Mysterio wrote:Narsis is obviously jumping on the bandwagon. Even after being pressed, he has failed to give any reasoning for his vote on me. In post
#197, he simply repeats yet again that he found me to be more scummy than anyone else. He's clearly appealing to the consensus that built up against me without bothering to actually explain his vote at all. There is also VasudeVa who is also bandwagoning. He jumped on the bandwagon against me, but then switched his vote to Narsis without explaining it at all. He then admits to wanting a bandwagon to form against Narsis in post
#186. Not sure how much more transparent that vote could possibly be. You also have to wonder why he decided to vote for me, if he was simply going to change his vote to someone else when I was at L-1.
Mysterio, please take a stance! do you think bandwagoning is scummy or not?
first you say Narsis jumping on your wagon is scummy.
then you say VasudeVa is scummy for jumping on your wagon.
then you say VasudeVa is scummy for jumping on Narsis' wagon.
And then YOU jump on Narsis' wagon (even if you didn't vote, I still consider your attack a bandwagonjump).
this looks to me like accusing other players for doing something and then proceed to do THE SAME THING shortly after...
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I really don't like the Narsis-wagon that is being formed...
looking over the attacks on him
let's take a quick look at the cases against him:
Thor665
this are Thor's post on Narsis
Thor665 wrote:@Narsis - would love to see a bit of commentary from you about your current top suspect.
Thor665 wrote:@Narsis - Was it post 138 or post 142 that made you vote for him?
Thor665 wrote:Or vote FakeGod or Narsis - I see win in those wagons and support their lynch.
Thor665 wrote:You don't see the blatant scum energy flinging from your pores? It got on my face and I wiped it off and saw my napkin was covered in win...*liquid* win. (that and your entrance self vote, you claimed "trap" that revealed a null tell (whoopee) and then you call everyone null as far as reads go and sort of gently drift onto the big wagon of the moment...well, all of that and the napkin - the case is mostly about the napkin)
Who should I be suspecting if not you?
Thor665 wrote:Also, when I wrote out the case on Narsis early I realized how amazingly great it was.
Unvote: FakeGod
Vote: Narsis
I really don't see much of a case here... self-vote is more often than not a town-read, at worst it's a null-tell... in the few games I've played, I remember only town-aligned self-votes
that "trap"... well, I did something similar too in one game (can't link, since it's ongoing)... so it's really nothing...
having null-tells all around on the first few pages isn't uncommon...
I think he provided a
decent reasoning for voting Mysterio...
the rest is nothing...
Budja:
Budja wrote:unvote, vote Narsis
, commented early, voted later.
this is the point where he votes for Narsis saying he already commented on him... looking through his ISO I didn't find any mention of Narsis...
Budja wrote:Glad the Narsis wagon is building steam. Thor's posting is good posting.
the only explanation (which comes
after
saying "commented early, voted later") for the vote is this post... and I don't see any contribution at all.
what exactly about Thor is "good posting"? the napkin thing?
Plum:
Plum wrote:UNVOTE: jimfinn
VOTE: Narsis
Attempts to be casual, jokey; ignores everything that's gone on, even the chance to acknowledge that stuff has happened for a complete nothing. He doesn't even end up with a vote on anyone.
what's the difference between attempting to be casual, jokey and actually being it? if you are referring to the self-vote, as I already said... it's an absolute null-tell
is it scummy not to vote in the beginning of the game?
this is your whole case on him...
VasudeVa:
VasudeVa wrote:Vote: Narsis
well, that isn't much of a reasoning, is it?
VasudeVa wrote:I was voting for you, and now Narsis, in order to gather information about your alignment. Some pressure is needed to properly squeeze out a player's alignment, and I've been abusing my vote for that purpose. Bandwagoning is a legitimate strategy D1 as it is a good way to gather information. There is a way to differentiate scum-bandwagoning from Town-wagoning but that's a story for another day~
I think this reasoning is ok for voting... but it still isn't a case...
and as jimfinn already stated, how do you differentiate scum-bandwagoning from Town-wagoning...
SIDENOTE: for now you go back on my "about-null-tell-pile" for now, but I still expect a good answer to that question
Conclusion:
the Narsis wagon is a bad wagon... Mysterio's is much better