Newbie 994: Stop! In the Name of Sudo! Game Over!

[Beanman]

Your right, it was your next post during twilight, in which you explained your vote in which you insinuated....

I'm sorry? Is there a rule or something that I have to give an official claim? I've made my concerns with warriormode clear and I've mentioned that I'm hoping to learn something about DDD from the result. Do I need to say it all again?

[Applefarmer]

Anyway, this whole DDDP thing: This might sound weird, but I think both Applefarmer and DDDP are town. Applefarmer has been going a lot at DDDP, and the way he's arguing just comes off as town. I understand his arguments, but disagree with a lot of them. DDDP has been doing a good job keeping this going and pointing out where people are going wrong.

I don't feel as strongly about DDDP anymore, mostly because warriormode is looking pretty scummy to me right now. If that's the case, then I'd have a harder time believing DDDP was scum after the way he's called warriormode out. So yeah... I'm all but ready to lynch warriormode now.

Anything else you'd like to say warrior?

Was referring to this. I was thinking more along the lines of a scum flip clearing his name, but I suppose that does imply that I suspected him scum in the first place. Like I said though, I think it was mostly me just being afraid that as an experienced player he could be playing a great scum game. And I still am, really.

[Sudo_Nym]

Vote Count:

Debonair Danny DiPietro L-2: tanstalas

[Volo]

Checking in.

Sorry everyone about Day 2. I just moved and I have limited access [I'm using my friend's Ethernet cable right now!].

@Mod: I'd really hate to do this, but I have to drop the game. I'm really sorry. I'd wanted to help by replacing in, but there's no way I'll be able to keep up.

[Volo]

Before I take my leave:

My replacement might not agree, but I think DDD and DavidParker were distancing on Day 1. I think DDD's "case" was intentionally bad and that he used it to look like he was going against David. I think he knew that no one would buy into the case and have wagon turn into a lynch. This is supported by the fact that he backed off very quickly when he saw the warrior wagon taking off.

Just final few cents. Good luck!

[Beanman]

gave final cents, after being voted out... hmmm. im on the fence between really bad or scum on volo. DDD's case on DP wasnt bad, and ended up being true. Volo was the only one really defending DP. Didnt Volo also say he though his predessor was scummy? I suppose we can test DDD's case out. lol im actually leaning toward volo just being bad though.

[Beanman]

ebwop, not voted out sorry, asked to replace out. dam this mobile device...

[Sudo_Nym]

SnakePlissken replaces Volo, effective immediately

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD triple post, effective immediately...

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Reasons why the latest assertions suggesting I’m scum are absurd:

1) In response to tanstalas’ 245: I’d generically point to my post #202 as a response. But more specifically it looks to me as if scum killed dimaba night one because absolutely no one suspected him of being scum and conversely multiple people suspected me of being scum. And I shouldn’t even have to answer as to why I wasn’t killed night two because that shit is obvious.

2) Volo’s hit and run argument in 254 is extremely weak. First off it’s completely lacking in context. She suggests that I was distancing from DP when DP replaced into the game and immediately voted for me. Distancing is far more common on later days and done when both scum have planned it out; since it was D1 and DP would not have had a chance to talk to his scum partner this is an extremely aggressive assertion. Even if we assume the aggressiveness to be true her argument falls apart because it’s predicated around my case being “intentionally bad” when not only did I provide a link to the history and evidence supporting the tell, but the tell was RIGHT. Given that fact, her entire assertion is absurd and must be rejected.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Reasons why applefarmer is probably town:

1) Immediate day two bus? Not buying that as likely, especially when DavidParker had already earned himself likely town cred by avoiding being on the D1 mislynch.

2) His end of the day post, specifically day one where DP looks like he’s setting him up. They look pretty natural to me and it looks like scum was trying to take advantage of him.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Reasons why

Volo

SnakePlissken is probably the last scum:

1) iamatree and tone issues. I know somewhere between some and all of you are looking at me like, “not this again” but I didn’t just make those arguments about warriormode up. The tells might not be as effective as I’d like, but they do exist and they apply here just like they did to warriormode.

2) iamatree’s bad jump onto the bad seth wagon. Given the timing, position, and lack of reasons this really just looks crazy scummy to me. It’s early in the game, but not too early for a real wagon, she’s in third position allowing the bandwagon to get big but not have to hammer and her given reason was complete nonsense.

3) Instantly comes into the game and defends DavidParker! Yes, I know others of you have doubted the veracity of the tell I used but really the first thing they do is defend the player we know is scum. And it’s not like they even had to go out on a limb to do it considering the rest of the town’s general uneasiness with my play.

4) Where is the content from Volo? It can be very hard for scum, especially noob scum to generate content because your attempts to scumhunt are completely fraudulent and thus feel off to you which means you’re less likely to post since it feels wrong.

VOTE: SnakePlissken

[SnakePlissken]

Wow, don't even get a chance to say hi before a vote comes in? I need to go back and read what's been going on. But hi everyone.

[SnakePlissken]

Right I think I'm up to speed now. I should point out that this my first ever game on here, however I have played before on a forum called UKFF with Pranadevil mod ding.

