Note for everybody: my most important comment to a vast majority of the people in the game in this post is the stuff before the Metacomments. Feel free to read the other stuff also, which is a bunch of comments to EmpTyger.
armlx wrote:Unvote
Vote Thok
Puzzle checks out with my PM, and asking not to be investigated???
Have you even read what I'm saying? I don't mind being investigated a small number of times-I've even said so in post 297, but I shouldn't be the only person investigated tonight.
unvote Puzzle
whose pm (and unit info) does check out with me also, and
FOS armlx
for blatantly misinterpreting the point of my comments.
And so I don't put this off any longer: a long discussion for EmpTyger.
Metacomment 1: Discussing successful cop investigation percentages is boring. Moreover, your way of doing it by mindlessly computing binomial coefficients is stupidly inefficient; just say something about the Central Limit Theorem and approximate everything by the appropriate Gaussian. Doing computations for computation sake makes it look you are doing something when you are just wasting time and annoying half of town.
Metacomment 2: The other danger of doing mindless computation is that you forget to do things like check to see that your assumptions are valid and causes you to forget other factors. All of your effort at computing numbers didn't help you break the game; your no-lynch plan fell apart (according to you) because you forgot to take into account roleblockers. DON'T START COMPUTING UNTIL YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT MODEL!!!
I still stand by my laziness comment. I was originally worried that you hadn't thought of the possible consequence of the no-lynch plan. I realized that my comments weren't going to convince anybody and you seemed sure of it's ability to work, so I decided it wasn't worth trying to point out possible flaws. When you suddenly stopped supporting it, I wasn't convinced that the problems with role blockers were as big a flaw as you thought they were; hence my comment. Again, if I had been paying more attention, I would have mentioned something about role blockers.
My comment about Newbie 128 was to point out that in a similar situation, as scum, you specifically encouraged town to stop discussing suspicions while discussing no-lynch. Moreover, you know that we have differing opinions on this. I thought then that you might be scum, attempting to control town in a similar manner to what happened in Newbie 128, and that you expected me to notice and put in the random FOS as a bit of a joke towards me, preemptively recognizing the connection to Newbie 128; something like you saying "I'm scum, but you can't catch me Thok". Please note that such a joke is perfectly consistent with your scum playstyle, Mr. "It's a JOKE!" (And to retroactively preempt you asking about why I'm bringing that up, I'll explain that as scum you do tend to periodically do oddish things like tell jokes that get you into trouble).
If you had random FOSed anybody else at the start, or simply random voted me, I would not have reacted so violently. Similarly, if you hadn't tried to discourage other discussion in that post (which can only help scum-we aren't in any danger of mislynching a valuable power role or revealling a valuable role to scum, given that everybody is roughly the same power).
My day 1 comment was a misstatement-I should have said that I'm not that useful of an "early" day 1 player-I'm more useful once something happens that gives me information. (At this point of the game, I actually have a decent amount of info). I did have a decent amount of info in the Holdem Mini-I knew that we had a failed kill the previous night and hence likely we had to worry about a doc (which was true but turned out to be not the reason for the failed kill), and that there was likely an SK on the loose, and that something was causing players to be roleblocked. Moreover being scum, I also knew the alignment of all of the other players (well, except for the SK, but that didn't really matter from my point of view). I still managed to partially misanalyze everything! In this game I don't have anywhere near the type of info at the beginning of this game, especially given that I'm protown in this game (of course, you can't make the last assumption).
EmpTyger wrote:
Thok [297] wrote:<snip> Also, EmpTyger, don't try to convince everybody to investigate me tonight; I don't mind 1-3 people investigating me tonight, but 7 or more investigations of me is a little redundant.<snip>
Adorable. Though for the record, if it were up to me to convince others, I wouldn’t have investigations wasted on you. I’ll let Vesuvan have fun with your two “tells”: trying to orchestrate nightactions and also putting words in my mouth.
I probably was a little too harsh with my comments there. However, my point does stand; even if it's not your intention, repeatedly accusing me of being scum has the possibility of drawing more investigations to me than should be warranted, and I thought the danger of having 10 or 15 investigations of me (which would waste some of towns resources) was enough to point out the possibility. I should have been less sarcastic.
I haven't made any comments about the interpretation of me not being bandwagoned early, and I don't want to yet (this post is already long enough). I'll add some comments about that later. Also, let me know if there's any details I've missed; I'm sure you want me to counter every single detail possible.
