomz no longer belongs on this list. Probably not Richard either.

[holycon]

KMD Twomz was inverter he said he made ythan vig I believe so that confirms ythan doesn't it

I believe Ythan way more the i believe Richard

[Kmd4390]

holycon, do you think that if Ythan were scum, Twomz would have been told "no, Ythan is scum. Pick someone else"? No. It doesn't work that way. An inventor can still unknowingly give to scum.

[Kmd4390]

To be clear, it can be 99.9% confirmed that Ythan DID RECIEVE a one-shot kill (the .1% being the off chance that either Twomz lied as town or was roleblocked and Ythan lied about receiving the kill, neither of which being likely at all), BUT, it can NOT be confirmed that through this series of events Ythan is town.