Mini 1012: Mafia In Soraville (Game Over!)

[ready2rock]

UNVOTE: Twornz
VOTE: Twomz

[Twomz]

AtE: it just seemed like you were trying to say that you were someone that played similar to him to please him and make him suspect you less. I could see those posts coming from town or scum though.

The day was dragging out on page 9? That's when you first brought up hammering to end the day.

Lack of posting would 'drag out' the game, even at a low page count >.>

I don't think Jack has posted that much more today, and if he has, it's only because he isn't on V/LA.

It felt like he picked up his posting to me /shrug.

I know what you were trying to do with your active lurking, but it wasn't the only time you did that.

"So, I'll just wait for a bandwagon to build and then hammer to end the day. No one really seems to care that much."

Lot's of game theory posts instead of content posts.

Par for the course Day 1 sadly .

Implying that because no one else is doing much, you don't need to do much either.

To an extent, I'm always like that day 1. I need information to scumhunt and if I don't have any then meh, I'm pretty useless.

On claims: "If y'all get something better than 'man, twomz is scummy, let's wagon him' I might be tempted to claim." ~ post 632
"I wonder if a claim from me would nail DH into a coffin or not?" ~ post 848.

I thought a claim from me would get the votes off of me and onto DH (no, I don't actually want to claim, but I thought it would help end the day). The whole purpose of a wagon imo is to get the person to claim... why is that suspicious?

m looks a lot like rn. He called me ready2roll.

[ready2rock]

-I'm not saying that comparing you this game to how you usually play day 1 is scummy. I did that myself day 1 and am in the same boat as you in that situation. You seemed to not want to try because no one else is trying, which is like a child saying "he started it".
-A claim is not the only reason to wagon. It's not the reason I joined your wagon.

[InflatablePie]

On Twomz: I've had my eye on him for a while. He's been kind of lurky and fading in to the background, which is not scummy in and of itself (nulltell really) and has made odd posts like where he says he'll hammer whoever gets to L-1. And this post that I don't think r2r brought up, where he basically says he didn't want to be on what he thought would be the major wagon. Sketchy, much?

The one thing that really bugs me though, is the fact that once someone starts suspecting him (r2r), he rushes in to defend himself. When defending yourself so strongly is the most content you've put into any posts in the game, something's up.

Vote: Twomz

Since we haven't had votals in a few pages, I believe this leaves us with something like:

[3] InflatablePie: ortiz1193, esuriospiritus, Friend
[3] Twomz: Sebguer, r2r, InflatablePie
[2] esuriospiritus: Twomz, Jack
[2] Kov: Haschel Cedricson, TheLonging

But we should wait for the official VC because I fail at math.

[Twomz]

I'm defending myself against r2r because he's actually posting stuff for me to defend myself against. I've commented on people attacking me throughout the game, it's just more obvious at the moment.

[sorasgoof]

Day 2 Vote Totals

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Twomz

, page 45.

[3] Twomz:

Sebguer, ready2rock, InflatablePie [L-3]

[3] InflatablePie:

ortiz1193, esuriospiritus, Friend [L-3]

[2] esuriospiritus:

Twomz, Jack [L-4]

[1] Sebguer:

Haschel Cedricson[L-5]

[1] ready2rock:

TheLonging [L-5]

[0/5] No Lynch:

None

[0/5] Deadline Extension:

None

Not Voting:

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[Friend]

Hi I'm here, can someone give me a tl;dr of the last 4 pages?

[ortiz1193]

We're deciding if Pie or Twomz would be the better lynch.

[Sebguer]

Last 4 pages:

Several people: Twomz is probably scum.

Twomz: No I'm not!

R2r: TwoRnz is scum.

Me: You mean TwoMz?

R2r: >_> yes.

[Friend]

Whoa who are you?

[Sebguer]

Shit-Kov's replacement.

[Friend]

Oh yeah. I just read the other pages. Thank god we have someone active and apparently more intelligent in that slot.

Eh...IP vs. Twomz?

vote: Twomz

That's my call. He's just been so...I'm not sure what the word is. Passive? Reactive? Non-assertive?

As for the neighbors, I'm fairly confident esurio is town, and ortiz is townier than others.

I still am pretty sure Haschel is scum but no one wants to help wagon him with me

[Sebguer]

I don't know why he's still got his vote on me- I think it's rather suspicious that he went after someone who was clearly not in the game at the moment. Opportunistic, at the least.

