hiphop wrote:Also there is no evidence that there is a three-man scum team yet you have no problem saying there is one.
I think pretty much everyone has been talking about a three-man scum team in the game. I just figured three-man scum teams would be standard in a 12 player game. (Like, in newbie games the town:scum ratio is 7:2, so it makes sense that it would be 9:3 in a slightly larger game...it's not in the wiki, but it seems like it would keep things fair that way.) Why single Charter out for talking like there are three since pretty much everyone is doing it?
I'm also lost on the SK thing.
However, even though I totally don't get the SK thing and where it came from, I do still think Charter is scum. I also think a no-lynch would be a disaster, despite what Charter would have everyone believe.
Anyway...
I've pieced together Charter's argument against XScorp, and I think it boils down to
1) Wait and See comment = Scum (ISO #6)
2) Timing of casting of vote/RVS= Scum (ISO #6)
3) Insistence of keeping vote on Robo = Scum (ISO #6)
4) Rolefishing = Scum (ISO #7)
5) Inverting questions and firing them back at Questioner = Scum (ISO #14)
These comments all strictly relate to how Charter views XScorp, and do not address any additional players. Altogether, if you read the ISO (I just paraphrased for brevity's sake--correct me if the paraphrasing is wrong.) then these five reasons serve as Charter's argument. I take back what I said about him not making an argument, though this argument is not going to convince me. I'd like to hear what other people have to say--what reasons are you using to vote for XScorp? What is your case against him? I personally don't think the Robo-vote and the Kirby-rolefish are compelling scumtells, especially since Charter himself voted Scorp, then called for a Robo lynch immediately thereafter, and a few others expressed curiosity about Kirby, though not as overtly as XScorp.
It's the fifth reason on Charter's list that tops my own list about Charter: basically anyone who has questioned or challenged his authority in any way in this game gets brought under scrutiny as scum.
I've given my argument about Charter several times already, but the crux of it boils down to these things:
1) Appears not to be hunting for scum but rather hunting for votes, as he obviously asks different people on multiple occasions if they will be willing to vote for someone he approves of voting for. Tested several wagons before settling on Scorp (including Robo), despite the fact that his vote was on Scorp from the beginning.
2) Sets people up for “scum” slots, but only people who question or challenge him; does not justify why he thinks these people are scum with legitimate reasons (legitimate reasons do not include "Charter's town and you're not, nyah-nyah" type arguments from other players).
3) Implies anyone who disagrees with him is scum and that not voting for his lynch choice makes him or her scum, which is a bullying tactic.
4) Is pre-emptively cautious:
a) i.e., votes for Scorp instead of Kirby immediately after “daykill” (even though everyone would have understood if he had voted Kirby as we were still sort of in RVS AND he might have just been day-killed) so as not to cast an OMGUS vote that could come back and haunt him later in case the daykill was fake (in all fairness, this is only my interpretation of what he did, though Spyre sees it as a definitive town-tell...so I guess it's a tell that is up to interpretation);
b) attacks people and undermines them if he perceives that they might prove to be troublesome later (and yes, I first noticed he was doing this when he did it with me; I am fully aware of that fact—but that doesn’t change that he just COULDN’T simply answer my question without first labeling me scum. He had to take the extra cautious step and label me first, before he addressed it, because my first post made a comment about something scummy he did--which he admits is scummy but boasts no one is paying attention that I pointed it out--and my second post directly questioned him.).
5) His overall tone is evasive, aggressive, and defensive, which suggests he has something to hide. Also, Robo (ISO #6) and SSBF (ISO #4) both called him out early on in the game for being too jumpy and too serious, and that nervous energy hasn't really been tamed as the game has progressed.
Therefore, in answer to your question, Hiphop, "Is the person you are voting really the person who you want to see lynched?"...my answer is Yes.
) because I don't take Lurking as a scumtell as I have said before. Hiphop did vote Zang with no backing besides the lurking. His vote wasn't right. I guess it isn't distancing then but it makes HipHop scummy still
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