Mini 1034 - Castlevania Mafia (Game Over)

[zwetschenwasser]

OMGUS doesn't have to be a vote.

[Katsuki]

A HOS is pretty bad though.

He bandwagoned on your vote on Coach too.

[zwetschenwasser]

exactment

[Dekes]

@mod:

I know I'm gonna regret this, but drmyshottyizsik hasn't posted in this thread at all. He announced V/LA in his other games, but he's been active the last couple of days. It's possible he's forgotten about this game.

And now a few quotes:

So...um...basically everyone who votes you is somehow scum, tans?

What? Where did you get that?

Vote Count

tanstalas (3)

- zwetschenwasser, LynchMePls, Dekes

HoS: Zewt

Yes, you are getting the whole hand, all FIVE fingers

Your vote on me as well as Dekes vote on me are both very scummy looking considering the "reason" you are voting for me is because I HoS'd someone who was vote hopping.

Unvote:
Vote: LMP
FoS: Dekes

I, unlike you have given

plenty of reasons

why I am voting for you and FOS'ing Dekes, so please call this OMGUS again

Flailing seems about right.
And like somebody else stated, town and scum can both be lazy, especially early on. McGriddle is a prime example. Am I saying he's town? No, but I've played with him before when he was town. Lazy as hell. It's anti-town, but not scummy.
So is skimming. While it may not be helpful for an open-minded analysis, town can and will skim over posts and misrep in order to strenghten their case against a person.

@Dekes: While I'm at it, how does defensiveness make one more likely to be scum?

Generally? Both can be defensive. If a townie feels they are wagoned unwarrantedly they tend to get defensive as well.
But tanstalas has gotten defensive over one vote. And in my experience scum tend to freak out sooner than town because they have something to hide and more to lose when facing a possbile wagon/lynch.

@MPR
Active lurkiness is noted.

@Katsuki
Are you a he or a she? I want to say a girl, but I messed up pretty bad guessing gender in another game of mine and I just wanna make sure

[McGriddle]

And like somebody else stated, town and scum can both be lazy, especially early on. McGriddle is a prime example. Am I saying he's town? No, but I've played with him before when he was town. Lazy as hell. It's anti-town, but not scummy.

Haha you know I'm the one who said that right? So laziness isn't always anti-town as I seem to have said something useful and true.

[Katsuki]

Prime rebuttal to leaving laziness around is MPR.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... start=2000
http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/SQWuVPjp9eV

[tanstalas]

OK

UK asked me before if I suspected everyone who has voted for me. I am going to give my full analysis now

Zwet - I think he is town, I think he started this BW on me as a gambit to see who would jump on
LMP - Think he is scum for reasons stated before
Katsuki - Think he is scum as well because:
A)His last post before Saturday's was on Thursday - that means he probably read all the posts before he posted and voted me
B)I made a case on LMP and he said he would ISO LMP tomorrow (his ISO consists of only 11 posts at that point and he had just read all of the posts IN context) Why not just do the ISO then?
C)I make a case on LMP and he says I am "flailing" Really? So let me get this straight, I defend myself and in the eyes of the people on my wagon I am "overly defensive" and that seems scummy. I make a case on someone else (granted I may be a little biased here but I think my case on LMP is much better than the case the people on my BW have on me)
D)Said he would ISO LMP "tomorrow" which made it sound like he wasn't going to be around until the next day. After UK, McG and LMP commented on my analysis of LMP (which didn't go as well as I thought) that is when he decided to comment on my ISO LMP post since he had a few people already shoot my analysis down
Dekes - I had a neutral to scum read on him, as his vote on me just really consisted of him parroting others, but really when you look at the weak evidence on me you would be hard pressed to come up with anything else. Though when he again enforced his vote on me by parroting Katsuki's "he is flailing" argument that kind of cemented it for me

My top 3 picks (in order)
1)LMP
2)Katsuki
3)Dekes

I think this will be my last post for a bit, I can't seem to get anywhere with you guys. I defend myself and you say it's scummy, I make another case on someone and you say it's scummy. If I get to L-2 or L-1 I will nameclaim which should clear me, however I am hesitant to do that because if you know who I am you will probably be able to figure out my ability which will make me less useful to the town.