He hasn't posted since I have, either.

[TheLonging]

Yes yes as much as I want to lynch Twomz I'd rather lynch people who are likely to RB me, despite the fact that I may have lied about my claim and created a WIFOM pool.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I don't know why he's still got his vote on me- I think it's rather suspicious that he went after someone who was clearly not in the game at the moment. Opportunistic, at the least.

He hasn't posted since I have, either.

Way to answer your own question in your second paragraph. Also, I was voting Kov at the end of Day 1, and I voted for Kov at the start of Day 2 before it was announced that he was being replaced. That's hardly opportunistic.

At any rate, your posts are good. Of course, that doesn't make Kov's posts less scummy. I'll unvote you for now, but I'll be watching you like a hawk.

Unvote: Kov/Sebguer

Yes yes as much as I want to lynch Twomz I'd rather lynch people who are likely to RB me, despite the fact that I may have lied about my claim and created a WIFOM pool.

This is the stupidest thing I've read today, and I was reading YouTube comments earlier. This combined with the improbability of your claim, the "voting me for the wrong reasons" thing, your completely unwarrented set-up speculation, your

a priori

assumption of a roleblocker which conveniently has only been confirmed by you to exist, and your play in general yesterday makes me want to vote for you. Everybody else: is there any chance of me convincing you to lynch TL today?

[ready2rock]

Not unless you post a really good case, especially since he claimed tracker.

[TheLonging]

hey Hac: I fakeclaimed cop in SHM3 which I linked before, and guess what? I'm WIFOMing. I'm letting the other PR's not get RB'd, and if I'm a real PR, at least the others will be saved. If I'm VT, then I'm letting the PR's go on smoothly.

Hey Hac, guess what? There are PR's in this game. Do you think there is not a roleblocker?

[TheLonging]

I flipped town there btw, and I flipped town in all other games where I gambited. Wanna meta me?

[Sebguer]

It would be more likely to lynch you, Haschel. Especially since you continued to vote for Kov after being told he was being replaced, and defended it as "oh but whoever comes back will just say he doesn't know why kov posted blah blah blah".

Also anyone who reads youtube comments is scum, even if I don't mean it in the sense of the game.

Preview Edit: Though, TL, please stop defending yourself via meta, because it's making me go

[Haschel Cedricson]

hey Hac: I fakeclaimed cop in SHM3 which I linked before, and guess what? I'm WIFOMing. I'm letting the other PR's not get RB'd, and if I'm a real PR, at least the others will be saved. If I'm VT, then I'm letting the PR's go on smoothly.

Hey Hac, guess what? There are PR's in this game. Do you think there is not a roleblocker?

There could be, but the majority of the games I've played do not have one. Like I said, for you to treat it as a 100% certainty is unsettling.

Also, this "WIFOMing" you're claiming to be doing isn't nearly as effective as you think it is. If the Mafia do not have a roleblocker, then you've already told them that you're not really a powerrole. If there is a roleblocker and they chose to block Fugi last night, then you've already told them that you're not really a powerrole. If you are a tracker, then with the current number of powerroles revealed/claimed any Mafia roleblocker would certainly target you anyways. The only thing your quote about WIFOMing does is provide you a way to deny your earlier claim when you inevitably fail to get a tracking result every night, and that's exactly how it reads.

[Haschel Cedricson]

EBOWP: As long as we're discussing meta, I've pushed for lynching people before they get replaced before when the disappearing player was sufficiently scummy. What now?

[TheLonging]

Has: That last part is nothing. Because I actually don't understand what you were saying. Can you rephrase that?

Also I WAS ROLEBLOCKED. sorasgoof told me I was roleblocked. I know his MOD META, he told me I was roleblocked. Also you don't know how I roll. And what you said is what I'm trying to achieve with the WIFOM. There's a few iffy spots I was working on. I am a tracker. If you want to believe me, fine. The mafia did.

Also I'm not 100% certain there is a roleblock, I'm only 95% sure (mod meta again) and like I said I'm not 100% sure. i'm just acting like I am a 100% sure.

[TheLonging]

BTW when we lynch the scumteam, remind me to nominate this town for a scummy.

[Friend]

Look, I don't want to lynch a claimed PR. I think there's an okay chance he's fakeclaiming, but today is NOT the day to lynch him when we have scummier non-PRs that need to be dealt with.

[Sebguer]

Is Jack V/LA?