Last Will Mafia II (Over)

[Kmd4390]

Ok, what did I do to those quote tags.

Mod, can I have those fixed please?

[Charlie]

Huh? He vpte SSBF? I can't sheep that, I'm not a mindless drone you know. I'll think for myself too. And SSBF, along with Xite91, I thought was town. Still do.

He did FoS Richard though. That's good enough for me!

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

RichardGHP (11) - Ythan, Super Smash Bros. Fan, jahudo, Chronopie, Nachomamma8, Charlie, Battousai
Super Smash Bros. Fan (7) - Amished, Rhinox, Xite91, Plum, MichelSabelheart, kmd4390
Charlie (2) - RichardGHP, Locke Lamora
Ythan (1) - animorpherv1
animorpherv1 (1) - eurospiritus

Not Voting (1) - holycon

[Kmd4390]

Charlie, how sure are you of those 3 town reads?

[Xite91]

@Kmd - My read on you is almost purely from gut, but the semi-active lurking was really helping that read a lot.

[Battousai]

Deadline is in 6 days. I see no reason why we have to drag the rest of the day on. We have a lot of communication for today and any questions/arguments can be settled tomorrow. This game is still stagnating, but with a lynch and mod confirmed inormation, it may pick up a bit.

[Xite91]

@Bat - Okay, lets lynch SSBF.

But seriously, there's still info that could be gotten, especially right before deadline, but eh.

[Amished]

@Batt: If a Richard lynch could not happen today, whom would you like to see get lynched instead?

[Amished]

@Mod: Can we have an extension due to holy needing to be replaced yet?

[Charlie]

Not as strong as MichelSablehart and yourself, kmd4390.

[Battousai]

@Bat - Okay, lets lynch SSBF.

But seriously, there's still info that could be gotten, especially right before deadline, but eh.

Dragged out, hardly used, and probably could be gotten tomorrow, but ya there is still some information but there is such a thing as TOO MUCH DATA. I don't think that is a problem here, but squeezing out the day to get that last bit just hurts the game as a whole, IMO.


Amished- The person who I found scummy and voted for before trying to end the day- xite.

[Xite91]

@Bat - Okay, lets lynch SSBF.

But seriously, there's still info that could be gotten, especially right before deadline, but eh.

Dragged out, hardly used, and probably could be gotten tomorrow, but ya there is still some information but there is such a thing as TOO MUCH DATA. I don't think that is a problem here, but squeezing out the day to get that last bit just hurts the game as a whole, IMO.


Amished- The person who I found scummy and voted for before trying to end the day- xite.

I can understand that first part, except that there's still a good amount of discussion going on, if there wasn't I wouldn't mind just trying to end the day... with an SSBF lynch.

[esuriospiritus]

Augh. Trying to catch up is making my eyes bleed.

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Would someone be kind and summarize the cases on Richard and SSBF so I know what I'm looking for as I catch up? I'm currently up to page 17. SSBF reads as town and Richard as null-leaning-scum to me, but obviously I'm missing 40+ pages of info. <_<

[Kmd4390]

Xite, examples of active lurking please.

[LlamaFluff]

@Mod: Can we have an extension due to holy needing to be replaced yet?

~If I find a replacement before deadline, it may be extended accordingly. If I cannot find a replacement, deadline stands.

[Amished]

@Esurio: Essentially Richard boils down to having claimed a CPR doc (so essentially a vig) and not using it N1 for bogus reasons, then claiming to have targeted millar N2 (with a Ythan CC'ing a kill on millar) but millar still dying.

SSBF is more on his stances; Xite and I come to mind with the biggest evidence being posted against him IIRC; but since I'm already convinced of SSBF-scum I haven't really been paying attention to points brought against him lately.

[Xite91]

Xite, examples of active lurking please.

Really?
You're posting only when there are things that pertain to you, or in this most recent case, to defend someone, other than that, you seem to not really play. Is that not the definition of active lurking?
Also, if SSBF flips scum, you're scum.

[Kmd4390]

Amished, what? The case on richard comes from his claim and not his awful play? The claim is what changed my mind on richard.

Xite, I'm not gonna respond to every little bit of the thread. I'm not mastin. Also, if I was scum with smash bras, why wouldn't I just push the richard lynch with some bogus "more information" kind of reason?

[Xite91]

Amished, what? The case on richard comes from his claim and not his awful play? The claim is what changed my mind on richard.

Xite, I'm not gonna respond to every little bit of the thread. I'm not mastin. Also, if I was scum with smash bras, why wouldn't I just push the richard lynch with some bogus "more information" kind of reason?

First, I don't think you have to respond to EVERYTHING, but why not comment on more than just the really big things going on? How about some points for/against people other than the two leading wagons?
Also, it was the way he was townie to you, but when he was put under a good amount of votes and suspicion, you suddenly changed your thoughts on him.

[LlamaFluff]

holycon has returned and does not need replacement

[holycon]

hey guys i'm going to be doing a bit of catch up and hopefully have a post for you in the next few days

[RichardGHP]

Also, if SSBF flips scum, you're scum.

Don't like comments like these. What makes you sure beyond reasonable doubt that one person can be mafia based entirely on someone else's roleflip?

[Nachomamma8]

@Mod: Can we have an extension due to holy needing to be replaced yet?

No. No extension.

This day has been dragged out long enough. There has been a kill claimed, and a kill counterclaimed.

You either believe the claimer, or the counterclaimer, or you have a good reason for why both are town. All of these outside votes (SSBF voters, I'm looking at you) should NOT exist because I know I sure as hell haven't heard a good reason for both Richard and Ythan town yet.

Just hammer already :/

[Xite91]

Also, if SSBF flips scum, you're scum.

Don't like comments like these. What makes you sure beyond reasonable doubt that one person can be mafia based entirely on someone else's roleflip?

It's based on their actions toward said person.
Besides I gave the reason in 1518, didn't I?
Why are you selectively reading?
Also, what makes you bring it up just now?

@Mod: Can we have an extension due to holy needing to be replaced yet?

No. No extension.

This day has been dragged out long enough. There has been a kill claimed, and a kill counterclaimed.

You either believe the claimer, or the counterclaimer, or you have a good reason for why both are town. All of these outside votes (SSBF voters, I'm looking at you) should NOT exist because I know I sure as hell haven't heard a good reason for both Richard and Ythan town yet.

Just hammer already :/

What's wrong with us not tunneling on two people?
Also, we gave our reasons to wait on a lynch on either of them, and there's plenty of things that could have gone wrong, which is why I'm not putting my vote back on richard just yet. I want to see what happens tonight, hey it could save two townies, ya never know.

Also, you may not know it, but SSBF is the lynch for today

[Amished]

Amished, what? The case on richard comes from his claim and not his awful play? The claim is what changed my mind on richard.

Xite, I'm not gonna respond to every little bit of the thread. I'm not mastin. Also, if I was scum with smash bras, why wouldn't I just push the richard lynch with some bogus "more information" kind of reason?

That's largely what pushed Richard into scum territory rather than "you play like a 4 year old" territory for me. It's one of the biggest pieces of information from the mod (essentially) and therefore one of the least subjective.

For the second part: who (if anybody) falls under the "more information" reasoning, and how does that make you feel about Richard?