Open 236 - Pamplona Mafia (C9++) Game Over

[Nobody Special]

The alarm is going off, softly at first, then as it gets louder, you wake up to the smell of a fresh breakfast waiting for you in your room. Room service here is four-star.

Eager to put the events of yesterday behind you and have some real fun today, you hurry through breakfast and get ready for everything. There's a special appearance today by this famous matador. He'll be giving tips on how to deal with the bulls.

Down in the hotel lobby again, you wait for the full complement of your special group to arrive.

Sadly, not everyone shows up. Apparently, nighttime bull-chasing is a new trend here in Pamplona.

Dry-fit, Vanilla Townie,

has been gored by a bull and is now dead.

Ythan, Town Cop,

has been gored by a bull and is now dead.


Day Two has begun.

Not voting: Alduskkel, drmyshottyizsik, ekiM, Netlava, Prox, The Fonz, yabbaguy, Zajnet

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch. Day Two deadline.

[Ythan]

Oh hey, look at that. Bah go town.

[yabbaguy]

Initial thoughts:

Vote: Zajnet

for fluffing and IIoA. It's rather apparent he got excited when the discussion shifted to the always-neutral "what could the setup be" topic.

FoS: Prox

because he calls Town reads baselessly and has a way of questioning that's more white noise than anything. He's tossed out a lot of questions, but I haven't seen him follow up on them much. I consider this a scumtell because it's like scum throwing as many darts as they can at the Town until one manages to stick. If it doesn't, forget it and try another. I think the contribution from his end has been rather hollow.

[Netlava]

Dry-fit's kill looks more like the vig kill than Ythan's. I thought it was suspect how the wagon swung off of him at the last moment, but apparently he's town too... Either way, I think it looks like we can conclude that there is no SK, as it would be poor play for the SK not to shoot 2 nights in a row.

Zajnet is my top suspect. I'm really not fond of his sudden vote change when he was asked to do so by Prox. It seems unnatural and overeager, as if he were looking for a reason to change his vote. Switching your vote off your presumed top suspect, which is normally a compromise, isn't something that I'd expect to be done so eagerly and enthusiastically.

Prox is my second suspect. His reasoning about Alduskkel doesn't make sense and seems almost arbitrary at points. I'm not fond of his general posting style either.

Also, as a general note, we are close to lylo. With 3 scum in the game and 8 players left, after a mislynch and a NK, then it's 3 scum remaining in a 6 player game. So we need to be careful about our votes.

[yabbaguy]

Hang on, 3 v 5 w/Vig = lynchlynchlynch. If we whiff, the Vig still gets a crack at saving the game.

There's no scum piling-on malarkey yet.

[The Fonz]

Hmmmm, so today will be the day when everyone has the same top two suspects, will it?

I need to go back and look at the Ythan wagon. I felt at the time that his assholish behaviour might act as a honey trap for opportunistic scum.

[Alduskkel]

Vote: drmyshottyizsik

. Terrible lurker, and contradicts himself within 2 minutes. Also looking at Zajnet who just sort of followed Prox as mentioned (and lurks).

Also keeping an eye on Netlava (for not seeing anything wrong with Ythan's N0 vig stuff) and Prox (gut, mainly).

[Zajnet]

Known for sure: VVCT???
If drmyshottyizsik is telling the truth: VVCDDT?
At this point I think a backup roleblocker, mason pair, or cop should claim, or if there's a backup doc that hasn't counterclaimed drmyshotty yet then they should claim now too, because any of these claiming would mean that drmyshotty would have to be scum.

[Prox]

FoS: Prox

because he calls Town reads baselessly and has a way of questioning that's more white noise than anything. He's tossed out a lot of questions, but I haven't seen him follow up on them much. I consider this a scumtell because it's like scum throwing as many darts as they can at the Town until one manages to stick. If it doesn't, forget it and try another. I think the contribution from his end has been rather hollow.

I disagree. I followed most, if not all, of my questions until they were sufficiently answered.

LOA for today and maybe tomorrow.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Vote Lava

Sorry guys I have limitted acess i shattered my foot, and will have limitted acess untill my surgery is over, maybe be a while

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 2.01

drmyshottyizsik - 1 - Alduskkel
Netlava - 1 - drmyshottyizsik
Zajnet - 1 - yabbaguy


Not voting: ekim, Prox, Netlava, The Fonz, Zajnet

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch. Deadline: September 9

V/LA: drmyshottyizsik, until after surgery (when?); Prox, through August 21

[ekiM]

Ythan was a cop. Yesterday he directly attacked Alduskkel, dr, Dry-Fit, Prox. He was OK with a beef lynch "better than nothing". I think if he had an N0 guilty he would've come out with it. I'm thinking he probably had an innocent on one of myself, Netlava, Fonz, yabba, or Zajnet. OK, not so useful yet but it might be later.

