Newbie 994: Stop! In the Name of Sudo! Game Over!

[Applefarmer]

One thing I would like to point out: DDD just used similar logic to his case on me to switch his vote to DP. Any thoughts?
How can anyone follow him his case really. He doesn't use good logic and he has to be asked at least twice and properly to answer questions (God damnit man, just answer them! If you didn't see it thats different, but if you don't answer a question because of wording... thats ridiculous).
The deadline is coming up, I'm keeping my vote on DDD, but I'm fine with any lynch. I only ask that we don't follow DDD's vote based on his logic so far. If you vote with DDD at least come up with better reasons than his.

Anyone as long as we do not pay attention to the guy who is after you? Would you be fine with lynching dimaba or myself?

Why r u suggesting diaba or urself?

You said you'd be fine with any lynch. Just wondering how you'd feel about one of those.

[Applefarmer]

Anyway, this whole DDDP thing: This might sound weird, but I think both Applefarmer and DDDP are town. Applefarmer has been going a lot at DDDP, and the way he's arguing just comes off as town. I understand his arguments, but disagree with a lot of them. DDDP has been doing a good job keeping this going and pointing out where people are going wrong.

I don't feel as strongly about DDDP anymore, mostly because warriormode is looking pretty scummy to me right now. If that's the case, then I'd have a harder time believing DDDP was scum after the way he's called warriormode out. So yeah... I'm all but ready to lynch warriormode now.

Anything else you'd like to say warrior?

[DavidParker]

Warriormode is just flailing around... Not like a scum would though. I don't support this lynch.

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

iamatree L-3: dimaba, theperson
Debonair Danny DiPietro L-3: warriormode, DavidParker
DavidParker L-3: Debonair Danny DiPietro, Applefarmer
warriormode L-3: beanman, volo

Not Voting: seth

A prod has been sent to dimaba.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Warriormode is just flailing around... Not like a scum would though. I don't support this lynch.

That isn't helpful at all, how and/or why is he "town flailing" instead of "scum flailing"?

Last chance for me to post for a while, I'm moving my vote over to the bandwagon which I helped to start originally and now finally has some momentum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: warriormode

I will be back and able to post either late Sunday or mid-day Monday.

[warriormode]

Anyway, this whole DDDP thing: This might sound weird, but I think both Applefarmer and DDDP are town. Applefarmer has been going a lot at DDDP, and the way he's arguing just comes off as town. I understand his arguments, but disagree with a lot of them. DDDP has been doing a good job keeping this going and pointing out where people are going wrong.

I don't feel as strongly about DDDP anymore, mostly because warriormode is looking pretty scummy to me right now. If that's the case, then I'd have a harder time believing DDDP was scum after the way he's called warriormode out. So yeah... I'm all but ready to lynch warriormode now.

Anything else you'd like to say warrior?

Yes in what way do I look scummy to you?
As far as my reads on everyone else, I have nothing to be honest. Everyone seems to be playing in similar styles.
I'm targeting DDDP because hes the only one that stands out to me.
A lynch is better than no lynch, so lynching you or diambawould be fine by me, but not one I would support.

[DavidParker]

So you would support noone lynch but DDDP's?

[DavidParker]

Magikarp used flail.

[Applefarmer]

But you still say no scum DavidParker?

[Volo]

Not like a scum would though.

How would a scum do it...

[dimaba]

As far as my reads on everyone else, I have nothing to be honest. Everyone seems to be playing in similar styles.
I'm targeting DDDP because hes the only one that stands out to me.
A lynch is better than no lynch, so lynching you or diambawould be fine by me, but not one I would support.

You have no reads, but there are some lynches you would support and others you would not? Everyone plays in similar styles but DDDP stands out? That entire post is self-contradictory...

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Okay, now as for what my favourite lynch option is...

I see three viable candidates. First, there is warriormode. Now at L-2 after Danny moved his vote back onto him, has contributed little to nothing. I did a quick ISO and saw one post where he voted for seth (for the potential consequences of not liking long posts) that could be considered scumhunting. It could also be what seth suggested at the time: an attempt by scum to twist his words. He has also failed to adequately defend himself against DDDP's case, which had plenty of holes in it. In other words, he is a poor player who doesn't seem to have tried to help town find scum.
(p.s. I am not going to continue the discussion I was having with Danny about his warriormode case right now, as I don't feel that explaining why I think he's wrong will do much to sway opinions at this point and we really need to get a lynch in in time)

Second, DDDP at. I don't like his style and I didn't like his case. Some of his responses have had an unpleasant tone that just gets under my skin, and his refusal to answer questions is really annoying. Wether or not the questions are worth answering is up for debate perhaps, but if useless questions are being asked the least he should do as our IC is to help new players ask less useless questions. But well, at least he's not afraid to make enemies. He has scum potential for making a weak case against warriormode and conjuring up a convenient magic scumtell against David. Yes, we've seen that people have been lynched correctly on this scumtell but we haven't seen if this also applies with the less experienced players in the newbie games and we haven't seen all the times that it has failed. More scum potential for his plain refusal to answer questions (slows town down and allows him to conveniently ignore criticism by dismissing it as irrelevant) and the lack of encouragement for other players to scumhunt early in the day.

Third, DavidParker, now with only one vote on him. He started off very well with a thorough analysis of the thread, making a case on DDDP that though still not entirely convincing was stronger than that made on warriormode. However, his level has dropped off quite a bit in the responses to further posts. Here's what I have to say about a few of his recent posts:

An alliance? Sounds like something of a sort of scum agenda.

Why?

