NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[Orochi]

Okay, sorry for not posting anything sooner, had a big weekend on to celebrate my birthday.

Between that and how fast the game got out of the blocks, I'm WAY behind, and I've got to work tomorrow morning.

Going to be catching up properly and getting to posting something legit tomorrow afternoon, and I will actually do something that resembles playing the game in my posts from then on.

Sorry again for the holdup. Anything anyone wants to actually hear an opinion on from me or ask me about with my next posts, let me know, and I'll keep it in my mind as I do my reread.

[Shanba]

Is there a reason everyone is totally ignoring my last post? I demand attention, dammit!

[Flameaxe]

Votecount 1.7

Frank [6] (Xite, Prozac, danakillsu, UA, singersigner, mysterio)

hiphop [2] (Shanba, nhammen)
Wraith [2] (ConfidAnon, Bunnylover)
Xite [1] (Frank)
danakillsu [1] (JDodge)
Prozac [1] (WickedestJr)
Singersigner [1] (flinter)

Not Voting [10] (robbnva, seth, Johnny Rotten, Orochi, Sebguer, Kise, Reck, wraith, hiphop, benmage)

24 alive, 13 to lynch, 12 to no lynch.

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Reck

, I'd rather not have to replace you unless I really need to. You sure you can't give it a go for now?

[Robbnva]

meh, just reading back I can see where hiphop's play is a little off and shanba's post made sense to me

[Xite91]

@ xite
So maybe YOU don't do stuff that way, but plenty of people do, and you don't say "that person is not human" just because they're trying to look like other humans. And sometimes it does take effort to look like what you really are, which is really my main point.

It is typically a scum trait to do things just because it looks townie, also it's very easy to breadcrumb before you're under scrutiny, for example, it's Very Tiresome to be arguing this with you (Using your style of BCing, which is terrible, in the first place). Also, it was after you were getting a bunch of votes, which is scummy in itself.

Happy Birthday Orochi!!!

[danakillsu]

@ xite
That was not a smart play. You cannot possibly say that breadcrumbing is scummy. It just doesn't make sense. It's null at worst no matter when you do it.
On the topic of "looking townie", what you say destroys the basic rules of scumhunting. It's no wonder it seems like you've had a broken scumdar this whole time. If you think only scum try to look townie, then you think townies don't care how they look. If you think townies don't care how they look, then the townie ones are the scum and the scummy ones are the town. Are you kidding me?

[Xite91]

@ xite
That was not a smart play. You cannot possibly say that breadcrumbing is scummy. It just doesn't make sense. It's null at worst no matter when you do it.
On the topic of "looking townie", what you say destroys the basic rules of scumhunting. It's no wonder it seems like you've had a broken scumdar this whole time. If you think only scum try to look townie, then you think townies don't care how they look. If you think townies don't care how they look, then the townie ones are the scum and the scummy ones are the town. Are you kidding me?

Oh? How have i had a "broken scumdar?"
Are you saying you disagree with my reads? And which ones?
Unless this is just an attempt to discredit me.

When you do things to deliberately look like town, then you're usually scum. Town are usually not too worried about how they look if it means catching scum. AKA I don't mind playing VI if I can get scum caught. And I know of quite a few players that would agree on that. Thing is it's only really new players that do deliberate things to look town as town, and remember how much experience you had?

And breadcrumbing can be scummy and it can be townie and it can be null.
When it's scummy is when you're already getting a lot of attention/votes AND THEN start breadcrumbing, because it looks like a response to the attacks so that you can claim when you get to L-1 or L-2

[danakillsu]

@xite
All you've done is restate your opinion, which I've already proven to be illogical. It's not only new players that do deliberate things to look town as town, because that wouldn't make sense. If you're not trying to look town as town, you're not helping your team, because they will not listen to scummy players when they give their scumreads. Your reads have been all over the place, and I have not agreed with them in general. I believe I can get at least a fair amount of agreement from the other players on the first point.

[UltimaAvalon]

@Dana: Proven how? Stating your opinion doesn't "prove" anything. The only real way to prove your argument is to cite examples from other games.

Secondly, There's a difference between acting town-like, and deliberately acting town-like. And it's not entirely accurate to say that simply because someone isn't trying to act town that they're automatically acting scummy. You'll find there's actually a large margin between the two

[Xite91]

First, Frank is also scum
Dana could just be really bad town, but depending on other flips could be scum too.
Wraith is scum.
Jdodge is possible scum.

