Mad World: Time Travel Mafia (Game Over)

[diginova]

I'm not going to vote Mafuyu yet as it would push to L-1, but I still think Mafuyu is a good vote. See my reasons from yesterday (post 983), in addition to her first post of today... on a no-result from the cop (who is still alive?), she immediately claims JOAT who just happened to target RC as well, and then votes him on literally no information.

FOS: Mafuyu

What is the reasoning for that vote? Why is someone that is roleblocked scum?
Also, you still haven't answered my question back in 923. Please do so.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok WTF. Why isn't John Connor OR Spock a Time Traveler? I call shenanigans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_(Ter ... hronicles)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(film)#Plot

[ReaperCharlie]

Also.... hmmm... My gut is telling me that nothing is as easy as it seems.

First question I bring to the table:

Why didn't LMP die last night?

If there are multiple scum factions, they'd both want the ONLY CLAIMED COP dead.

Discuss.

[KageLord]

God, this is messed up. So many PRs... somehow I think if we had a massclaim D1 we could have figured out a way to pretty much forcibly win. I'll claim a little later. I'm just waiting on a question to the mod first.

The question on why LMP didn't die is a good one. Actually, my first thought on seeing the flips was why LMP wasn't even targeted. I wouldn't have been too surprised at a no kill or 1 kill, thinking that we might have a doc who saved the cop, but this is a doozy.

[SharkFinn]

Guys: also want to mention the possibility of SK. With this many players, sk is the most probable action.

[KageLord]

Yes, that seems pretty likely. After I make my claim, we can see how many PRs we can confirm and see who is left to possibly be SK.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh LMP:

Well, my role-blocking of LMP last night means that at least he didn't attempt to use his killing action last night, if he IS scum. Unless he's scum with SharkFinn, in which case they could have coordinated this whole thing... but that's a pretty long shot. The only way it makes sense if LMP is scum, is if he's a scum rolecop, otherwise there's pretty much no way he'd have known that he'd been blocked, by receiving a 'no-result'.

Ergo, LMP is either a legit town cop or a scum rolecop.

He is not the SK, if there is one.

On Mafuyu:
Being tracked to a dead guy is one of the best ways to be caught as scum. That's how I got caught as scum in an ongoing game that LMP and I are/were both in. I'm not gonna say anything else about that game, but it's obvious that Mafuyu has some heavy explaining to do.

@LMP:

No, I did not receive any message that my action failed, but then again, how can you mass roleblock a roleblock? If they'd have been roleblocked anyway, why bother asking me if I'd received a 'no-result' or 'failed action' notice from the mod? That doesn't make sense. FoS: LMP

On Sharkfinn:
I am 90% sure that Sharkfinn is town, regardless of LMP's alignment.

[Mafuyu]

Heavy explaining to do? Mafuyu's already done it.

[ReaperCharlie]

Shut up, Troll!

This is gonna happen exactly like I say so, because

IT'S MASS CLAIM TIME

. Full claim or be lynched.

Here's the order:

Mafuyu
diginova
LynchMePls
KageLord
crypto
SharkFinn

By the way, this includes ROLE NAME, ALIGNMENT, ABILITIES, NIGHT TARGETS, and whether or not you are a TIME-TRAVELER.

[Mafuyu]

Mafuyu claimed all of the above already except claiming Town.
Done.

Digi, you're up.

[KageLord]

Oh LMP:

Well, my role-blocking of LMP last night means that at least he didn't attempt to use his killing action last night, if he IS scum. Unless he's scum with SharkFinn, in which case they could have coordinated this whole thing... but that's a pretty long shot. The only way it makes sense if LMP is scum, is if he's a scum rolecop, otherwise there's pretty much no way he'd have known that he'd been blocked, by receiving a 'no-result'.

Ergo, LMP is either a legit town cop or a scum rolecop.

He is not the SK, if there is one.

As I had said before, I fully think he is a town cop. I don't think it would make much sense to have another scum cop anyway. Agreed that he is not SK.

[LimMePls]

God, this is messed up. So many PRs... somehow I think if we had a massclaim D1 we could have figured out a way to pretty much forcibly win. I'll claim a little later. I'm just waiting on a question to the mod first.

