NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[Mysterio]

I'm a cop. Breadcrumb in iso 23 "Could Of Played". Will post more at around 9:30 CST.

Link the post, please.

[Xite91]

Wow, I just realized I'm an idiot, so now I caught the breadcrumb, but that's too easy for ANYONE to do.

[danakillsu]

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Those words are capitalized where it makes no sense to capitalize words unless you are breadcrumbing. The fact that I knew I was claiming cop back then makes it more likely to you that either I am cop or scum have fakeclaims and I haven't been in a Large Normal where scum have fakeclaims. Therefore, it makes it more likely to you that I was actually cop, since I knew that was what I was going to claim. I didn't want all the attention that I have recieved at the beginning, but am so sure that Furcolow is scum that I was not going to just let all his self-contradictions sit there. The fact of my many posts do make me more likely cop than scum to you, I believe, since scum have even more reason to lay low.

[Mysterio]

None of that exposition was necessary, nor does it even help your case. The fact is we have to unvote simply because we can't know either way. Thing is, if you're not a cop, you'll be outed soon enough. So, no harm in letting you live for now.

Unvote

[nhammen]

I saw the claim, so I'm going to:

UNVOTE: dana
VOTE: Wraith

Unfortunately I keep falling asleep while trying to read the game, so other comments will wait until I wake up.

[Bunnylover]

None of that exposition was necessary, nor does it even help your case. The fact is we have to unvote simply because we can't know either way. Thing is, if you're not a cop, you'll be outed soon enough. So, no harm in letting you live for now.

Unvote

Actually no. I'm more then sure in this large game number their will be a mafia roleblocker, who could possible stop him from invistgating. I would suggest if we have a tracker to track him to see if he visits anyone, or if he is visit by someone, I think it works both way right?

[Xite91]

None of that exposition was necessary, nor does it even help your case. The fact is we have to unvote simply because we can't know either way. Thing is, if you're not a cop, you'll be outed soon enough. So, no harm in letting you live for now.

Unvote

Actually no. I'm more then sure in this large game number their will be a mafia roleblocker, who could possible stop him from invistgating. I would suggest if we have a tracker to track him to see if he visits anyone, or if he is visit by someone, I think it works both way right?

I think this is a good idea, only problem is that it outs at least 2 PRs
Also, a doc will probably try to protect a cop, so the tracker says he targeted some (if he's IS a cop), and was targeted by XXXX and XXXX (a blocker and a doc or a goon and a doc or etc etc) or even more than that.
With this there are two outed PR's for sure (cop and tracker), then out a doc OR get a doc lynched all in exchange for 1 out of probably between 5 and 7 scum depending on how they're set up.

Also you have to keep in mind that most of the time trackers get who they visited and watchers get who visited them, but there are cases with trackers doing both

[Bunnylover]

None of that exposition was necessary, nor does it even help your case. The fact is we have to unvote simply because we can't know either way. Thing is, if you're not a cop, you'll be outed soon enough. So, no harm in letting you live for now.

Unvote

Actually no. I'm more then sure in this large game number their will be a mafia roleblocker, who could possible stop him from invistgating. I would suggest if we have a tracker to track him to see if he visits anyone, or if he is visit by someone, I think it works both way right?

I think this is a good idea, only problem is that it outs at least 2 PRs
Also, a doc will probably try to protect a cop, so the tracker says he targeted some (if he's IS a cop), and was targeted by XXXX and XXXX (a blocker and a doc or a goon and a doc or etc etc) or even more than that.
With this there are two outed PR's for sure (cop and tracker), then out a doc OR get a doc lynched all in exchange for 1 out of probably between 5 and 7 scum depending on how they're set up.

Also you have to keep in mind that most of the time trackers get who they visited and watchers get who visited them, but there are cases with trackers doing both

The doctor doesn't have to protect, that his/her choice. Reason been is because the mafia would assume that the doctor would protect the cop, which would mean they wouldn't try and kill him/her, they would just roleblock the doctor, making us kill him since he didn't get to invisitgate anyone, and them getting the ability to still night lynch. Which means the mafia now has a 50/50 chance of hitting the cop, it all depends if they want to risk thinking that the doctor didn't protect him.
Also, I probably doubt their is only one cop role in this game, since its 24 people probably their more invisitgating people

[Xite91]

The doctor doesn't have to protect, that his/her choice. Reason been is because the mafia would assume that the doctor would protect the cop, which would mean they wouldn't try and kill him/her, they would just roleblock the doctor, making us kill him since he didn't get to invisitgate anyone, and them getting the ability to still night lynch. Which means the mafia now has a 50/50 chance of hitting the cop, it all depends if they want to risk thinking that the doctor didn't protect him.
Also, I probably doubt their is only one cop role in this game, since its 24 people probably their more invisitgating people

Please re-explain this, I think that you mixed up some words.

[Bunnylover]

The doctor doesn't have to protect, that his/her choice. Reason been is because the mafia would assume that the doctor would protect the cop, which would mean they wouldn't try and kill him/her, they would just roleblock the doctor, making us kill him since he didn't get to invisitgate anyone, and them getting the ability to still night lynch. Which means the mafia now has a 50/50 chance of hitting the cop, it all depends if they want to risk thinking that the doctor didn't protect him.
Also, I probably doubt their is only one cop role in this game, since its 24 people probably their more invisitgating people

Please re-explain this, I think that you mixed up some words.

Yeah I even read it and I was confused lol.
Mafia will most likely roleblock the cop, but won't kill him because people were saying if he doesn't find anything, we shall lynch him.
So mafia can use their night kill on someone else, have us kill the cop, then have them night kill another person.
This is something I would do if I were mafia, but now that we mentioned the doctor role, the mafia might be afraid of hitting someone the doctor might be protecting, so they go after the person that would make the most sense, the cop (some complicated thinking involved, mainly the doctor won't protect the cop because its too obvious of a kill).