......

Okay, so my scum list

Frank
Wraith
Bunny

My not-so-sure but still suspicious of them being scum list

Dana
Jdodge
Hiphop

So, yeah

Oh, lemme add one more to that not so sure, but possibly scummy thing
singersigner

Are you going to bring in any new ideas of your own after being gone?

What is that, three scum caught at least?

First, please don't start a D1 no-lynch argument, check out some of my games to see how well that works out. (AKA a lot of noise, and a No-lynch is NEVER good on D1, especially without an open setup)

Next, People I'm going to look at when Frank flips scum;
Flinter
Jdodge
HipHop
Rob
Wraith

***Disclaimer! This is based on gut, do what you will with it***

singersigner - VI
UA - scum
wickedestjr - scum with nhammen and bunnylover possibly

wraith - townie read
xite - vig hit please

xreckonerx - I don't have a scum read on him

I lol'd at bolded
Wraith for obvreasons

So how are they all over the place?

[Xite91]

@Dana: Proven how? Stating your opinion doesn't "prove" anything. The only real way to prove your argument is to cite examples from other games.

Secondly, There's a difference between acting town-like, and deliberately acting town-like. And it's not entirely accurate to say that simply because someone isn't trying to act town that they're automatically acting scummy. You'll find there's actually a large margin between the two

Hey UA? Can you be my ambassador/interpreter? You speak my thoughts so well when I can't find a way to say it

[UltimaAvalon]

I dont think you can afford my services

[Xite91]

I dont think you can afford my services

Oh come on it can't be too bad.

[UltimaAvalon]

Wait a minute. Was Frank the first one to bring up multiple scum groups? On Day 1? Why is he not dead yet?

[danakillsu]

@UA
Proven by the fact that this game does have methods for catching scum. xite's ideas go against those methods. And I did not mean to say that in such a scenario the town players would play scummy, I only meant to say that they would always be scummiER than the actual scum, who are trying to look town. It makes any notion of townie and scummy useless.

[danakillsu]

I don't know why Frank isn't dead yet! I've been trying to get him lynched for forever...

[UltimaAvalon]

No. TRYING to look Town is what makes you looks scummy, because Scum HAVE to act like Town in order to live. If you're Town, you only have to not look like Scum. And there is a lot of grey in between these two concepts

[Xite91]

EBWOP, this was supposed to be at the beginning of post 484 lulz

@xite
All you've done is restate your opinion, which I've already proven to be illogical. It's not only new players that do deliberate things to look town as town, because that wouldn't make sense. If you're not trying to look town as town, you're not helping your team, because they will not listen to scummy players when they give their scumreads. Your reads have been all over the place, and I have not agreed with them in general. I believe I can get at least a fair amount of agreement from the other players on the first point.

Considering you're dragging on the conversation and I'm being consistent? I'm trying to restate my opinion and general scumreads so that your feeble mind can understand them.
Second, here is a recap of my scumreads

[Wraith]

Breadcrumb spotted. It's a null-tell IMO.

[UltimaAvalon]

[Xite91]

@UA
Proven by the fact that this game does have methods for catching scum. xite's ideas go against those methods. And I did not mean to say that in such a scenario the town players would play scummy, I only meant to say that they would always be scummiER than the actual scum, who are trying to look town. It makes any notion of townie and scummy useless.

Wrong, town are townie by nature, and by not being worried about looking town, they usually do a damn good job of looking town. Trying to look town is scummy, because that's what scum do.

I don't know why Frank isn't dead yet! I've been trying to get him lynched for forever...

This could have something to do with it

No. TRYING to look Town is what makes you looks scummy, because Scum HAVE to act like Town in order to live. If you're Town, you only have to not look like Scum. And there is a lot of grey in between these two concepts

*Sigh* I think I'm in love... waaaaiiiit, I have a policy against self voters.......

[Wraith]

Didn't see anyone bring it up so I thought I'd point it out.

[Xite91]

Bring what up??? lol Didn't see what the point of slopoke was in the first place, still don't get it now
And it was two posts after the pic was posted that you're "pointing it out"

[UltimaAvalon]

The thing he was pointing out was the breadcrumb. Slowpoke indicates that he's.....really really slow

[Xite91]

I dont think that's really a breadcrumb
also the pic was posted after he said he spotted one