Open 236 - Pamplona Mafia (C9++) Game Over

[drmyshottyizsik]

jerrymandering is your case, wow. You are lucky I'm an ap student and know wtf that is.

[Zajnet]

jerrymandering is your case, wow. You are lucky I'm an ap student and know wtf that is.

What is the point of this post? You're on semi-V/LA, and presumably have a limited time to post, and you choose to post this?

[drmyshottyizsik]

ya im so drugged man you dont want my to say anything else

[Netlava]

Alright, let's do this.

Unvote, vote: drmyshottyizsik

*crosses fingers*

[drmyshottyizsik]

VT net im a VY

[Netlava]

?

[drmyshottyizsik]

vanilla townie, wait did you hammer?

[Netlava]

Yeah, that was a hammer. Too bad you forgot you claimed backup doctor earlier.

[drmyshottyizsik]

oh ya i am, forgot, you'll see wait till death seen

[Netlava]

Okay

[Netlava]

I think this is an attempt to misrep the situation to get townie points, as we are not "close" to lylo, we are at lylo.
Granted, if the vig hits scum tonight, we won't lose, but we are still technically at LyLo today, plus, he doesn't mention the vig at all in that sentence.

Also, does anyone actually believe this?? Where exactly is the misrepresentation?

[Alduskkel]

A bit hasty but it is improbable that drmy is the Nurse.

I hope his claim that he's a VT vs. his claim that he's a Nurse means that he's scum and not just drugged up.

[yabbaguy]

Alduskkel, are you saying that the Day was ended too quickly? /:|

[Nobody Special]

A Lynch has been reached.

Death scene forthcoming.

[Nobody Special]

Final Day Two Votecount 2.04

drmyshottyizsik - 5 - Alduskkel, Zajnet, The Fonz, yabbaguy, Netlava

Zajnet - 1 - drmyshottyizsik


Not voting: ekim, Prox

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch. Deadline: September 9

Ahh, the lazy days of summer. No more wonderful place to be than the streets of a rural village in Spain, where the afternoon siesta time flies by before you know it. Many in your party were taking full advantage of the time to rest, getting ready for the evening's festivities.

Suddenly in a burst of activity, you decide that the one they call Shotty is to be drummed out of the group. AFter the bulls have had their fill of trampling, you examine the lifeless, crushed body.

Rummaging through his pockets, you find a Certificate that states that the bearer has completed rudimentary first-aid training, and is eligible to step in for a medical emergency in case there is no doctor to be found.

drmyshottyizsik, Town Backup Doctor,

has been gored by a bull and is dead.

Night Two begins now, and ends in 72 hours.

If you have night actions and choose not to use them, it would be terrific if you would let me know that by PM.

[Nobody Special]

Due to connection issues, daybreak will be postponed to approx. 1 or 2 PM pacific tomorrow. Deadline is not extended.

[Nobody Special]

I apologize for the delay; I am writing up the daybreak post now. Please do not post yet.

[Nobody Special]

You awaken, as normal, and begin the day.

Two people are missing as you gather in the lobby.

Alduskkel, Mafia member,

has been gored by a bull and is dead.

Zajnet, Town Vigilante,

has been gored by a bull and is dead.

Day Three begins now; deadline is September 19.

[Alduskkel]

A pox on you, Zajnet.

[Nobody Special]

Not voting: ekiM, Netlava, Prox, The Fonz, yabbaguy

With 5 alive, it is three to lynch.

[yabbaguy]

Mod: Post 0 contradicts the death scene, I'm presuming shotty was backup doc since he claimed such, yes?

The other I'm thinking of is Fonz in this case just because of his hyperfocusing on Ythan and nobody else during the early part of D1. I'm trying desperately to avoid the emotional tilt from blowing LyLo as Town to Fonz-scum not that long ago, but one thing that he did in that other game was to hyper focus on a debate (Town v. Town) that really wasn't all

that

relevant and make it a big deal, thus distracting the Town.

