/Invitational 11: Pick your Poison 5 (Game Over)

[Mr. Flay]

Seventh Vote Count of Day One

Hoopla (7) -- Papa Zito, Amished, mith, ekiM, VasudeVa, Elmo, Plumegranate
VasudeVa (3) -- populartajo, ooba, Herodotus
zoraster (2) -- DrippingGoofball, Kmd4390
Papa Zito (2) -- Zorblag, Rhinox
Herodotus (2) -- SpyreX, Hoopla
Kmd4390 (1) -- Ellibereth
DrippingGoofball (1) -- zoraster

Not Voting (2) -- My Milked Eek, Slicey

With 20 alive, 11 votes will be needed to lynch. Deadline: 25th of August, at 12:30 am US Central Time.

You all should be ashamed by the lack of posting. Prodding Elmo AGAIN, Plumegranate AGAIN. Should have a replacement for Slicey by noon.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zoraster, can you explain in two sentences why you want to lynch DGB?

Tajo, look at me in the eyes you scumbag, and be honest with me.

Was that a leading question, or are you actually interested in the answer? Because if you're interested in the answer, he's already given it. Which means, it's a leading question.

If you were hunting scum you'd be asking him his opinion of OTHER PLAYERS, something he's avoiding to do.

[DrippingGoofball]

So zoraster: What was so anti-town about the gambit in your eyes?

In my dreams, I'm seeing a tajo/Amished scumteam trying to whip up and exploit a tunneler.

[Herodotus]

Zoraster, can you explain in two sentences why you want to lynch DGB?

Sure:

DGB made her anti-town "gambit" without any real calculation on whether it was helpful to the town

, but she reasoned (correctly, it seems) that a "gambit" almost always comes across as pro-town, even when its substance is decidedly not. DGB is absolutely capable of using such a ploy, and we should not allow scummy behavior to slip by just because it comes from an chaotic player.

How is it that you know the first sentence, especially the bolded part, to be true? If she is scum, as you propose, then she may have calculated that it was harmful to the town. I wouldn't expect that she would share that calculation. I'm tentatively seeing this as a scumslip from you.

being prodded != lurking, all the time. And all lurkers do not necessarily get prodded.

True.
Ekim, do you generally lurk as town? As scum? Do you have opinions on anyone, including the person you're voting (Hoopla)?

[Herodotus]

So zoraster: What was so anti-town about the gambit in your eyes?

In my dreams, I'm seeing a tajo/Amished scumteam trying to whip up and exploit a tunneler.

How seriously are you taking those dreams right now?

[Ellibereth]

Hero, okay whatever. I just don't think that Jan wagon has higher chance then roleblocker wagon for scum on it. No biggie.
About tajo lurker list thing, probably scum, but nothing special. I know at least 2 were away etc. Also I remember someone saying somewhere that he had an observation that lurkerscum usually lurk to just before prod range and posts etc.
Sorta like how my posting pattern has been >.<, except it's intentional etc.
Oh yeah, Ythill said that.

[Ellibereth]

It's funny that a lot of people I had on the PEOPLE LEFT section are all on the Hoopla wagon.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's funny that a lot of people I had on the PEOPLE LEFT section are all on the Hoopla wagon.

Hoopla is the EASY LYNCH DU JOUR. This was decided last night in the QT.

[Herodotus]

But it's not funny that we have 1 week to deadline, and most people are low-activity. Only half of all players have posted in the last 24 hours, and one of them was only posting an excuse for not being able to post.

Speaking of that,

@mod: has the issue with MME been resolved? Replacement, or no replacement?

Edit:
@DGB: Daytalk. But your point stands.

[DrippingGoofball]

But it's not funny that we have 1 week to deadline, and most people are low-activity.

A sign we're lynching a townie, and the scum don't want to rock the boat.

[Herodotus]

So zoraster: What was so anti-town about the gambit in your eyes?

In my dreams, I'm seeing a tajo/Amished scumteam trying to whip up and exploit a tunneler.

How seriously are you taking those dreams right now?

[DrippingGoofball]

VasuDeva is the second highest wagon competing with Hoopla.

[DrippingGoofball]

So zoraster: What was so anti-town about the gambit in your eyes?

In my dreams, I'm seeing a tajo/Amished scumteam trying to whip up and exploit a tunneler.

How seriously are you taking those dreams right now?

CONCERN: not enough data
ACTION: watch for further actions

[Herodotus]

CONCERN: You're voting Zoraster, and stating a fear that scum are trying to exploit him.
ACTION: Wonder why you haven't moved your vote if you believe that fear.
RESULT: None.

[Kmd4390]

I have to catch up. Unfortunately, it won't be today.

[DrippingGoofball]

CONCERN: You're voting Zoraster, and stating a fear that scum are trying to exploit him.
ACTION: Wonder why you haven't moved your vote if you believe that fear.
RESULT: None.

I'm glad I answered your question.

[Patrick]

Seraphim will be replacing Slicey. Also, I'm back from Caffwagon, will read up and see if anything else needs doing later.

[Ellibereth]

lurkerscum usually lurk to just before prod range and posts etc.

Ugh too lazy to actually find names.

Mod, you should prob prod individual accounts for Plumen hydra.

ekiM off the top of my head. Are there more?

[Amished]

So zoraster: What was so anti-town about the gambit in your eyes?