[Xite91]

"people were saying if he doesn't find anything, we shall lynch him."

Who said that?

[Furcolow]

wow, you all realize believed that fakeclaim and breadcrumb? *facepalm*

[xRECKONERx]

Why shouldn't we, Furcolow?

[xRECKONERx]

I'm looking for any reason to disbelieve it.

[Wickedestjr]

I still believe that Danakillsu is town. The only thing I have a problem with is that the breadcrumb was made after he got seven votes. Dana, why did you wait until after you got many votes to breadcrumb your role?

[Shanba]

Unvote

Some very strange reactions to the claim. I'm not willing to lynch a claimed cop for what amounts to a semi-decent for day 1 case.

Anyway, this is only a good thing in terms of creating the info we're going to need later in the game. Thus far we've had 1 wagon with a couple of sideshows (furcolow).

xite, do you believe the claim or not? It wasn't entirely clear to me from your post where you mentioned it.

[Wickedestjr]

@ Wick: I could have sworn I did say that neither seem townie before when I was confronted the first time, but I probably implied it :<.

I thought you were saying that you thought they both seemed townish?

And no, I was just stating that people would start attacking to show how some people player style were which are to pressure and tunnel on the smallest thing.

What?

And the last thing, that wasn't what I was trying to say. I was saying that I don't see why I am getting confronted for "lurking" when their are several more people who haven't posted and yet no one has called them out for "lurking".

Do you find the players accusing you of lurking to be suspicious?

[singersigner]

wow, you all realize believed that fakeclaim and breadcrumb? *facepalm*

Haven't we all been saying that it's not necessarily a belief in the claim, but more so a disbelief in lynching a claimed cop D1? Most of it's been skepticism, with Bunnylover basically laying out why it would be unwise to lynch him D1, anyway. I don't know why you would think otherwise...

Stop acting like you

know

you've got scum; both his and your cases on each other were weak. If I didn't know any better, I'd say you two are playing some wacked up scum-team game with each other, crucifying one to make the other look that much more innocent.

[Porochaz]

Fair enough. I like my vote for Bunny Lover though. This isn't the first time I have seen a player say that they have nothing to comment on, but this is page 11, so there's really no excuse. I'm also just shocked that she doesn't have anything to say about Dana or Furcolow.

He . And I have commented on their agurment, saying it gave me a headache, because honestly I just found it dumb. But why only focus on those two? There is several people who have commented on other people play style, but it seem everyone who confronts me always ask why I haven't commented on them two :<. Honestly neither of those two people seem scum to me, thats my opinion on them. Now I predict about 7 people are going to attack me because I said that. If I have something to say/comment on/defend/attack or w/e I will post. Out of 24 people, I'm more then sure not all of them have posted, I am confident to say at least 15 people have posted out of 24, but yes lets focus on the guy who is posting, just not anything that is worth wild.

Whilst I'm drunk and being a bit of a shit, you have fucked about. Its not that you have gone "oh Im going to be wimpy on this issue" its the fact that you are actively not been useful at all. Why only focus on those 2? Hey, here's a question WHY DON'T YOU FOCUS ON SOMEONE ELSE THEM, HMMM? If neither of those 2 people aren't scum, why aren't they? You havent answered that. Who is? You haven't answered that. Are you going to make an effort to even go down a different route considering you dont agree with anything said so far. No your not going to make an effort. So now you wonder when 7 people attack you. Hey, maybe 9 people haven't posted yet, but at least they have the potential to be useful. You are clearly about as useful as a deflated balloon.

You play your way and I'll play my way .
Also, if Dana isn't lieing about his claim it seems my way was more right, seeing as I did not believe he was scum.
Also I don't "focus" on people because that stupid to me, it gives a chance of mafia to join in on a lynch.
Also if I said who is scum, would they not go on the defensive? Would that not allow them to protect themselves, telling them they are playing a little to risky?
Like I said in my very very first post in the game, I don't go around voting on people who are slightly scum, I vote on people who I know are scum.

No, it's not.

You don't vote for people on minor tells. Thats fine. You don't give your opinion... at all! Thats my problem. You are not helpful.

unvote vote bunnylurker

[danakillsu]

@ Wickedest
I saw I was beginning to get a lot of votes and realized I hadn't breadcrumbed yet. I would have preferred to remember to do it earlier, I just didn't. There were a lot of votes yet to come, so it wasn't like I did it right before I claimed.

[Shanba]

Porochaz, what are your thoughts on hiphop?

[Porochaz]

I missed him, initially, which isnt suprising given his contribution, he is worse than bunnylurker.

unvote vote hiphop

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[Shanba]

hiphop, I don't really care that you think day 1 is worthless or any of that jazz. I want any and all reads you have, now.

[Shanba]

also

Vote: hiphop

[flinter]

Stopped my re-read to say I don't buy the cop claim. I can say I bread-crumbed Compulsive Self-Voter (Survivor), but that doesn't mean that I am one.

Back to reading.

God I hate this game.

I have to agree with you again. It is that I had a townread on Dana before all this happened, but I don't like the claim. A breadcrumb is practically useless as soon as you get in trouble.

If this claim is indeed fake, and there is a cop around, I would ask him not to counterclaim. It wouldn't make sense as dana wouldn't be the most valuable scum, and the cop could do some major damage to the scumteam in a large game (he stays alive for longer, and might save up a few results).

Does anybody know if the mod is known for using cops?