Mad World: Time Travel Mafia (Game Over)

[ReaperCharlie]

unvote

for now, i gotta reread.

[KageLord]

This was during D3 after I claimed the actions...

You keep saying that lynching Emp will tell us nothing, but whose lynch do you suggest will tell us something? Robbnva's (probable townie's) lynch will tell us LMP's likely alignment (though not confirmed since if Robbnva flips scum he could still claim insanity or

SF lied about who he redirected to or something

). So in the end that would tell us nothing concrete. Besides, if LMP was telling the truth and Robbnva's flip was town, LMP would be the likely NK target and if not stopped, we'd be out a cop and a confirmed townie. Also Emp's lynch, like potentially anyone else's, might tell us something really important: that we have killed another scum and are one step closer to a win. So I don't buy that "telling us nothing" excuse.

It does intrigue me though that this is how you are playing (defending scumminess and attacking probable town) when you become active.

What the fuck...

You just confirmed me, yet you still thought I was scum!??!?!?! >_> >_> >_>

Pretty much that either means me and LMP are scum together or town. It cant be one or the other.

KL, why did you not confirm me when you could have. That would have cleared me and Robbnva yesterday.

I confirmed your role and action, not your alignment. You could just as easily be scum redirector at that point. And then, I didn't want to risk getting caught as a PR (I still planned on using my doc protect in peace), which would have saved us from a kill last night had scum gone after LMP. I suppose I could have come out and said just the first part of the role and pretended there was nothing else, but that only would have led to trouble at a position like this, when I clearly have more to tell (and in which case people would say I lied and therefore am scum). So, basically, my night action only confirmed LMP's alignment in my eyes, not yours. And the bold doesn't really mean much since I was just trying to convince RC to not go after Robbnva (who I was almost 100% certain was town) using information

he

knew.

Anyway, since attention seems to be turning toward me at this point, I'd just like to give my thoughts at this point in case I'm not around D5 (or for the rest of D4).

Reads and Reasoning

crypto - Prob SK. I was going to wait on this until his claim, but since it is looking less and less likely that he will get in here any time soon, I figure I might as well put this out there right now. If you believe at least the part of my claim that confirms LMP and SF, the only unconfirmed roles are Mafuyu, me, digi (soon will be confirmed if we dayvig), and crypto. I know I'm a town PR (and if I wasn't a PR, I don't know why I would confirm SF's role), so I obviously won't count myself. Mafuyu could be SK since we don't have a confirmed example of Mafuyu's role being used yet, but I doubt it strongly. The main reason I doubt it is the flavor Mafuyu mentioned, which sounds plausible and bears a striking resemblance to Ghost Writer's death scene. I could easily believe that came from the mod. The only question then is whether it's a safeclaim or not and that JOAT claim really doesn't seem like a safeclaim given my powers. So, crypto is the logical remaining choice. The only other problem I could see is if digi is SK with additional powers. I read on the wiki that SKs are sometimes given other abilities to help with balance (and an SK in this game could certainly use some, dayvig being quite a fitting one for SK). However, I view it as a very slight possibility.

LMP - Town cop. Numerous testimonies (mine, RC, and SF) point strongly to this. I don't think I'll get arguments on this one.

RC - #1 scum suspect RB. Looking at all of his play today, how could you not see a possible scum motivation? The one who comes out of active lurking to take the lead of town (do this or you'll be lynched and alliance-building) and forcefully says it's time for mass claim... plus he's RB who blocked our cop last night. Now I voiced concerns earlier as to why LMP wasn't targeted for the kill. LMP did give fair reasons as possibilities, which could make sense (including the possibility that Mafuyu-scum did target him but was redirected to the one that died). But the main reason that comes to my mind: why kill the cop when you can RB him? So the main two possibilities are that Mafuyu-scum is lying about the claim and attempted to kill LMP, but was redirected and forced to kill Emp or RC-scum is indeed RB and purposely blocked the cop (it still doesn't jive with me why a town RB would block claimed cop at that point) while killing someone else.

Mafuyu - #2 scum suspect. As I said before, it's unlikely to me, but still the second strongest possibility I see. The points LMP listed are pretty damning, which is why I said I wouldn't be disappointed with Mafuyu being dayvigged (and if Mafuyu flipped town, I would hope to get RC lynched, almost 100% certainly hitting scum in my eyes). The thing is, much of Mafuyu's case could be blamed on just poor use of Mafuyu's PR (as could mine, I suppose).