I have one more post coming in after this to respond to an LMP post - because he obviously has reading comprehension problems

[tanstalas]

Nuh-uh. (See what I did there?)

You still haven't explained where all your recent vote changes and HOS/FOS leave CT, who you apparently thought was so bad he was worse than zwet, but now you can't even be bothered with him.

Do you read my posts at all?

This was a mere 3 posts before you made the above comment

Because I do agree that CT's vote on Zwet looked suspicious, he replaced his RVS vote with a serious vote just because Zwet "looked" scummy but didn't offer any reasons (also why my vote is sitting on LMP now) and he basically said "I have nothing so I'll switch my vote to this BW"

Then Zwet made the bussing comment, and I replied with whatever you want to believe and then he OMGUS voted me so I HOS'd him because he DID OMGUS vote me (for no reason - see above on my opinion of that) which is suspicious, however I already had my vote on CT who at that time looked just as guilty - albeit for different reasons so I just gave him the hand (and I gave reasoning) one thing you notice is I give reasoning when I vote people. The people on my wagon not so much, or are just parroting what others have said.

[Katsuki]

MAYBE KAT WAS ON A CAR FROM 9AM FRIDAY MORNING FOR 18HRS UNTIL 3AM SAT MORNING. YOU CAN CHECK ALL MY GAMES IF YOU WANT.

ALSO, I GAVE MY THOUGHTS ON LMP ISO FRIDAY MORNING BEFORE I LEFT I THINK.

DURP. ROPE PLEASE. TANSTALUS NEEDS IT.

[Katsuki]

ASIDE FROM ALL THIS MISREP-ING, Shotty just v/la'd for a week in another game of mine that just started. Just a note.

[tanstalas]

MAYBE KAT WAS ON A CAR FROM 9AM FRIDAY MORNING FOR 18HRS UNTIL 3AM SAT MORNING. YOU CAN CHECK ALL MY GAMES IF YOU WANT.

ALSO, I GAVE MY THOUGHTS ON LMP ISO FRIDAY MORNING BEFORE I LEFT I THINK.

DURP. ROPE PLEASE. TANSTALUS NEEDS IT.

What continent do you live on? I don't see any posts from you on Friday at all.

And you have yet to spell my name correctly even once.

And all caps, nice touch.

@all

- If I seemed "overly defensive" in my post, what would you call the above?

[Katsuki]

A OMGUS POST FULL OF MISREP. THAT SOUNDS ABOUT GOOD.

And if you live on the continent that your avatar comes from, THEN SO DO I.

[Katsuki]

Ah, just looked, and I posted the "I'll iso LMP" at around 3am, and then my comments on his iso after I woke up around 9.

Still, I was essentially v/la friday.

[LimMePls]

Nuh-uh. (See what I did there?)

You still haven't explained where all your recent vote changes and HOS/FOS leave CT, who you apparently thought was so bad he was worse than zwet, but now you can't even be bothered with him.

Do you read my posts at all?

This was a mere 3 posts before you made the above comment

Because I do agree that CT's vote on Zwet looked suspicious, he replaced his RVS vote with a serious vote just because Zwet "looked" scummy but didn't offer any reasons (also why my vote is sitting on LMP now) and he basically said "I have nothing so I'll switch my vote to this BW"

Then Zwet made the bussing comment, and I replied with whatever you want to believe and then he OMGUS voted me so I HOS'd him because he DID OMGUS vote me (for no reason - see above on my opinion of that) which is suspicious, however I already had my vote on CT who at that time looked just as guilty - albeit for different reasons so I just gave him the hand (and I gave reasoning) one thing you notice is I give reasoning when I vote people. The people on my wagon not so much, or are just parroting what others have said.

