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Furcolow To Be Frank
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Locke Lamora Mafia Scum
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What fence? I say Beefster's come along, said what basically amounts to nothing about Furcolow and Friend and then thrown out some pointless battery-powered deadline speculation, when it's explained in the first post. And now here he goes again with post restrictions. He says that he thinks at least one of Furcolow and Friend are scum, but votes for me, and what is 'at least I've tried' supposed to mean? Do scum not try? So no, I'm not voting for the sake of voting, I'm voting because I think Beefster's scum.If ya smell what The Locke is cookin'!
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animorpherv1 Honey Trap
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Fate wrote:Something's strange. Why would Ani not mention me and the supposed need for my policy lynchinz?
DONT U </3 ME ANI?
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Hi Fate.
I had no idea you were playing, and IMO, Furcolow needs lynching more."Animorpherv1's posts are so powerful that prolonged exposure may cause vertigo, nausea, acute tinnitus, and in rare cases, death." - vonflare
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Iecerint Survivor
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@ Soc -- convince me that Friend is a better wagon.-
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I am sympathetic to Friend being scum, if you're referring to your argument to that effect. Your feelings about Beefster seem pretty nonspecific, though.
No, I don't think his contributions are deliberately subpar. I've never played with Beefster before, though, so I have no reason to assume as much. If you know something about him that you think is relevant for interpreting his behavior, please teach me.-
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Friend Mafia Scum
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In my view of the game, there are two main ways for one to justify that a person is scum.Iecerint wrote:I am sympathetic to Friend being scum, if you're referring to your argument to that effect. Your feelings about Beefster seem pretty nonspecific, though.
No, I don't think his contributions are deliberately subpar. I've never played with Beefster before, though, so I have no reason to assume as much. If you know something about him that you think is relevant for interpreting his behavior, please teach me.
1) Prove that some involuntary aspect of a player's play is indicative of a scum mindset. Basically, show that they wouldn't do what they are doing if they had a town role PM.
2) Prove that their actions are deliberately done with malicious intent.
We have ruled out the latter if we agree that Beefster's poor play is not deliberate, thus we must prove the former. So the simple question is this: What has Beefster done that he would not do if he was town? Even if someone makes the argument that his statements are not a legitimate means of contribution, that is largely irrelevant because Beefster himself MUST think that what he is posting holds weight even IF he is scum or he would not have posted it in the first place.
Comparatively, with Friend's play, I am coming from the latter perspective. I believe his earlier play had hints of dissonance with regards to his stances on Ani and Furcolow. His stance (Thinks Ani is scummy, but still supporting the Furc wagon) was a useful one as scum if both Furc and ani happened to be town, because if the wagon goes through (which was semi-likely, as Furc was rapidly digging his own hole at the time and gaining votes), he is well placed to attack the primary cause of the mislynch, thus a scum Friend would want the wagon to continue, but by only supporting the wagon indirectly and staying off of it himself, if the wagon fails to go through, he would be relatively safe from any fallout from that wagon. The dissonance comes in when his stances didn't make much sense from a town perspective, in my opinion. He thinks pressure on Furc was a good thing and wanted the wagon to continue, but was unwilling to participate in the wagon himself, and not only that, but he thought the primary pusher of the wagon was himself scum. His play doesn't make a lot of sense from town, but does make a lot of sense from scum.
My interactions with Friend have largely been me trying to gauge his honesty in his arguments, and to be honest, my scum read is fading just a little bit, but I still think this is the best place for my vote right now.-
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Beefster Mafia Scum
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The signups had 19 players and there are only 17 in this game.Friend wrote:Beefster, what gives you the impression there's more than one player with a post restriction?
Not to mention balance. It just seems like something you'd do to make players wonder.On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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Beefster Mafia Scum
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Denial is a river in Africa.Locke Lamora wrote:What fence?
Explain.Locke Lamora wrote:I say Beefster's come along, said what basically amounts to nothing about Furcolow and Friend
Yes, it was explained, but I wondered how specifically it would decrease over time.Locke Lamora wrote:and then thrown out some pointless battery-powered deadline speculation, when it's explained in the first post.
Does anyone else see some backpedaling going on here?Locke Lamora wrote:And now here he goes again with post restrictions. He says that he thinks at least one of Furcolow and Friend are scum, but votes for me, and what is 'at least I've tried' supposed to mean? Do scum not try? So no, I'm not voting for the sake of voting, I'm voting because I think Beefster's scum.On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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Friend Mafia Scum
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Either they're scumbuddies or he's distancing himself from a possible mislynch to gain "town cred" if Beefster indeed is town.Plum wrote:What's the scum motivation for defending Beefster?