SF - Unknown redirector. He's kind of the wild card for me. He has crossed the town-scum read line for me so many times that it's becoming a blur. If absolutely forced, I would say he is my 3rd scum suspect, but it is a very far 3rd. I will confirm his claim of redirector though and his N2 action on LMP.

My strong recommendation: I really want to see RC dayvigged here. Like really badly. I am this close to saying if he flips town then lynch me. Actually, if it wouldn't be lylo, I think I am okay with saying that. I'll risk my life in this game on that outcome. Up for it?

[KageLord]

Also, is there the possibility that the anomaly NK flavor was Budja's flavor text? And SF, what makes you say that only Budja could make the kill (considering he was mafia-isolated)?

[diginova]

I am really leaning towards using my kill on RC as well. He originally was just asking for a vig with his lurking, but his recent contributions have made it even more likely that he's scum.
We can leave Mafuyu for the lynch depending on the flip, but I agree that the flavor she gave fits with this game, and I've never seen scum/SK be given a fakeclaim that includes flavor. May just be my ignorance.

[LimMePls]

I am really leaning towards using my kill on RC as well. He originally was just asking for a vig with his lurking, but his recent contributions have made it even more likely that he's scum.
We can leave Mafuyu for the lynch depending on the flip, but I agree that the flavor she gave fits with this game, and I've never seen scum/SK be given a fakeclaim that includes flavor. May just be my ignorance.

Sometimes scum are given full fakeclaims (ie a fake claim that is a full role PM). I was given one like that in a recent mini (Megaman mafia) I played.

[SharkFinn]

Players that are 100% Town:
LMP: Inspections confirmed. Action Targets confirmed.
SharkFinn: Actions confirmed.

Players who still have questions with them:
Mafuyu: Acts really scummy, but inventor claim does make me want to rethink things.
KL: The fact he could have confirmed LMP and myself make me rethink things. (LMP inspected Anon, I redirected to Robbnva, only way that either of us is scum is together)
RC: Finally contributes, which is odd. Blocker is a possible scummy role, so unsure.
Diginova: if he daykills, he's clear.
Crypto: needs a prod.

@Mod: Please prod Crypto

[ooba]

Already prodded him - just forgot to mention it here. Crypto is going to be replaced. Sigh .. If you have any suggestions for replacements, PM them to me ..

[ReaperCharlie]

spyrex

[ReaperCharlie]

btw don't bother daykilling me. you're a newb if you do.

i've already claimed town RB and I proved the RB. now you just have to make the stretch to believe i'm town.

which is not really a stretch.

[LimMePls]

btw don't bother daykilling me. you're a newb if you do.

i've already claimed town RB and I proved the RB. now you just have to make the stretch to believe i'm town.

which is not really a stretch.

What!?

[KageLord]

KL: The fact he could have confirmed LMP and myself make me rethink things. (LMP inspected Anon, I redirected to Robbnva, only way that either of us is scum is together)

Could you please explain this to me? You said it before too, but I don't follow. Why couldn't you be scum and he be town?

And yes, I could have confirmed LMP, but at the cost of outing myself as a PR and either having to full claim (getting rid of my mystery power's potency tonight) or lying and half-claiming, getting myself into big trouble at this point, where I would either have to withhold info from town (bad) or come clean and prob get mislynched for lying (bad). If it came down to LMP about to get lynched D3, I would have saved him. But it didn't, so there was no need.

btw don't bother daykilling me. you're a newb if you do.

i've already claimed town RB and I proved the RB. now you just have to make the stretch to believe i'm town.

which is not really a stretch.

So please explain to us in the slow part of the class why you are more likely to be town than scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmmm... I can't explain to you WHY I'm town, and I obv can't prove it, and I'm obv not gonna be an idiot and quote my role PM

So... just believe me, and focus on scum, and we'll win.

[SharkFinn]

KL: I will answer your question in time.

I demand that everyone votes for the player that should be daykilled. (Not immediately but come to a decision soon)

Im at the moment I would like KL to be on the chopping block, but I am unsure. No vote for me yet, but give me another 15ish hours.

[LimMePls]

^That is a bad idea. Perhaps we should all FOS? No reason to risk a lynch before the daykill.

[LimMePls]

FOS: Mafuyu

[Mafuyu]

What a shock.

