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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:22 pm

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Friend wrote:I think you're probably right, I didn't even think about that. Those players are...sottyrulez and who? Maybe the smoke is scummy reads and the light is town reads from the players? Just a thought, it's probably not good to speculate anyways.

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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:10 pm

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I think that means I'm right.
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:14 pm

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Yeah, I agree with you there.

We should watch who gets smoke/sunlight and act upon that.
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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:23 pm

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Friend needs moar votes.

In other news, I reread and sebguer might need some rope. The first time through I missed post 102, which, while in a vacuum might not be particularly scummy, in context is shifty as hell.

Take a look at this exchange:
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Unvote

Vote: Furcolow[/b[

There is no way this guy is not scum. Seriously, just glance over his posts. He's either scum or an idiot. I'm sure he's going to be like "GAH, LOOK AT SEBGUER, TRYING TO LYNCH ME WHEN I AM HELPING TOWN WITH MY STUPID IDEAS AND POINTLESS POSTS INCLUDING POKER ANALOGIES THAT NO ONE BUT ME THINKS ARE INTERESTING. SCUM!"

I rest my case.
So he is either scum or an idiot. Why do you pick scum over idiot?
Sebguer wrote:Because lynching either is a plus?

He's scummier than anyone else who has posted.
Socrates wrote:Yes. Mislynching, always a plus.
Sebguer wrote:He's declaring someone's 98% scum from four posts. One of those posts was an RVS of Furc, the second was a "why do I need to justify my RVS?", third was "policy lynches are better for a vig to do", and last was calling out Furc's bullshit.

Furc is scum.
Let me simplify that for you:

That awesome guy: why is he scum and not just dumb?
Mister shifty: I don't care which he is.
That awesome guy: That's dumb.
Mister shifty: He is definitely scum for these reasons: blah blah blah.

The important observation here is that when I challenged his answer to my question, he didn't back up his answer or try and justify it,
he changed his answer
. Regardless of the veracity of his arguments (which I happen to think are crap anyway), it is different than the initial one he gave. He's probably scum that wanted to get in on the easy wagon. Scummy.
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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:10 pm

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Socrates I'll follow you to the gates of hell this game.
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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:57 pm

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Socrates, what do you think about Fate's bogus "timing" argument?
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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:12 pm

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HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE GREAT SOCRATES.

SOCRATES, LET ME ANSWER FOR YOU AS YOU ARE FAR ABOVE US MERE MORTALS:

"I frankly don't care as there is enough other evidence of you being scum that I'll take all the votes I can get.

Aka, my case is better than his argument, so you're scum either way, good friend."
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:16 pm

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But his case only consists of one point as far as I can tell and I've clarified said point multiple times.
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:19 pm

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mothrax wrote:So let me get this straight, I am scum because I called a player out for pushing a policy lynch on D1, which is something that is scummy, and for calling someone out on AtE? Really? Awesome craplogic guys.
Oh I don't think I ever responded to this. That's not why you're scum. You're scum because you came in 8 pages in to the game and your post was "OMG ani policy lynch vote: ani" without anything else behind it. Also for saying AtE is scummy and using it yourself.

Mothrax is scum guys.
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:34 pm

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@Fate: I don't care about any meta. So, I won't just laugh and say "oh, meta" at your posts. You're seriously getting to my nerves now.
Please try to get serious.
animorpherv1 wrote:Yeah, I agree with you there.

We should watch who gets smoke/sunlight and act upon that.
Outguessing the mod = BAD
What if, smoke and light are unrelated to alignment (or related in an unusually complex way), we lynch someone with smoke, then someone with light, and both are town?
Outguessing the mod contains often lots of WIFOM, and while needed at experimental mechanics games like this, might be severely misleading if used the wrong way.
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:31 pm

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Friend wrote:Socrates, what do you think about Fate's bogus "timing" argument?
Fate, The Voice of Socrates, Herald to the unwashed masses, has spoken. I seen no need to trouble myself with this issue.

It's very much in character for Fate, and is an argument I am not unsympathetic towards. You deployed a meta on an unfamiliar character with no further attempt to asses his motivations, giving the impression that you are not really worried that he is scum. Its an easy read for scum to fabricate, but one would normally expect a townie to be more paranoid. Compare to pacman's last post.
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:41 pm

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This game is turning out to be way more frustrating than expected.