If vie read right currently there's only one vote and thats on me byTriple D? All I would ask is that you would judge me on my predecessors play. They may have said stuff that I wouldn't. Now again without going back and thoroughly checking everything they said please don't call me on specific comments. I am working on this day as my first and will proceed with scum hunting the best I can. Please feel free tonask me questions and I'll answer them the best I can. Oh and if you see the occasional typo thats be use I'm writing on a iPad and pre emptive txt can be a little odd at times.

[SnakePlissken]

EBWOP

All I would ask is that you would NOT judge menon my predecessors play.

[Beanman]

Snake-
-cool name.
-Your request is sadly going to be denied. You WILL be judged on your predecessors, any game you ever sub into, you will be as well. They came off as somewhat scummy. You want to shake that stigma? Be damn good at scum hunting. To be honest, I find it sort of ridiculous you'd think we wouldn't. It's not helpful to investigations at all. Especially day 3. This is a bad way for you to start this game imo...
-If I were you, I would look at this as your day 3. It's our day 3.
-Your caught up? Good. Your role so far has well, sucked. Please post a mininum of 200 word analysis with who you think is scum. I'm on the fence right now. Convince me why your town.

[SnakePlissken]

200 words? Man Im going to need to get verbose and quick. put unlike my idiot predecessors who have set me up on the backfoot, Im not going to rush in and start throwing accusations around. Im going to complete my essay Mr.Beanman, but as we have several days left before lynch time, im not just going to rush something out there. So you may not get ti tonight as I have again go back and make my judgements correctly.

Im concerened that triple D has rushed in on me. Could he not wait until my 200 word answer or is he playing a scummy line of lynch the newb? Anyway back soon with my thoughts.

[Beanman]

He has every right to vote you. I'm fairly confident you won't be quick lynched. 200 words is hardly an essay(and I'm not doing an exact word count.) Just a few short paragraphs. there is 11 pages to gather more than enough information. Plenty of information to make an informated case on one or two people. even if it's not "YOUR SCUM" at least what you think something one of the still alive players has done that has helped or been possibly detrimental to town. Looking for you to propell conversation, which is not something your previous owners of your role have done....

[Applefarmer]

You can't look at it as him targeting the noob. For one, that wasn't apparent until after he made his analysis. Additionally, if your predecessors were scum, then you are scum, so of course we will have to take their play into consideration - which is what he did and how he came to his conclusion.

I find it funny that you are now also judging your predecessors despite reading the conversation where that was applied as a scum-tell to DavidParker - and correctly, none the less. What are you thinking?

[Beanman]

@Snake-On second thought, I'm not so confident of your quicklynch, I'm actually debating voting you..... Apple has a damn good point.

[Applefarmer]

Also, it looks like Sudo missed it, but my vote is actually on beanman right now, I think. No big deal though, because I think I'm going to...

UNVOTE: beanman

[Applefarmer]

And you know what's hilarious? Volo did it to some extent as well! XD

Something that really caught my attention and I wanted to comment on before I turn in for the night:

Unvote; Vote: DavidParker

I love it when people make my life easy because they reveal themselves to be scum. The above is a perfect example of a scumtell I've borrowed from my buddy Amished. It's worked very well for him and for me in the few places where I've seen it. The explanation is as follows...

For those of you that don't know what's going on; I've basically come up with a scumtell that if you *criticize* who you replaced in; you're scum. This is a refinement from what I had it (if you read your replacement at all you were scum); but this seems to cover all the instances where I've seen/remember it. If you're town, you really don't have to worry about your predecessor as you know they're town; but if you think that they're scummy; then you're scum. As town, you know that you're not scummy and don't deserve criticism at all.

I disagree with this. My first instinct when I looked over the thread for the first time was how badly my predecessor played [probably not the best worded -- it's was pretty clear he was very inexperienced, anyway...]. I'd imagined using one of my first posts here to do essentially when David did there; distance myself from the poor play as much as possible, as if to say: "Don't look at

him

or judge this player-slot by

him

.

He's

a bad example. Just judge me by how

I

play."

And I don't think it's completely implausible to see as a null tell. Town players don't want bad predecessors screwing up their game. I know that my predecessors actions were completely newbish if not scummy, and I don't want to be associated with him even. Scum don't want old actions that they weren't responsible for to look bad for them either.

So I can totally empathize with his statement and don't find it scummy in the slightest.

[Applefarmer]

If this guy turns out scum, this is going to be my hands-down new favorite scum-tell.

[tanstalas]

200 words? Man Im going to need to get verbose and quick.

put unlike my idiot predecessors

who have set me up on the backfoot, Im not going to rush in and start throwing accusations around. Im going to complete my essay Mr.Beanman, but as we have several days left before lynch time, im not just going to rush something out there. So you may not get ti tonight as I have again go back and make my judgements correctly.

Im concerened that triple D has rushed in on me. Could he not wait until my 200 word answer or is he playing a scummy line of lynch the newb? Anyway back soon with my thoughts.

Vote: Snake

I hate to agree with DDDP as he is still a suspect in my eyes, but I was playing another game where someone subbed in and started bashing his predessessor and he did flip scum. Also the fact that he was "caught up" on the thread in 23 minutes strikes me as strange. Scum like to look at the end and see who has the most pressure on them and focus on that. If he replaced into a town role I would have expected a "give me a few hours" or a day or so to fully catch up. Starting to post while not sure what has been going on only makes me think he is scum.

[tanstalas]

Sorry, reporting to help Sudo read

Unvote:
Vote: Snake