Zajnet is suspect for a bunch of reasons others have elucidated.

I don't really get the Prox hate. I don't see his weird theories coming from scum so much.

dr has done so much bad stuff. The only thing I like about him is the claim. Hmm.

As we could lose after one more mislynch how do people feel about massclaim? Would either clear the power roles or draw fake claims I think. Either way, we narrow down our lynch pool.

ALSO:

given that a mislynch could be a loss, be cautious with your votes. A pseudo-quicklynch could end the game

.

[The Fonz]

The way he questioned my motives D1 suggests not me, though it's Ythan, so who the hell knows.

Looking at his wagon, Dry-Fit's a dead but somehow town opportunist lurker, and yabbaguy comes across as the one player who really believed Ythan was ACTUALLY scummy.

The way Prox latched onto Ythan's REALLY BAD argument against Al is interesting. I'm feeling really uninspired here though, like I can't begin to tell if it's a scummy attack, distancing, or just stupidity. Damnit, I'm getting mafia burnout. I need to take three months off after my ongoings finish, I think.

[The Fonz]

Oh yeah, and the other person on the wagon was drmyshotty, who we've established is either a bigtime VI or scum.

[Netlava]

Ythan could have investigated Socrates also - just to put that out there.

I don't think a massclaim is necessary, though, as it wouldn't change much regarding dr.

[The Fonz]

Massclaim is a terrible idea. In what would be mylo, but with vig, the most important thing is keeping the vig hidden.

[Alduskkel]

ALSO:

given that a mislynch could be a loss, be cautious with your votes. A pseudo-quicklynch could end the game

.

Mafia can't quicklynch anyone without getting killed by the vigilante the next night, and then we'd probably be in a standard 5p lylo and we can lynch any other Mafia that participated in the quicklynch.

Also Ythan's investigation could have also landed on the Mafia GF.

[Netlava]

Well, I'd like to hear more from Zajnet and Prox, who coincidentally have not given their suspicions yet. At this point, I'm ready to go ahead and

Vote: Zajnet

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok, so can somone give me a good real case against Zajnet? I may be willing to change votes if you guys can give reason

[yabbaguy]

Please read Zajnet's ISO. Things to notice while you're reading it is the fact that he seems very laid-back while we're scumhunting, but when it comes to determining the setup, he's very into that and how to deal with your Nurse claim etc. etc. etc.

Prox- my issue is that you're very swingy with your suspicions and that you're willing to question anyone on a whim having no clear stance on who you find scummy. Just from your ISO page 3, I notice you start by saying "Act, shotty", then it's "wth is with Dry-fit's lurking", then "Beefster's being opportunistic"

Obviously we know the Beef point is wrong, but which is it

really

? Your scumhunting is very opaque and that has me wary.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Unvote
Vote Zajnet

I did what yaba said, made sense, net is still my number two

[Zajnet]

That puts me at L-2. I don't see a point to claim yet because I still don't see a solid case against me, but don't lynch me without letting me claim.

[Alduskkel]

Just iso'd Zajnet. I can't believe I didn't notice that he's done almost no scum hunting. Speaking of which, who do you suspect Zajnet?

I'm *almost* willing to put him at L-1, but I'll wait a bit because it's early in the Day and we're in a shaky lylo-ish position.

[Prox]

Please read Zajnet's ISO. Things to notice while you're reading it is the fact that he seems very laid-back while we're scumhunting, but when it comes to determining the setup, he's very into that and how to deal with your Nurse claim etc. etc. etc.

Prox- my issue is that you're very swingy with your suspicions and that you're willing to question anyone on a whim having no clear stance on who you find scummy. Just from your ISO page 3, I notice you start by saying "Act, shotty", then it's "wth is with Dry-fit's lurking", then "Beefster's being opportunistic"

Obviously we know the Beef point is wrong, but which is it

really

? Your scumhunting is very opaque and that has me wary.

Um...sorry? I'm just doing what seems useful.

[yabbaguy]

It's not.

Suspects Prox, plox.