Socrates, thoughts on mothrax? He's been hypocritical, active-lurky, and a whole lot scummier than I feel I have been.

I understand your point about Fate but he's
not
an unfamiliar character as I said earlier. He's getting on my nerves cause he's tunneling and rude and making up stuff about me being/not being online, but I can see how it could come from both Fate-town and Fate-scum.
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:04 pm

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I'm wondering if that has to do with the realization that contemplating things you can't possibly know, but I don't think it was. It might have to do with you talking about smoke being negative and put out by the hidden demon, and light being put out by the person who is good and on our side (I hope one of them is). I was really hoping that he would put light on my policy post of zwessenschwesser. I didn't get smoke on that post, though, whereas a lot of posts that have been about policy lynches have.
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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:09 pm

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vote: furcolow

you are a terrible player
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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:47 am

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Question: why is there a wagon on Friend? What has he done to warrant a wagon?
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:05 am

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mothrax wrote:The difference is ani's AtE was based on all town being idiots and that is the kind of glaring overstatement that reads as scummy to me. Mine was based in those voting for me using craplogic. I have more to say concerning ani's policy push but I am on my phone ATM.
No. This is just really stretching for an excuse to pin someone up against scum. AtE is a null-tell. Trying to pin it as any other way, especially that reaction which could be read as town if anything, is really getting you major scumpoints.
animorpherv1 wrote:Yeah, I agree with you there.

We should watch who gets smoke/sunlight and act upon that.
You REALLY think the Mod would give away alignments in VCs...

C'mon people. Let's not be idiots here.
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you are a terrible player
Is this an attempt to try and break the mod's mechanic? -_-
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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:28 am

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furcolow = strange behavior
fate = town meta
furcolow = number 2 on scumlist
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:38 am

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Socrates wrote:
Friend wrote:Socrates, what do you think about Fate's bogus "timing" argument?
Fate, The Voice of Socrates, Herald to the unwashed masses, has spoken. I seen no need to trouble myself with this issue.

It's very much in character for Fate, and is an argument I am not unsympathetic towards. You deployed a meta on an unfamiliar character with no further attempt to asses his motivations, giving the impression that you are not really worried that he is scum. Its an easy read for scum to fabricate, but one would normally expect a townie to be more paranoid. Compare to pacman's last post.
@Soc: I thought tiny text was forbidden.
Also, what do you mean at referring to my last post? I don't entirely understand that part.
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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:39 am

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Furcolow wrote:
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you are a terrible player
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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:50 am

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Great idea furc.
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:44 am

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Furcolow...
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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:59 am

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AGar wrote:
animorpherv1 wrote:Yeah, I agree with you there.

We should watch who gets smoke/sunlight and act upon that.
You REALLY think the Mod would give away alignments in VCs...

C'mon people. Let's not be idiots here.

Good point. Personally I think the VC flavor signifies the righteousness/evildoing of actions rather than alignment, but not because someone is town/scum. The flavor wouldn't be so blatant as to spoil alignment.

At this point I'm willing to lynch Furcolow Day 1 to see what the flip says and to get rid of a distracting VI, unless he manages to make some distinctively pro-town actions, and if he continues to act erratically like this. For now I want to keep pressure on ani, however (because pressure voting Furcolow doesn't make him slip up anymore than he already does).
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:02 am

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AGar wrote:
animorpherv1 wrote:Yeah, I agree with you there.

We should watch who gets smoke/sunlight and act upon that.
You REALLY think the Mod would give away alignments in VCs...

C'mon people. Let's not be idiots here.
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:09 am

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furcolow's strangeness = amusing, not strictly scummy
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:26 am

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Wraith wrote:Good point. Personally I think the VC flavor signifies the righteousness/evildoing of actions rather than alignment, but not because someone is town/scum. The flavor wouldn't be so blatant as to spoil alignment.
I think the VC flavor indicates something different from that.

However, given that you think what you just said, why aren't you all over wanting to lynch Beefster, since my vote for him and the explanation is what got the specialest glow and so on?

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