Hmmm I don't know about this one. I was under the impression if someone like a cop went to investigate someone being jailed the investigation wouldn't go through....although looking closer I can see it being only a rb'r/doc.petroleumjelly wrote:Zorblag, a jailkeeper only protects and role-blocks a target. Itdoes notprevent the target from being targeted by other roles. Does this change your analysis of a Jailkeeper claim?
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@MODCan we get any insight on how a Jailkeeper role, if in this game, would work? Would the jailed person be blocked from others, actions?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Very nice post, Tazaro. Instead of commenting on anything, you humorously suggest I have too many suspicions. However, as you can see in my first post of the game, Zorblag was already on my scumdar, he has just crept up it.Tazaro wrote:.................................
Who's the next person who's going to ping your "scumdar"?
Do you have any comments about anything? What do you think of Oso? What do you think of Zorblag's interpretation of a Jailkeeper? What do you think of Benmage? Do you agree that tubby216 is actively lurking, and do you find that scummy?
Or are you content to simply try and continually jab at me from the sidelines, like you have done with all of your posts that concern me so far?
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Jelly, I don't think there's inconsistencies in Trolls view on the JK. I view it as a rb/doc-like role. I also thought it stopped the jailed person from being targeted. I don't think, thinking the latter nullifies the other."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Zorblag is being sensible: Oso's claim is that he is a jailkeeper; well... jailkeeping is a role that very well can prevent night actions that target the person that the jailkeeper jails. I know this because I've been a jailkeeper before. I think Oso has claimed a role that sounds powerful, and I wouldn't expect mafia to avoid targetting a claim power role like his and instead target Furcolow. Something smells about this, and something smells about Benmage; he was ostensibly wanting to drop the argument with you, and as for me, I love to argue if you want one; I will not equate tubby216's active lurking as something that merits a lynch; he is busy but he needs to be a team player, everyone can vote to pressure him if they want. But his active lurking is not a tell of suspicion, but it is something that needs to improve or it will be a bunch of dead weight to talk about.petroleumjelly wrote:What do you think of Oso? What do you think of Zorblag's interpretation of a Jailkeeper? What do you think of Benmage? Do you agree that tubby216 is actively lurking, and do you find that scummy?ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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Tazaro wrote: Benmage; he was ostensibly wanting to drop the argument with you
Misrep.
You didn't seem thrilled yesterday as I was flushing out your inconsistent behavior. Nor do you seem to care when Stef blatantly refused to answer questions. Which reminds how scummy I think Stef is, and how he has completely fallen off this game.Tazaro wrote: and as for me, I love to argue if you want one"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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For anybody who has actually bothered to follow that links that Porochaz supplied in his second post of the game, here is the link to the Jailkeeper wiki: Link. Jailkeepers do nothing beyond simultaneously protect and role-block. A "common variant," which Porochaz hasnottold us he is using and hence best not be using, is to "isolate" that player from being targeted by anybody, but it is not how a Jailkeeper traditionally works.
The complaint about Zorblag is that he has made two separate posts demonstrating that he knows what a Jailkeeper is (a Doctor + Role-blocker), and in neither of those posts did he mention he thought Jailkeepers somehow "isolates" a player. He only took this viewafterI started forcefully attacking Oso. Some players like to feign ignorance about mechanics or roles to implicitly suggest they are uninformed townies (for example, a scum player asking the mod in thread "Do scum have daytalking powers?," which I point out because Zorblag asked this exact question in-thread), and this could be falling into a similar line of feigned ignorance."Logic? I call that flapdoodle."-
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I block(the target) AND protect(the target). The only thing I can prevent from happening TO the target is a kill, just like a Doctor. Also, like a doctor or a role-blocker, I wouldn't prevent any roles that do anything other than kill from getting whatever results they would normally get. Ex: A cop would still get a result on my target.Benmage wrote:
Hmmm I don't know about this one. I was under the impression if someone like a cop went to investigate someone being jailed the investigation wouldn't go through....although looking closer I can see it being only a rb'r/doc.petroleumjelly wrote:Zorblag, a jailkeeper only protects and role-blocks a target. Itdoes notprevent the target from being targeted by other roles. Does this change your analysis of a Jailkeeper claim?
According to the wiki, there is also a variation that does protect,role blocks AND blocks all night actions against the target.
I am the first sort. Doctor/RB combo, NOT Doc/RB and <other roles> blocked combo.My Uncle always use'ta say, 'You can't get no blood from a turnip.' .... He'd say the same thing about gettin' it from a stone, too.