FoS Reapercharlie

[KageLord]

FoS: ReaperCharlie

[SharkFinn]

I must not let my new feelings cloud what must be done.

FoS: Mafuyu

with a dash of KL and a possible reccomendation to kill crypto/subin to just make it easier on us as a whole.

[KageLord]

lol the voting might actually end in a tie (unless a crypto replacement pops in and gives his two cents) since RC has said Mafuyu and digi has said he's thinking RC. In the end, shouldn't the one who is actually doing it have final say in the case of a tie?

[ReaperCharlie]

I like how Kagelord is so eager to get rid of me. Hmmm.....

And obviously Mafuyu wants to get rid of anyone but himself, so... yep.

LynchMePls appears to have his head screwed on straight, as does SharkFinn, which is good because they're my two best town reads.

Hopefully diginova has his wits about him, kills Mafuyu, and then we can lynch KageLord.

Or the other way around... it's an either/or.

[KageLord]

I like how Kagelord is so eager to get rid of me. Hmmm.....

Of course I am. You are super scummy and haven't given a reason for us to think you're town. And just so you know, digi said earlier that he wanted you for his vig too, that make him suspiciously eager?

LMP and SF, why not RC? I realize that you have your votes on Mafuyu for a reason (though SF is kinda hedging with 3 suspects, none of which are RC), but what do you think about the possibility of RC-scum? Do you think it is just impossible or not as likely as Mafuyu-scum or me-scum or what? LMP, you have said that you think RC-scum is certainly a possibility, but Mafuyu-scum just seems like more of a sure deal. Does that mean you would be willing to lynch RC pending the Mafuyu flip, if Mafuyu is vigged?

SF, you kind of claimed your suspects in order in your last post, but I'm surprised crypto made your list over RC. In one of your earlier posts all you said about RC was that it's odd he's contributing and RB is a possible scum role so you're unsure. How does that still make him more town than crypto, who hasn't said/done anything (obviously because he is gone, not lurking)? What quality of what RC has said/done do you find redeeming?

[LimMePls]

LMP and SF, why not RC? I realize that you have your votes on Mafuyu for a reason (though SF is kinda hedging with 3 suspects, none of which are RC), but what do you think about the possibility of RC-scum?

I've already answered this question from you KL, why do you keep asking it?

@digi: Ignore our "votes". Use your best judgement. I don't like the idea of the scum trying to force you into a certain shot. When you're ready to pull the trigger (the sooner the better so we get the flip with as much time as possible) pull the trigger.

[ReaperCharlie]

I agree that digi should shoot whoever he feels most deserves it, but I also hope he chooses Mafuyu or Kagelord.

I am also still

very

uneasy that LMP is a claimed cop with NO provable results (which is the oldest trick in the book for scum).

And that he lived through the night.

Sometimes the simplest answer is the easiest.

Vote: LMP

[LimMePls]

LynchMePls appears to have his head screwed on straight, as does SharkFinn, which is good because they're my two best town reads.

I agree that digi should shoot whoever he feels most deserves it, but I also hope he chooses Mafuyu or Kagelord.

I am also still

very

uneasy that LMP is a claimed cop with NO provable results (which is the oldest trick in the book for scum).

And that he lived through the night.

Sometimes the simplest answer is the easiest.

Vote: LMP

O.O These posts are 1119 and 1122. What the hell changed in between? That I told digi to use his discretion? RC is starting to squirm under the pressure.

Also, I don't have "no provable results". KL says he tracked me to Robbnva, SF claims he redirected me to Robbnva, and I claimed a town result (which Robbnva was). I'd also like to point out that maybe I'd have a provable result ON YOU if you hadn't RB'ed me. So how can you say I have no provable results when you stopped me from getting one?

[KageLord]

Oh LMP:

Well, my role-blocking of LMP last night means that at least he didn't attempt to use his killing action last night, if he IS scum. Unless he's scum with SharkFinn, in which case they could have coordinated this whole thing... but that's a pretty long shot. The only way it makes sense if LMP is scum, is if he's a scum rolecop, otherwise there's pretty much no way he'd have known that he'd been blocked, by receiving a 'no-result'.

Ergo, LMP is either a legit town cop or a scum rolecop.

He is not the SK, if there is one.

This too. Apparently RC is now under the impression that LMP is a second scum cop.