The question on why LMP didn't die is a good one. Actually, my first thought on seeing the flips was why LMP wasn't even targeted. I wouldn't have been too surprised at a no kill or 1 kill, thinking that we might have a doc who saved the cop, but this is a doozy.

Suggesting I wasn't even targeted is really interesting KageLord. Mafuyu was redirected, and the person she was redirected to died. Seems likely to me that Mafuyu tried to kill me and failed. The kill flavor used on Empking also suggests SK. So the question then would be "why didn't the mafia target me". There are several plausible answers to this:

1) They trusted the SK to do it.
2) They have a GF or other blocker/redirector, so they don't fear me.
3) They were afraid of watcher/protector on me.

So my question to KL is why do you assume I wasn't targeted, given the fact that we have a town redirector. How do you know Mafuyu didn't target me?

[LimMePls]

Shut up, Troll!

This is gonna happen exactly like I say so, because

IT'S MASS CLAIM TIME

. Full claim or be lynched.

Here's the order:

Mafuyu
diginova
LynchMePls
KageLord
crypto
SharkFinn

By the way, this includes ROLE NAME, ALIGNMENT, ABILITIES, NIGHT TARGETS, and whether or not you are a TIME-TRAVELER.

You can remove me from the list, I've already done this.

[diginova]

Rorschach (Watchmen)
Non-Time Traveller
Town-aligned one-shot dayvig with one-shot NK immunity.

Day: One-shot in-thread day-kill. My kill signature is "killed".
Night: One-shot bulletproof.

I haven't used the daykill, as anyone suspicious enough already had a wagon going for them, and I didn't want to waste the ability. I can use it on majority consensus now if necessary. I haven't been targeted yet at night, so that is also still active.

[LimMePls]

Rorschach (Watchmen)
Non-Time Traveller
Town-aligned one-shot dayvig with one-shot NK immunity.

Day: One-shot in-thread day-kill. My kill signature is "killed".
Night: One-shot bulletproof.

I haven't used the daykill, as anyone suspicious enough already had a wagon going for them, and I didn't want to waste the ability. I can use it on majority consensus now if necessary. I haven't been targeted yet at night, so that is also still active.

This is great news! Once we're done with the claims and we're ready to lynch Mafuyu, seems like a really great time to use it. It'll be like a free day. Double check with the mod that your shot doesn't end the day. This is awesome because it'll not only kill the likely scum, it'll pretty much confirm you, since a day-killing scum would be pretty ridiculously powerful, and scum have already flipped with power roles, so I'm not sure how much power they can have left.

[ReaperCharlie]

Awesome, digi.

If it's not too much trouble, I would like if somebody (LMP please?) put together all the claims/actions/abilities/etc together in one post in a succinctly and easy-to-read fashion. Thanks in advance, I would do it but I don't have the time atm!

Still need to full claim:

KageLord
crypto
Sharkfinn

Mod, requesting a prod on crypto

[SharkFinn]

I've full claimed...but in pieces, but here's a clarification post:

Role Name: Professor X (X-Men)
Non-Time Traveler

Ability: Mind Bend (Redirector with 2 unique parties [i.e. cant redirect scum onto themselves])

Actions:
N1: Mind Bend gandalf5166 to Zang/Mafuyu (assumption did nothing)
N2: Mind Bend LynchMePls to Robbnva (got Robb town)
N3: Mind Bend Mafuyu to Empking (Empking dies, got scum)

Reading Digi's post going to do something here in a sec.

[SharkFinn]

Totally found stuff I didnt expect

The Dead:
15. TheLonging, John Anderton (Minority Report), Town Miller lynched D1
3. MagnaOfIllusion, Dr.Quest, Town Mason shot dead N1
6. GhostWriter, Evan Treborn (The Butterfly Effect), Vanilla Townie brutally murdered N1
10. gandalf5166, Mr.Nobody, Reverse Survivor Mason ceased to exist N1*
2. Rhinox AlphaWerewolf, Temporal Protectorate Agent Number 5 (Journeyman Project), Mafia Role Cop lynched D2