You're missing what I said earlier, though. I said if I felt the wagon was going to lead to a lynch, I would try to stop it actively - I know I can't "prove" that necessarily but it's true nonetheless.Socrates wrote: Comparatively, with Friend's play, I am coming from the latter perspective. I believe his earlier play had hints of dissonance with regards to his stances on Ani and Furcolow. His stance (Thinks Ani is scummy, but still supporting the Furc wagon) was a useful one as scum if both Furc and ani happened to be town, because if the wagon goes through (which was semi-likely, as Furc was rapidly digging his own hole at the time and gaining votes), he is well placed to attack the primary cause of the mislynch, thus a scum Friend would want the wagon to continue, but by only supporting the wagon indirectly and staying off of it himself, if the wagon fails to go through, he would be relatively safe from any fallout from that wagon. The dissonance comes in when his stances didn't make much sense from a town perspective, in my opinion. He thinks pressure on Furc was a good thing and wanted the wagon to continue, but was unwilling to participate in the wagon himself, and not only that, but he thought the primary pusher of the wagon was himself scum. His play doesn't make a lot of sense from town, but does make a lot of sense from scum.
Well, for one, if he was town, maybe he would try to formulate arguments and opinions of his own instead of sheeping on the general mindset of the town. You're acting like scum can never say things that show laziness or disinterest in the game, which is what he did, essentially.Socrates wrote:So the simple question is this: What has Beefster done that he would not do if he was town? Even if someone makes the argument that his statements are not a legitimate means of contribution, that is largely irrelevant because Beefster himself MUST think that what he is posting holds weight even IF he is scum or he would not have posted it in the first place.-
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OK, so, @ Soc, your bit about BS doesn't make much sense to me. I'm going to summarize it as I read it so that I can show me where I am wrong:
There are 2 ways scum can seem scummy:
A) By accident
B) On purpose
You agreed with me when I said BS wasn't intentionally a crap player, so the question is whether he is scummy by accident. But it isn't an accident because he does it (?????).
So...are you basically saying "BS is VI"?
Also, I think we talked past one another on the first part -- I thought you were asking whether I thought BS was a player like Furco who deliberately plays with a scummy style.
I can see where you're coming from in the paragraph about Friend, though.-
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Furcolow To Be Frank
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Can you seriously shut up? You do this every single game I've played with you, when at leastanimorpherv1 wrote:Fate wrote:Something's strange. Why would Ani not mention me and the supposed need for my policy lynchinz?
DONT U </3 ME ANI?
Vote: Ani
Hi Fate.
I had no idea you were playing, and IMO, Furcolow needs lynching more.someof my posts are not one-liners. You are a much better policy lynch than I am.
You were almost policy lynched on D1 for SA2 because you fucking laundered like an idiot and picked up an insanity you didn't need to take. You didn't think to ward someone?
add:Iecerint wrote:OK, so, @ Soc, your bit about BS doesn't make much sense to me. I'm going to summarize it as I read it so that I can show me where I am wrong:
There are 2 ways scum can seem scummy:
A) By accident
B) On purpose
You agreed with me when I said BS wasn't intentionally a crap player, so the question is whether he is scummy by accident. But it isn't an accident because he does it (?????).
So...are you basically saying "BS is VI"?
Also, I think we talked past one another on the first part -- I thought you were asking whether I thought BS was a player like Furco who deliberately plays with a scummy style.
I can see where you're coming from in the paragraph about Friend, though.
c) their teammates
d) investigative roles ...poor millers... all those poor millers that have died due to investigations... makes me want to cry
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Furcolow To Be Frank
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FoS: Fatefor a randomvote on page 7
The following will include a lot of restatement, because I think some of what I said has gone unnoticed. My top suspects at the moment are:
-Ani, for the pushing an early policy lynch off only meta. THe fact that he is nowonly deepens my suspicion.smokingbecause of it
-Vezo, for the tunneling of Furcolow for poor reasons. AGar said it well.
-Fate, for the randomvote
-Locke Lamora, for a poor vote and, as AGar said, fence-sitting-ish. There is no reason at the moment to think Beefster is scum except that Icerint got a seemingly good mod reaction for voting him (for an actual reason)
@ani: That's why I've said he should be vigkilled later on if we can't find scum, just to be safe. Furcolow strikes me more as if someone was role-playing a Miller, and I don't think a lynch should be wasted on him.
I've decreased my suspicion of Incerint because he is now bathed in warm light. This is probably for voting Beefster, although I currently think the Beefster wagon is stupid. Time will tell.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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mothrax wrote:Geez, 8 pages. I am disliking ani's push for furclowe on policy. Seems forced to me.
unvote, vote animorpherv1
Hey, I found 3 scum.
mothrax, Friend & Furcolow.
Also, if I don't force it, he's gonna live untill endgame, buecause he seems to be unlynchable."Animorpherv1's posts are so powerful that prolonged exposure may cause vertigo, nausea, acute tinnitus, and in rare cases, death." - vonflare
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Furcolow To Be Frank
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ani's suspicion < founded
furcolow and beefster's assumptions about setup < wise <> outguessing mod is bad
(suspicion <> smoking) < conclusive or valuable <> lack of knowledge of game mechanics
Vi games < 100% down to earth setups
ergo,
we can't believe smoking is bad based only on our normal connotations with the wordUW Huskies Class of 2014!
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