To be honest, I wasn't very invested at the time and wasn't fully aware of what the consequences were for each specific outcome of a Hider claim. I thought 'not roleblocker' was the only option that would have happened. Why didn't we lock in Assassin if we had a Hider, because couldn't she only jump three possible PR's now?ekiM wrote: DGB, Hoopla. What response were you expecting if DBG were believed by most? No vote switching? We were pretty damn close to deadline, what did you think was going to happen, precisely?
I did suspect her back then. In fact, take a look at post 0 in my iso. However, Day 0 was Boring Mechanics Day.Elmo wrote:Let's restate. You think she's scum, clearly voting her is fine, but that is based on things that happened in Day 0; so you must have suspected her back then, but didn't question or pressure her, in order to get good info for later. To me, it looks a little like you didn't actually do anything until Day 1, where you're sort-of-required to throw a vote out. Do you see my view?
Papa Zito be unable to read Troll in a reliable way. Papa Zito finds him be quite capable of masking true intent while appearing as a paragon of towniness.mith wrote:Papa Zito, Troll: You two have hydra'd together several times. I'd be interested in your current reads on each other
I find them crippling. What was that one game... I think it was Plum's, where you'd lynch people but they wouldn't flip right away, and you'd have to vote them again to make them flip. It was absolutely maddening.Troll wrote:@Papa Zito, what be your opinion about games without alignment reveals? (Mind you, Troll believes Troll knows the answer to that but would prefer that you be the one who shares it now.) What made you pick janitor as one of the two roles you would like to give scum?
Haha look at this.Hoopla wrote:Oh wait, how am I missing out on the KMD wagon?
Duh.
Vote: KMD
Eek is prob town.My Milked Eek wrote:Why I do not like one hider claim:
There's absolutely no certainty that we have a hider. I cannot imagine what benefits one could see that are not in a massclaim. In fact one of the biggest disadvantages imo is the uncertainty of the claim. If we had massclaimed before assigning the scum roles we would have gotten more certainty. And now that there is one hider claim and not two or none, the likelihood of a fakeclaim lies higher. Was the hider against a massclaim?
My entire scumlist there tourned out to be the whole third party team system >.>Troll wrote: @Elmo, Troll's experience with Ellibereth as town be that him puts too many town on his suspicion lists then as well (Pledge of Allegiance, for example) for reasons that no be particularly good (or transparent) and that him does a relatively poor job of re-examining.
Acccctuuallly I'm more than happy to disregard that kind of garbagio too. I don't need town points. I need blood, and the right kind. That's it.@Spy:
Just because you don't use meta as a basis for deciding your town/scum reads doesn't mean you wouldn't be happy with others saying "Spyrex is doing what he would do as town here."
I can't help you regarding your perception of a change in tone. I'm aware of neither the details of the basis for this, nor any reason at all why you would expect scum would change their tone and town wouldn't. Normally I'd point you back to the MD thread in which we commented on this, but I don't see any point to that here.
Good point about the janitor - I suppose I don't have any defense for that really, other than I didn't think about the consequences. How do I feel? It makes me feel wary, because it seems like the sort of tell for you that is strong enough to direct a lot of your attention to me today. And I want to stop that, because it will be a mutual waste of time if you're town, but I don't know how to get out of that hole.mith wrote: Hoopla: I'm reasonably confident you can work out why the Janitor got hammered by looking through the posts between DGB's claim and retraction (Hint: What do Janitor/Assassin and Janitor/Rolecop have in common?). I also find it very hard to believe that you saw DGB's claim and thought it was clearly fake, but didn't notice that Janitor was climbing in the vote count. I think you're lying scum and I want to lynch you. How does that make you feel?
This isnt a valid response.VasudeVa wrote:Tajo, why do you know about my meta/asking about it? I have never played with you before.
Thx Flay. At least one of these guys is scum.Mr. Flay wrote:I thought you people WANTED to play together?(it's me, isn't it, doing the job you hired Patrick for...)
Prodding DGB,Elmo, KMD,Plumegranate, Rhinox, and zoroaster for falling behind activity guidelines.
Slicey has a small grace period to his prod, due to weekend V/LA. Elmo and Plumegranate get a bye due to Caffwagon.
Yeah, my observation was that he had weak but vaguely understandable reasons for his reads; when he was in Teleportation, it seemed to be more "it's tactically nice to consider ___ town, so I do". I think the latter is more likely at the moment.Zorblag wrote:@Elmo, Troll's experience with Ellibereth as town be that him puts too many town on his suspicion lists then as well (Pledge of Allegiance, for example) for reasons that no be particularly good (or transparent) and that him does a relatively poor job of re-examining.
This is not an explanation for not pressuring someone you suspect; why didn't you?Papa Zito wrote:I did suspect her back then. In fact, take a look at post 0 in my iso. However, Day 0 was Boring Mechanics Day.
Exactly or at least one? Why? I don't remember you taking this position before.populartajo wrote:Thx Flay. At least one of these guys is scum.
