/Invitational 11: Pick your Poison 5 (Game Over)

[DrippingGoofball]

...

You can't be real.

Unvote, Vote: VV

Its like a damn scum manifesto

GOODIES:

Everyone can breathe a sigh of relief, SpyreX is town in this game.

And I love me some Seraphim...

Unvote, Vote: VV

[VasudeVa]

I did not accuse you of lazy bandwagoning, I'm accusing your

case

as a lazy bandwagoning case.

A person is wagoned enough once I think they have given genuinely Townie responses. I AM scumhunting. I read Hoopla as scum because of her very uninterested responses to her wagon, quite unlike what I saw from her in Elliland. In that game, she had a good Town game and was very motivated. Here, she's being apathetic and defeatist. I don't like it. And I'm voting for her lynch. I don't like her responses and everyone has been doing the legwork for me so w/e. So instead of wasting my time to post something somebody already said, I just keep quiet.

Also, this no-scumhunting bullshit is pretty silly. 20 players all scumhunting at the same time would be pretty chaotic. I'm already lost at this game and I don't want to promote more chaos which in turn would make me more lost-erer. So yeah, excuse me while I lurk but I did say I'm not a fan of large games. Ask Amished, ask Troll. (I have tried to scumhunt versus ooba and tajo, but people seem to be ignoring me so w/e. If people aren't listening to me/taking me seriously, might as well lurk.)

Also also, that 'he attacks people who wagon on him' point is bullshit. I think the proper term would be 'abrasive defense'. Not nearly the same as 'attack', doncha think? The only person I have ever attacked is Hero, and that's because I see Hoopla, who I perceive to be scum, voting him. Well, that's before you came into the picture.

[SpyreX]

Also also, that 'he attacks people who wagon on him' point is bullshit. I think the proper term would be 'abrasive defense'. Not nearly the same as 'attack', doncha think? The only person I have ever attacked is Hero, and that's because I see Hoopla, who I perceive to be scum, voting him. Well, that's before you came into the picture.

Five dollars for the brain-pain question needing to be asked from this.

I will wait because its soo juicy on every level.

[DrippingGoofball]

Also also, that 'he attacks people who wagon on him' point is bullshit. I think the proper term would be 'abrasive defense'. Not nearly the same as 'attack', doncha think?

The only person I have ever attacked is Hero, and that's because I see Hoopla, who I perceive to be scum, voting him.

Well, that's before you came into the picture.

Do I get my 5 bucks?

VV is attacking a player, because that player is attacked by a Scummy One?

Did I get that right?

[VasudeVa]

scumHoopla's not voting for me, or the biggest wagon, because then people will be all like 'lol, survival vote'. That would be a waste of a vote. In the interest of making the most of her vote she votes Hero. Something like, 'I voted for my scumbuddy, he's obviously town because I've already flipped scum and I'm voting for him. '

Well, that's the best she's got. At the very least, it opens up a can of WIFOM.

Plus, it looked rather desperate because the vote hop felt....unnatural from my previous experience with her.

[VasudeVa]

...

You can't be real.

Unvote, Vote: VV

Its like a damn scum manifesto

GOODIES:

Everyone can breathe a sigh of relief, SpyreX is town in this game.

And I love me some Seraphim...

Unvote, Vote: VV

See, I don't get it. People accuse me of not adding reasoning to my votes(which I have explained to be me listening to people) but people let shit like this slide and say 'ooh, it's <player name>! s/he does that'.

(Well, it's either that or it could be because I only ever pay attention to stuff that's happening to me.)

[Ellibereth]

VASSSSSSSS, ARE YOU TOWN?
HAVE PEOPLE ASKED YOU FOR YOUR META BEFORE???

[VasudeVa]

VASSSSSSSS, ARE YOU TOWN?
HAVE PEOPLE ASKED YOU FOR YOUR META BEFORE???

1. Yes.
2. Yes. If it's not suspicious(like tajo), I point them to my (very unfinished) wiki.

[Ellibereth]

HMMM
HAVE I EVER SEEN TOWN YOU BEFORE?
ALSO
STILL DON'T GET WHY IT WAS SUSPICIOUS.

[VasudeVa]

HMMM
HAVE I EVER SEEN TOWN YOU BEFORE?
ALSO
STILL DON'T GET WHY IT WAS SUSPICIOUS.

Well, you're seeing Town me now. XD.

I haven't played with (un)populartajo before,nor have I ever talked to him outside of games yet he claims to have a 'bad feeling' about a 'Town meta' of mine. If that's not suspicious, I don't know what is. Also, he dodges that question and proceeds to wagon on me.

[mith]

If that's suspicious, why did you not vote him for it?

Not even a little bit interested in switching my vote, but the VasudeVa wagon looks to be a great source of information.

Ellibereth: Please stop posting in caps. It's annoying.

Mod:

Hoopla is over the 48 hour mark.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Hoopla (7) -- Papa Zito, Amished, mith, ekiM, VasudeVa, Elmo, Plumegranate
VasudeVa (5) -- populartajo, Herodotus, Seraphim, SpyreX, DrippingGoofball
zoraster (2) -- Kmd4390, ooba
Papa Zito (2) -- Zorblag, Rhinox
Herodotus (1) -- Hoopla
Kmd4390 (1) -- Ellibereth
DrippingGoofball (1) -- zoraster

Not Voting: SaintKerrigan

With 20 alive, 11 votes will be needed to lynch. Deadline: 25th of August, at 12:30 am US Central Time.