This doesn't answer my question. My question is HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CT NOW? Why isn't he on your top three suspects list but zwet is? Presumably when you HOS'ed zwet you thought that voting CT was better than voting zwet, or you would have just voted instead of HOS. This is my point, you HOS zwet but leave your vote on CT, but then you move your vote to me and you apparently drop your suspicion of CT. Why is that?

[Kdub]

Vote Count

LynchMePls (1)

- tanstalas

drmyshottyizsik (0)

-

jenniwren (0)

-

UncertainKitten (1)

- McGriddle

MehPlusRawr (0)

-

Katsuki (0)

-

Dekes (0)

-

Coach Travis (1)

- jenniwren

zwetschenwasser (3)

- UncertainKitten, Coach Travis, VasudeVa

McGriddle (0)

-

VasudeVa (0)

-

tanstalas (4)

- zwetschenwasser, LynchMePls, Dekes, Katsuki

No Lynch (0)

-

Not Voting (2)

- drmyshottyizsik, MehPlusRawr

12 votes available, 7 votes needed to lynch.

Deadline is September 16, ~ 9 am PDT.

drmyshottyizsik has been prodded.

[tanstalas]

Nuh-uh. (See what I did there?)

You still haven't explained where all your recent vote changes and HOS/FOS leave CT, who you apparently thought was so bad he was worse than zwet, but now you can't even be bothered with him.

Do you read my posts at all?

This was a mere 3 posts before you made the above comment

Because I do agree that CT's vote on Zwet looked suspicious, he replaced his RVS vote with a serious vote just because Zwet "looked" scummy but didn't offer any reasons (also why my vote is sitting on LMP now) and he basically said "I have nothing so I'll switch my vote to this BW"

Then Zwet made the bussing comment, and I replied with whatever you want to believe and then he OMGUS voted me so I HOS'd him because he DID OMGUS vote me (for no reason - see above on my opinion of that) which is suspicious, however I already had my vote on CT who at that time looked just as guilty - albeit for different reasons so I just gave him the hand (and I gave reasoning) one thing you notice is I give reasoning when I vote people. The people on my wagon not so much, or are just parroting what others have said.

This doesn't answer my question. My question is HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CT NOW? Why isn't he on your top three suspects list but zwet is? Presumably when you HOS'ed zwet you thought that voting CT was better than voting zwet, or you would have just voted instead of HOS. This is my point, you HOS zwet but leave your vote on CT, but then you move your vote to me and you apparently drop your suspicion of CT. Why is that?

How many scum do you think are in this game? I am thinking either 3 or 4, 3 if there is an SK 4 if there isn't.

CT is sitting at #4 on my list ATM. Who are your top 3 suspects? Aside from you tunneling on me I haven't seen you do any scum hunting. If I am scum why don't you find my scum buddies?

Reason why I think is you really have nothing on me, and when/if I nameclaim you are going to be screwed because you are going to hope that someone else comes up with a case on someone else so you can BW them.

If you are town you are being extremely lazy and not helping the town at all, unless you think there is only 1 scum and I am it. I could actually say this for most of the people on my BW

@Everyone on my BW

- If I get lynched and when I flip town who is going to be your next suspect and why?

[UncertainKitten]

That's a ridiculously high number, tans. Usually minis are 3:9. If an SK is involved, it's generally more balanced to run 2:1:9. Admittedly, I tend to run 3:1:8. With two mafia groups it's generally 2:2:8.

Why do you think 4 scum ever?

[tanstalas]

ASIDE FROM ALL THIS MISREP-ING, Shotty just v/la'd for a week in another game of mine that just started. Just a note.

Wouldn't this be a violation of Rule A4? Just curious as to why you would post this in the thread instead of just PMing the mod.

[tanstalas]

That's a ridiculously high number, tans. Usually minis are 3:9. If an SK is involved, it's generally more balanced to run 2:1:9. Admittedly, I tend to run 3:1:8. With two mafia groups it's generally 2:2:8.

Why do you think 4 scum ever?

