New York 116 - Prozacs Large Normal - Who won?

[Toogeloo]

EBWOP (moth's broken post broke my post >_>):

Unvote
Vote tubby

[mothrax]

ebwop:

unvote

I will answer your question when I have time to reread.

[Toogeloo]

Please don't string me up without me contributing more to find the people responsible for the terrible murders of our receptionist, head of HR (so maybe I didn't like how he writes but hey that's no reason for me to off such an administrative figure!) and the ones to come. Threats to PPC Co. Ltd. must end!

Ya'know... Wraith did the same thing. He just kind of gave up and stopped scum hunting. It would certainly be nice if you decided to, ya'know, fight for your life or something.

[Mr.Sandman]

I also have my eye on Mr. Sandman, his vote also had no reason looking back at the Wraith voters.

My vote did have a reason. I didn't mention those reasons in the post in which I placed my vote but I did in my post prior to that. I voted wraith out of all my suspects because he looked likeliest to lynch and I didn't want a no lynch.

Some people joined the charlie wagon far too easily. Tazaro, toonfighter and lowell to name three. I think it stands in his favour that he managed to get to L-1 so quickly, almost as if there were players looking for an opportunity to run a player up to L-1 so that they could get a claim, and they did so on the back of little to no reasoning. Oso set out the case at the start, toonfighter and lowell very willingly agreed with it.

I see Charlie's exposed for bad play

Vote: Charlie

Bad play isn't necessarily scummy play, no?

Since all I am doing here is apparently being useless, or attacking a player I find scummy (I thought that was what I was supposed to do) I will

unvote

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I will hammer Charlie when the town decides that is what they want. I don't see what is so scummy but since that is the general consensus and at leas part of his wagon is town I will follow that.
Happy?
If you need me I will be being a good little townie and only pressuring those you all think are scum.

I don't like this post. It assumes you know who the town are and it assumes you'll do something you supposedly don't really want to do, because you feel you will have a justifiable excuse. You even set yourself up for it by unvoting whoever you were voting, almost looking like a preparatory step

Posting to avoid prod, will have content tomorrow.

Where's this content we were promised?

vote CCARaven

Because he has yet to do anything today to in anyway alleviate his scummy behaviour yesterday

[Tazaro]

vote charlie

String him up.

You have justification for this vote, right?

[Oso]

...Vote tubby

I'm re-reading him in ISO and context. But from my initial readthrough, I have him listed in my notes as Apathetic Town(on the extreme end of the scale).

Point being, you may be seeing something I'm not. What is it that I may be missing?

[Toogeloo]

His constant posting updating his life, but no content. How do you separate those who are apathetic from those who are just trying to lay out of the light though?

[Oso]

Good question.

I have tubby on the same 'to watch' list as I do Charlie. The main difference is that Charlie has done some things that I would consider actively scummy. tubby hasn't much of anything....at all. Good or bad.

Have to think on that some before I'd consider a vote change though. Onto tubby that is. Seems that the Charlie pressurizing may be over for a moment and I'll probably be switching to my second most likely suspect here in my next post or so.

I don't buy Charlie's claim. The way he is playing is not, at least in my opinion, the way a VT would be playing. No scum hunting to speak of. No trying to persuade folks to go after who he might think is scum (this is from yesterday's play). No probing to verify or disprove his own reads. I'm sorry. His claim just doesn't match up with his play at all as far as I'm concerned.

[Toogeloo]

I don't buy Charlie's claim. The way he is playing is not, at least in my opinion, the way a VT would be playing. No scum hunting to speak of. No trying to persuade folks to go after who he might think is scum (this is from yesterday's play). No probing to verify or disprove his own reads. I'm sorry. His claim just doesn't match up with his play at all as far as I'm concerned.

I fully agree with this, VTs are the meat of discussion starters I think (or at least they should be), and there is a fairly good possibility of Charlie being scum (given the knowledge that has been developed thus far).

I don't want to end the day just yet though.


If you aren't feeling tubby, how do you feel about CCAR Oso? Also, if you don't mind, who did you JK last night, and did you do it for protection or to roleblock?

[Toogeloo]

Also, if you don't mind, who did you JK last night, and did you do it for protection or to roleblock?

Scratch that, no point in telling me just yet.

[Toogeloo]

sonuva...

[CCARaven4]

@Mod: Replace out

I'm sorry guys, I just have too much on my plate right now. I'm starting college as a freshman this week and am at orientation now and just can't keep up with the game. I signed up during summer when I had a lot of time and just have no more time to spend on the game.