Hoopla prodded.

[Ellibereth]

Ellibereth: Please stop posting in caps. It's annoying.

Let me do it one last time. >.>

I haven't played with (un)populartajo before,nor have I ever talked to him outside of games yet he claims to have a 'bad feeling' about a 'Town meta' of mine. If that's not suspicious, I don't know what is. Also, he dodges that question and proceeds to wagon on me.

WHY COULDN'T HE HAVE READ A GAME YOU'RE IN? ETC.
ALSO WHAT SCUM MOTIVATION IS THERE IN DOING WHAT HE DID.
ok caps done.
And now, if you're town
I'm telling you that Tajo = town. Or you can just assume it for a sec.
WHo's scum on your wagon?

[Hoopla]

I've been prodded, I guess...

Um, so is the VasudeVa wagon growing because I didn't vote for it? Is this true or false? Mith, help me.

[VasudeVa]

Because I wanted him to answer my questions first, which he kept ignoring. Then Hoopla came along and did a 180 from what I saw from her in Elliland and that's that.

I usually give people the same amount of attention they do to me. If I'm town and I have a wagon on me, I generate content like a mother$@#$. Then either I die or the wagon dissipates, in which I pay even more attention to the game unless people start ignoring me again and then I lurk.

--prevedit
@Elli: Well, I don't think I'm very popular. >.> I rarely GD and only post in games. Why he knows my Town game when there are a thousand other games and thousands of other players out there is suspicious.

[Ellibereth]

Vasvasvasvasvas
There are more people than you in a game, something like at least 11 more.
He might have been reading one of those and you might have been in it, aye?
I seriously don't get how you're thinking his meta-asking is scummy, not at all. >.>

ALSO

And now, if you're town
I'm telling you that Tajo = town. Or you can just assume it for a sec.
WHo's scum on your wagon?

[VasudeVa]

Herod, possibly Seraph.

Well, yeah. But there are more games I'm not in than games I'm in. Plus again, I don't think I'm popular(or am I?) nor good enough to have someone meta me.

Why is tajo Town? I might have missed it while I was skimming and lurking.

[VasudeVa]

Oh right scum motivation would be spreading doubt to a lurker, possibly leading to my mislynch in the future.

[mith]

Hoopla: Reasons for your suspicions. Go.

Mod:

populartajo just passed the 48 hour mark as well.

[VasudeVa]

Hoopla: Reasons for your suspicions. Go.

They better be

damn

good. Like, you better quote your statistics and shit.

[Amished]

I seem to recall having a moment of clarity before the game even started.. I think it went something like this:

I've definitely played with Pom, not sure about you, Plum.

I have 5 bucks saying VV will be the lynch D1 in 11 though >_>

@Kitty: Let's lynch Sotty D2 then? *cough cough*

Mostly because I figured that if he's town (which just general odds say so from pre-game) the scum would happen upon him eventually and a wagon would build. Especially with the other cast of characters in the game he's an especially easy target comparatively.

I for one will not support a VV wagon and anybody who does join it will fall under intense scrutiny in my (ever increasingly limited) playtime.

[Herodotus]

Vas, your Hoopla-connection theories are silly, though I don't find them scummy. The rest of you is suspect.

Your current refusal to answer looks like something your scumbuddies coached you to do. I do believe your claim that you feel overwhelmed in this game; the same thing happened to me in my first large game (last year's /in-vitational.) But if you felt out of place and overwhelmed and you were a townie, I think you would want to answer the question, instead of picking a fight over it. Only your scumbuddies telling you in your QT to stand your ground would likely give you the inclination to refuse.

I also don't see what you're referring to when you say that you've scumhunted populartajo. You've just asked him what game of yours he's referring to for your town meta. Does Tajo look scummy to you? You seem to be oscillating between him being suspicious and his vote being something that the scum latched onto. (I'm referring to your posts prior to Elli's question in post 587, naturally.)

Well, yeah. But there are more games I'm not in than games I'm in. Plus again, I don't think I'm popular(or am I?) nor good enough to have someone meta me.

That is absurd on multiple levels.

As far as bet-hedging is concerned, IF both Hoopla and Vas are town, then I feel like a Hoopla-mislynch would be more informative than a Vas-mislynch. But Vas is by far likelier to be scum, and lynching scum is the point.

Um, so is the VasudeVa wagon growing because I didn't vote for it? Is this true or false? Mith, help me.

It's possible, but I'd be on it either way.
Although if you voted Vas, he might suspect himself of being your scumbuddy.

[Herodotus]

@Amished: you do realize that attitude is pure suicide for any town when Vas is scum, right? Are you able to evaluate the points against him? You sound like you have meta knowledge about him -- why base your idea of his alignment on pregame odds if you're more knowledgeable than the rest of us regarding him?

[SpyreX]

God in heaven I agree with Hero. Cats and dogs.

"see I called this before the game started" means less than absolutely nothing - it is the worst kind of the worst meta. The shield.

This is even more awesome with a janitor in play - knowing chances are real high you can't get nailed to the wall for it.

[populartajo]

shameless anitprod post.

tomorrow full reread.