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@BenMage: Not this stuff about "inconsistency" again. You wanted to lynch Stef--You're crazy if you think Stef is the most likely to be scum.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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Whatever. Stef's a saint compared to you.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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Oh ninja'd by tazaro my last post was referencing Oso's.
Has Stef done anything pro-town this game? He was blatantly scummy yesterday. He has now gone into the shadows. Classic scum tell if you ask me. And it should be pretty obvious--who I think is most likely scum. *hint hint* the lynch I am adamant about.Tazaro wrote:@BenMage: Not this stuff about "inconsistency" again. You wanted to lynch Stef--You're crazy if you think Stef is the most likely to be scum."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I'm not saying Stef is obv town or anything--Charlie is likely to be scum, yes, but it's sure a hell of a lot better than a Stef lynch. We don't need to lynch someone who's played conservatively and is neutral and quiet.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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Since it IS four o clock here where I'm at, I'm going to go eat some meal for dinner.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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What are you a grandpa, early bird special?Tazaro wrote:Since it IS four o clock here where I'm at, I'm going to go eat some meal for dinner."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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@petroleumjelly.
Just need a slight clarification here.
You think that Tazaro might have been subtly directing thinking to Benmage killed Fur by the way he(Tazaro) posted his thoughts on the nightkill?
And also that he did pretty much the same thing when he(Tazaro) talked about why I was still alive. A basic reworking of "Why is the claimed cop still alive WIFOM?" with my role in place of the cop role?My Uncle always use'ta say, 'You can't get no blood from a turnip.' .... He'd say the same thing about gettin' it from a stone, too.
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Oso, that is largely correct. If you read Tazaro's posts from Day Two onwards, I get a definite impression that Tazaro has been trying to get somebodybesides himselfto run with the logic of why Furcolow was killed. Tazaro does not start off making either of the two most obvious inferences (i.e., that both Anon + Furcolow attacked Benmage, or that Furcolow died and you, our only claimed power role, did not), and only later again brought up the subject when nobody latched on.
I have used such suggestions to great effect in the past, but suggestions do not necessarily have to be "Why didn't X die?" I think my most memorable game where I (and my scumteam) did something like this was Simon Mafia. In that game, after we had a couple role-claims so far, the informed the Town of a note left on a door which said, "All claims so far are truthful." Me and my scum-partners knew this was false (since a partner had fake-claimed prior to this announcement), and we decided to discredit whoever had that role before they could claim. Our team was allowed to write our own nightkill flavor, so we had our target die with a note written on his head, saying "All claims so far are truthful" (suggesting the note-writer was part of the mafia). I pointed out how strange this was here. Take note of my language: "Not sure what to think about that right now. But it's dang weird, and I'm surprised I missed it at first."
You can see my scum-brain working in retrospect. The inference is obvious enough: that the mafia control the note-writer. But I purposefully avoided saying it in the hopes somebody else would make the suggestion. That way, the idea would be attributed tothem. I feel like Tazaro is trying the exact same type of ploy."Logic? I call that flapdoodle."-
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I think he's suggesting that Tazaro wanted to pull attention off me and onto you. Which is why I think Tazaro flipping scum indicating me as scum is a stretch he seems quite persistent on."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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It is not a stretch.Benmage wrote:I think he's suggesting that Tazaro wanted to pull attention off me and onto you. Which is why I think Tazaro flipping scum indicating me as scum is a stretch he seems quite persistent on.Ithink the most obvious inference was that "both players attacked you." However, Tazaro's second post concerning the nightkill was only along the lines of asking Oso, "aren't you surprised you weren't killed?"
This suggests that Tazaro may be trying to hide thetruereason Furcolow was nightkilled. In essence, you and Tazaro nightkilled the one person who managed to connect the two of you together. However, Tazaro is trying to have the town make theimproperinference instead (by pointing out how strange it is that Oso was not nightkilled after being the only claimed power-role). On the surface, this is a clever and opportune way to kill off the one person who is onto a scumteam."Logic? I call that flapdoodle."-
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No, the thing that bothers me about the Furcolow nightkill is that Oso may have survived due to being mafia who lied about being the town jailkeeper.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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what the hell is your problem, tunneling me.? I want to know if Oso's being scum is a reason who he wasn't dead after claiming jailkeeper.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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EBWOP: "who" should be "why." I don't know if the Oso scum theory as a reason for the nightkill that didn't target oso has been proposed.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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