[tubby216]

His constant posting updating his life, but no content. How do you separate those who are apathetic from those who are just trying to lay out of the light though?

i thought my life was pretty interesting and worthy of sharing. sorry you don't feel that way

[Toogeloo]

His constant posting updating his life, but no content. How do you separate those who are apathetic from those who are just trying to lay out of the light though?

i thought my life was pretty interesting and worthy of sharing. sorry you don't feel that way

So this is what we get? Promised content, and we get fishing stories and complaints that we don't think your life is interesting?

[tubby216]

His constant posting updating his life, but no content. How do you separate those who are apathetic from those who are just trying to lay out of the light though?

i thought my life was pretty interesting and worthy of sharing. sorry you don't feel that way

So this is what we get? Promised content, and we get fishing stories and complaints that we don't think your life is interesting?

yup cause you want to be all whiney about it

[Toogeloo]

very pro-town of you.

[Charlie]

Yes! I will dissect this thread from top to bottom searching for malicious intent. I will find something!

[Charlie]

This is the Wraith wagon/lynch:

Wraith - 9 - Charlie, Lowell, Agar, Tazaro, Mr. Sandman, tubby, Toogeloo, Zorblag, Wraith

Here is my L-1 wagon:

Charlie - 7 - Oso, Agar, Tazaro, Toogeloo, Benmage, Toon Fighter, Lowell

Assume that scum was on both wagons:
Agar
Tazaro
Toogeloo
Lowell

Who among these jokers are different/mafia-ish? Sorting from most to least...

Lowell
Tazaro
Agar
Toogeloo

Lowell is too lurkish to be town (I think).
Tazaro is too vebrose to be town.
Agar is too silent to be town, and suffers from tunnel vision (no doubt he would disgress).
Toogeloo can be summed up as cautious.

Why I wanted Wraith lynched: Time was a factor.

[Porochaz]

Charlie - 6 - Oso, Agar, Tazaro, Benmage, Toon Fighter, Lowell
tubby - 3 - Zorblag, Stef, Toogeloo
CCARaven - 1 - Mr.Sandman

Not Voting - 4 - Everyone else

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Deadline: September 2nd

CCARaven will be replaced.

[Porochaz]

Zorblag will be prodded.

[AGar]

How am I suffering from tunnel vision? Do explain, please?

And I'm apparently too quiet to be town.

I don't like Charlie's play, but I do respect the wishes to extend the day, and I'm definitely in agreement with that.

I don't like Tubby's constant promising of content and not coming through, but that's always read null to me. I'd rather see a replacement in the slot than lynch him at this moment, because we don't have anything to go off of.

Stef going after Tubby reeks of scum going after an easy lynch. Toogeloo's vote at least makes sense and has backing. Disliking my earlier read on Toogeloo.

Hoping to see more Benmage soon, he at least is active and promotes some original thinking.

Mothrax 673 is sooooo awful.

"I will hammer someone I think is town."
"I will do what you all want me to as a good townie."

Here's a start - scumhunt, or we'll lynch your ass. Seriously.

Charlie shutting down is unfamiliar to me. Going to need to meta him for some thoughts.

Wish Troll was about.

[Mr.Sandman]

I don't buy Charlie's claim. The way he is playing is not, at least in my opinion, the way a VT would be playing. No scum hunting to speak of. No trying to persuade folks to go after who he might think is scum (this is from yesterday's play). No probing to verify or disprove his own reads. I'm sorry. His claim just doesn't match up with his play at all as far as I'm concerned.

I fully agree with this, VTs are the meat of discussion starters I think (or at least they should be), and there is a fairly good possibility of Charlie being scum (given the knowledge that has been developed thus far).

I don't want to end the day just yet though.

I disagree with this. Theoretically, yes, in a perfect mafia world, that is the way a VT should play. How often does it actually happen though? Very little in my experience. If every player played as they were supposed to for any given role, you wouldn't end up lynching cops and doctors

I'm not saying charlie's lack of scum hunting isn't suspicious, but for VT reasons, I don't think there's a link. However, I must say, the more he continues to defend himself, the uneasier I feel about him. For a start, why aren't you voting, charlie?

[Charlie]

Even though I'm doing stuff, you are adamant I'm mafia.

I'm shutting down? No, it is the opposite (I'm rebooting?)

[Mr.Sandman]

Place a vote then...

[Charlie]

Oh drat..of course, how could I forget that? Thanks, Mr. Sandman.

VOTE: Lowell