11. CallMeLiam, Clare (The Time Traveler’s Wife), Town Lover simply killed N2

12. Anon, Henry DeTamble (The Time Traveler’s Wife), Town Lover committed suicide N2
13. Budja Karma, January McAndrews (Jughead’s Time Police), Mafia Isolated-Traitor Doctor brutally murdered N2
7. Robbnva Seraphim, John Connor (Terminator), Vanilla Townie modkilled D3

5. curiouskarmadog, Spock (Star Trek), Vanilla Townie simply killed N3

17. Empking, The Time Traveler (Time Machine), Vanilla Townie brutally murdered N3

Notice that Diginova said that his killflavor is killed and compare it to the bold. Next post will examine the actual death scenes to see if Dr. Quest fits there. Not saying Digi = scum, but that depends on the daykill of Mafuyu. (Didnt expect this to be there)

Shot Dead: MoI <--mafia?
Simply Killed: CML and CKD <--mafia
Brutally Murdered: Ghostwriter, Budja, and Empking. <--This is sk.

Thinking Mafuyu is SK, which will be a blessing (maybe...)

[SharkFinn]

Thinking MoI was killed by mafia for sure. hard to tell but that's the best I can do. Digi needs to daykill Mafuyu, then wait for Crypto/KL to fullclaim.

[KageLord]

God, this is messed up. So many PRs... somehow I think if we had a massclaim D1 we could have figured out a way to pretty much forcibly win. I'll claim a little later. I'm just waiting on a question to the mod first.

The question on why LMP didn't die is a good one. Actually, my first thought on seeing the flips was why LMP wasn't even targeted. I wouldn't have been too surprised at a no kill or 1 kill, thinking that we might have a doc who saved the cop, but this is a doozy.

Suggesting I wasn't even targeted is really interesting KageLord. Mafuyu was redirected, and the person she was redirected to died. Seems likely to me that Mafuyu tried to kill me and failed. The kill flavor used on Empking also suggests SK. So the question then would be "why didn't the mafia target me". There are several plausible answers to this:

1) They trusted the SK to do it.
2) They have a GF or other blocker/redirector, so they don't fear me.
3) They were afraid of watcher/protector on me.

So my question to KL is why do you assume I wasn't targeted, given the fact that we have a town redirector. How do you know Mafuyu didn't target me?

I took it for granted that Mafuyu wasn't lying about that, but I suppose you are right that she could have targeted you as SK and been redirected. I find her claim odd though for a fakeclaim, unless it was given by the mod.

1) I don't think that's the case. SK investigation usually gives town result, doesn't it? If so, no need to kill the cop. Actually, might be better off not doing it if the cop can say he's town in the thread.

2) Possible. Multiple blockers/redirectors in one game though? I suppose with the number of PRs, it's not too much of a stretch.

3) More likely.
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Hold on just one sec on the vig though (just long enough for Mafuyu's answer on this question). You said you could make someone a vig, right? Do they only get notified that they have become a vig at night or can you make it happen on this day?

Nice find though, SF. I don't know what that could mean though. If digi's claiming dayvig, he is pretty obviously not lying (since he will probably have to use it today). It really doesn't seem like a scum role. But why is his killflavor practically the same (maybe his doesn't say 'simply') as scum? I honestly have no clue. I'll wait on the "shot dead" until after crypto claim. And as I said, we'll have to wait on mine until I get an answer from the mod about my technical question.

[diginova]

About the killflavor... I actually asked ooba about that, and he specified it is different as there is no "simply". Mine is just "killed".
I also just confirmed with him that my shot doesn't end Day.

[diginova]

Mafuyu:

Also, you still haven't answered my question back in 923. Please do so.

[SharkFinn]

Diginova: whenever she "answers" and you become unsastified with it, just plainly shoot her. Then we can focus on crypto and KL

[ReaperCharlie]

Digi needs to daykill Mafuyu, then wait for Crypto/KL to fullclaim.

Yep.

[Mafuyu]

Sharkfinn is trying to get Mafuyu daykilled so Mafuyu's night result tonight doesn't damn him.

@Diginova: Mafuyu's kept avoiding the question. There is a reason for that, and it should be obvious. What is also obvious is that you're getting played.
@VigKill: Sent at night, they receive it during night action resolution. At this rate, it might not be a bad idea to give it to Digi, provided Mafuyu lives, seeing as there is a certain lack of trust here.