For someone who has used "tone" as an argument and reason to vote someone this game, your posts strike me to have a somewhat desperate and scummy tone to them DDDP. This "desperation" is not only shown in your town but by you trying to form this alliance it seems. Just my view on your last couple posts.

Why?

Warriormode is just flailing around... Not like a scum would though. I don't support this lynch.

Why?

It seems that he is trying insanely hard to make it look like every post by DDDP strengthens his case, without providing any proof or explanation of why it does. I don't see town doing that, as town have no particular interest in making a player look scummy.

Of the three, I want to go for warriormode. From what I've seem of him, he has taken a moderately scummy approach of defending himself and attacking no others. As a consequence, even if he flips town his mislynch will not be nearly as big a loss to town as a mislynch on David or Danny who both seem to be far better players. But, more importantly, I think warriormode will be the most informative lynch. You will have noticed that Danny has continually been on warriormode's tail and that David's first action upon joining was to attack the person who had been going after warriormode. Add to that David's "flailing around" comment that defends warriormode but cannot tell us why, and I'm 90% sure that David and warriormode are on the same team and Danny and warriormode are not. In other words, warriormode's flip will give me my prime suspect for day 2.

unvote

vote: warriormode

[DavidParker]

Not like a scum would though.

How would a scum do it...

Just judging by the intent of his posts from diction/tone/content.

Just my interpretation of his posts.

[Applefarmer]

I think enough has been said about this. Lets see where this gets us.

UNVOTE: DavidParker
VOTE: warriormode

[DavidParker]

wait.. you just hammered without a claim??

In before, "omg i didn't realize i hammered"

[Applefarmer]

I'm sorry? Is there a rule or something that I have to give an official claim? I've made my concerns with warriormode clear and I've mentioned that I'm hoping to learn something about DDD from the result. Do I need to say it all again?

[DavidParker]

His claim...

ie: So we don't day 1 lynch our cop.

[Applefarmer]

Oh.. we were supposed to ask him his role?

Oops?

[warriormode]

Its okay, I'm Townie, So it doesn't really matter.
"Good Luck" guys,
Oh shit! saying good luck in a scummy tone makes me scum right DDD?
Oh Fuck! Smiley, that makes me scum as well huh?

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

warriormode L-0: beanman, volo, Debonair Danny DiPietro, dimaba, Applefarmer
Debonair Danny DiPietro L-3: warriormode, DavidParker
iamatree L-4: theperson

Not Voting: seth

warriormode has been lynched. He was, indeed, a Townie.

With that, it is now night 1. Night actions should be sent to your regular mod, who will be back by the time night ends. Do

not

post here during the night -- I don't have powers to lock this, so it'll get locked as soon as possible. This thread being unlocked does not mean you can post here.

We'll have night end on

Tuesday, August 24

, so get your choices in by then.

[Sudo_Nym]

Confirming what Yaw said, and locking the topic. This is the first time I've been able to get access this weekend, but I should be back to regular mod duties before night ends. So, a big thank you to Yaw for helping out is in order, I think. And with that, PM away.

[Sudo_Nym]

Day rises, and in addition to the regular mod taking over,

dimaba

(

Townie

) was killed. That makes it day two, now, so start killing people!

Deadline is September 13, and with 7 alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

[Volo]

I don't think that asking for a claim matters as much as David made it out to be [on Day 1, at the very least]. Even if someone WERE to claim Cop, he wouldn't have any information to divulge and we'd assume he is lying [or else we wouldn't have pushed him with enough votes to make him claim anyway, right?] and lynch him anyways. It's a great idea to ask for claims before hammering from this point onward, I think, but Apple's "mistake" isn't a big deal.

[Sudo_Nym]

tanstalas replaces seth, effective immediately

[tanstalas]

Hey all - up to page 5, will post thoughts shortly

@Beanman - Hai

[tanstalas]

OK - my thoughts on who is scum right now are Applefarmer, DDDP and theperson

Really did not like DDDP quoting Amished's post of criticizing someones posts of who you replaced into it is a scumtell, and then he votes DP based on that. Shortly after that Applefarmer jumps on DDDP's wagon and agrees with him and also votes DP, and then in Applefarmer's ISO-12 he mentions that DDDP is one of his suspects (bussing anyone?) - however if you ISO him he only mentions DDDP in 3 of his previous posts, he was going hardcore after seth and also said he would support an iamatree wagon as well, then voted for DP based on DDDP's Amished's post and then hammered warriormode after saying in his ISO-4 that he would support an iamatree wagon BEFORE a warriormode wagon, contradict much?

He started to "lean" towards warriormode on Thursday in ISO-14 (without any reasons given), and then DDDP voted for warriormode on Friday, then Apple made a post that day followed by dimaba's vote at 9:15pm, and then a few short hours later Apple changes his vote to warriormode without any hesitation and drops the hammer.

Also all his THREE "suspicions" on DDDP were that he didn't provide any reasoning to his voting for warriormode, seriously look at them (ISO's #3, 5 and 7) then he hammers without any reason/asking for a claim. Again, contradict much?

Though theperson is kind of scummy looking to me as well as he said that he thought Applefarmer and DDDP were town and Applefarmer has been going "a lot" at DDDP... really? where? The only posts where he went after DDDP was where he asked why DDDP voted warrior without any "reason" given. I'd like to chalk that up to a newbie saying that, but he is an SE... which makes me wary

Vote: Applefarmer

Let's kill this scum now

Also strange that the IC is still alive after N1, that combined with his quoting Amished's post, his "plan" to just lynch someone to get the day over makes him my #2 suspect, will re-evaluate between him and theperson depending on what Apple flips