I have fairly limited experience on mafiascum, I have only played 2 games to completion so I can only comment on those - 1 of those was a newbie game, so that is 7:2. The other game consisted of 9 townies, 3 mafia, 2 SK's and a town vig.

The other games I have played on another site have usually been 1 scum for every 3 town + an (SK or Vig)

[UncertainKitten]

The other game consisted of 9 townies, 3 mafia, 2 SK's and a town vig.

10:3:2? That's...kinda scary.

And vigs count as pro town.

[tanstalas]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=14742

Yeah it was pretty scary. Probably because of the setup since everyone town was a doc basically.

If you like I can link you to the games I have played offsite. Be warned if you want to use them to meta me they are LONG games (30 pages @ 50 posts per page) and don't have a handy ISO feature like you do on this site

Just looking at a couple of those I did play, wow, we have bastard mods over there, one game was 8 mafia and 11 town :/

[UncertainKitten]

Wow...that's...special. The prevalence of protective roles DOES make it slightly more balanced, but don't bodyguards die when their target is killed? I can't at all imagine this set up is a good idea, but, whatever.

[LimMePls]

Nuh-uh. (See what I did there?)

You still haven't explained where all your recent vote changes and HOS/FOS leave CT, who you apparently thought was so bad he was worse than zwet, but now you can't even be bothered with him.

Do you read my posts at all?

This was a mere 3 posts before you made the above comment

Because I do agree that CT's vote on Zwet looked suspicious, he replaced his RVS vote with a serious vote just because Zwet "looked" scummy but didn't offer any reasons (also why my vote is sitting on LMP now) and he basically said "I have nothing so I'll switch my vote to this BW"

Then Zwet made the bussing comment, and I replied with whatever you want to believe and then he OMGUS voted me so I HOS'd him because he DID OMGUS vote me (for no reason - see above on my opinion of that) which is suspicious, however I already had my vote on CT who at that time looked just as guilty - albeit for different reasons so I just gave him the hand (and I gave reasoning) one thing you notice is I give reasoning when I vote people. The people on my wagon not so much, or are just parroting what others have said.

This doesn't answer my question. My question is HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CT NOW? Why isn't he on your top three suspects list but zwet is? Presumably when you HOS'ed zwet you thought that voting CT was better than voting zwet, or you would have just voted instead of HOS. This is my point, you HOS zwet but leave your vote on CT, but then you move your vote to me and you apparently drop your suspicion of CT. Why is that?

How many scum do you think are in this game? I am thinking either 3 or 4, 3 if there is an SK 4 if there isn't.

CT is sitting at #4 on my list ATM. Who are your top 3 suspects? Aside from you tunneling on me I haven't seen you do any scum hunting. If I am scum why don't you find my scum buddies?

Reason why I think is you really have nothing on me, and when/if I nameclaim you are going to be screwed because you are going to hope that someone else comes up with a case on someone else so you can BW them.

If you are town you are being extremely lazy and not helping the town at all, unless you think there is only 1 scum and I am it. I could actually say this for most of the people on my BW

@Everyone on my BW

- If I get lynched and when I flip town who is going to be your next suspect and why?

At this point I don't have 3 suspects. I think zwet's fake claim is interesting, and the reactions to it will be interesting once we see some flips, but as far as scummy, you're all alone at the moment. The fact that you already have 4 scum reads is quite astonishing.

[tanstalas]

At this point I don't have 3 suspects. I think zwet's fake claim is interesting, and the reactions to it will be interesting once we see some flips, but as far as scummy, you're all alone at the moment. The fact that you already have 4 scum reads is quite astonishing.

I explained why I have 4 suspects. I find it interesting that you do not want to answer a hypothetical question. I also find it interesting that you only have me as a suspect. So, when I flip town if I get lynched you have no reads from the other people on my BW?

[LimMePls]

Well, I'll have a flip and people's opinions on the wagon to go on, plus presumably NKs (or the lack thereof). That's assuming you are town though, which at this point doesn't seem that likely.