In my dreams, I'm seeing a tajo/Amished scumteam trying to whip up and exploit a tunneler.

Then wake up and see that I'm trying to understand what zoraster actually exactly means so if I disagree with him I know exactly how to convince him that he's wrong.

[Elmo]

This is a post to say hi, I'm back! and will make a real post soon, likely within 24 hours depending on how long I sleep

[SpyreX]

I think zor is high on moonbeams BUT I think he believes it. That's the important part.

The DGB debacle is classic white noise (hint: it wasn't a debacle and I want real clear besides "DGB lied, people died" how that maneuver makes any sense

in total

as a scum move).

MME also is probably town. Everything in this setup and what he's said points at laaazy versus scummy.

HOWEVER, onto important stuff:

Thx Flay. At least one of these guys is scum.

DGB, Elmo, KMD, Plum, Rhinox and Zoraster.

Remember to isolate Tajo when you are in endgame and POE gives you a name out of this list.

I don't know if you meant this as a joke or serious, but you realize that mathematically, if you pick any random 6 people in a 20 player game in which there are 4 scum, there is an 80% chance that at least 1 of those 6 players are scum. Unless you feel being prodded is a scum tell, you might as well have picked 6 names at random.

By the way, Mods, if we're going to continue with 48 hour prods, I'm going to have to announce a Pre-emptive V/LA on weekends, as I can't always guarantee I can post. Usually, posting friday and then not again til monday is enough to avoid prodding. I typically make up for less activity on the weekends with more activity during the week. I just don't think I need to be prodded every weekend.

Uhhh

Yea. It's pretty clear that it wasn't a "random" sampling and even you yourself make mention of it. Which is super awesome considering you were in that list.

Me Grimlock no like post. Not at all.

Onto other things that I don't like:

You're probably town, then. No offence intended, but I'd rather that you had been scum.

What?

No, seriously, what?

It's like bizarro world here where I'm trying to figure out this AWESOME KMD WAGON and somehow I'm patted on the head and given a town star?

Speaking of:

It's the obv Hoopla counterwagon, SpyreX. Come on man.

There are good reasons for the KMD wagon, but wagons are often more informative without explanations.

I disagree. Its not really growing at all, actually. KMD doesn't seem too concerned with the votes, but he doesn't seem to be doing any scum hunting either. So far, KMD seems less active and analytical than he is in another game with me (ongoing), and while its not a tell because he didn't flip yet, its enough of a reason for me to keep a closer eye on him.

F---

Further, lets take a snapshot:

Hoopla (6) --

Papa Zito

, Amished, mith, ekiM, VasudeVa, Elmo
Kmd4390 (4) --

Rhinox

, Ellibereth,

Herodotus

, Hoopla
zoraster (2) -- DrippingGoofball, Kmd4390
DrippingGoofball (2) -- zoraster, Zorblag
ooba (1) -- Plumegranate
Rhinox (1) -- ooba
Herodotus (1) -- SpyreX
VasudeVa (1) -- populartajo

Hoopla (7) --

Papa Zito

, Amished, mith, ekiM, VasudeVa, Elmo, Plumegranate
VasudeVa (3) -- populartajo, ooba,

Herodotus

zoraster (2) -- DrippingGoofball, Kmd4390
Papa Zito (2) -- Zorblag,

Rhinox

Herodotus (2) -- SpyreX, Hoopla
Kmd4390 (1) -- Ellibereth
DrippingGoofball (1) -- zoraster

PZ wins the town trophy. The other two win bullets.

For those who actually have been following my back-and-forth with Hoopla, am I correct in feeling that Hoopla is dodging my "why?" question (which I've asked three times now)?

Yes, she's dodging it.

Unvote, Vote: Hoopla

I'd still MUCH rather lynch Hero or even Rhinox but.

[Papa Zito]

So our transformer exploded (POW) which means I'm posting from my phone. Which also means I can't quote and I'm prolly gonna miss some stuff here.

Hoopla's 23/f/aus was lulz, though not as lulz as the wagon jump. Yes mith she's dodging questions.

Amished saying I'm scum with Hoopla is also lulz and proves he's not paying attention to the game, but rather point-scoring. He should also send zoraster the PZ Is An Asshole Club (PIAAC) intro materials for new members.

Crap, I got a phone call in the middle of this and forgot some stuff.

Hiders? Troll was rambling about some things. Troll you said a few times in there that I spent a bunch energy trying to sabotage things Day 0... prove it. Also, if I was a hider, I'd wait a few days to get some people to hide behind, claim, and leave behind both a good-looking corpse and some confirmed townies to work with. I think this is better hider play than claiming on the extremely unlikely chance that there happens to be a pair of them.

(thumb cramp)

What else. Oh DGB no the slow wagon means scum aren't cooperating cuz they don't want to lynch their own.

I think there was something else but I can't remember.

[Seraphim]

Hey guys. I have a role PM. I'm reading the game. Cool, huh?

[Seraphim]

Alright, so I'm only on page 2, interesting stuff so far but nothing that really shows alignment one way or the other. Definitely, definitely seeing why Hoopla is being wagon'd though, sorta. Her plan is definitely outside of town think parameters but I'm really not sure one way or the other if that implicates her or anything. Just thought I'd drop that down here.

[Seraphim]

Also, choosing Janitor was probably terrible but we'll see how it plays out. Probably better than the rolecop and waaaay better than the assassin.