(it was Maf en Français if anyone

can

read it.) :D

I'm also banking on ekiM-scum and his categorically blatant appeal to probability that I feel so gullible for succumbing to D2.

Both of the above also focus in on Dry-fit a lot, which irks me because I perceive it as an easy lurker lynch when I look back. What also is nagging me, though, is the fact that Prox was so jumpy as mentioned before:

Prox- my issue is that you're very swingy with your suspicions and that you're willing to question anyone on a whim having no clear stance on who you find scummy. Just from your ISO page 3, I notice you start by saying "Act, shotty", then it's "wth is with Dry-fit's lurking", then "Beefster's being opportunistic"

Prox needs to clearly state his suspect shortlist or I'm going to get ticked.

Setup is VVCDDT?. The problem is that since we're playing Naïve Millers, it could be VVCCDDT, and nobody could tell the difference. (Note for postgame- that should be fixed!) I think solely because of that, no powerclaim is confirmable. >:(

[Prox]

Oh wow. I'm still in this.

So sorry for the inactivity, school started and I was going to flake everything, but I had a change of heart.

I need to read what I missed.

[Netlava]

Prox should say something first as he managed to skate through D2 without saying anything. Right now, my top suspect is Prox for lurking through D2.

The other scum, I think, would be ekim. He's also been quite lurky himself.

Also, it should go without saying that voting rashly should not happen but it happens way too often anyway. And also, I think a massclaim would be appropriate now.

[ekiM]

IIoA post for my own benefit.

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Alduskkel

- Stuff he did/said that seems at all relevant.

Random vote for Ythan, which later turns into a wall o' text argument that I'm going to ignore.

Minor headbutting with yabbaguy about providing reasons in RVS. Feels slightly town-scum, but easily faked.

"So. Re: Netlava. At this point it really does seem like he didn't give it thought. He might be town who just made a quick post (it is short) or maybe he's scum who just didn't care. I don't know which, since on the one hand I almost posted something similar to him but on the other hand it only took me a quick think to change my mind on it." - in retrospect this ambivalence is scummy, but I'm not sure whether this hints to net-town or net-scum. Thoughts?

Alduskkel asks

kyle

Prox whom he suspects, then asks why he is voting for him.

yabba questions Ald's sarcasm and accusation of active lurking.

Question's yabba's meta on Ythan... meta that supported Aduskkel. Heh, should've caught this at the time.

Misinteprets Fonz as calling him an active lurker.

Tells Prox it's not an either/or thing with him and Ythan.

Argues with Prox's theory that he's the mafia spy.

Questions dr's meta reading that makes him suspicious of Netlava.

Asks why Ythan didn't question Fonz's random vote.

Asks why Prox suspects Beef.

Several posts flip flopping on drmy.

Eventually settles into the Dry side of the Dry-Fit/Beefster wagons end of D1.

Day 2: Opens with a vote on dr, also looking at Zajnet. Also mentions Netlava (for the early D1 thing) and Prox (gut). "ISOs" Zajnet and says he's just about ready to vote him. Says my probability stuff is good. Questions Zajnet. Says Netlava's hammer is hasty.

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Color coded vote counts:

DAY 1

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Votecount 1.01

drmyshottyizsik

- 1 -

Zajnet

ekiM - 1 - yabbaguy

kyle99

Prox - 1 - ekiM
yabbaguy - 1 -

Beefster

Ythan

- 1 -

Alduskkel

Not voting:

drmyshottyizsik

,

Dry-fit

,

kyle99

Prox, Netlava, The Fonz,

Ythan

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Votecount 1.02

Alduskkel

- 2 -

kyle99

Prox,

Ythan

Beefster

- 2 -

Dry-fit

, yabbaguy
Netlava - 2 - The Fonz, ekiM

drmyshottyizsik

- 1 -

Zajnet

yabbaguy - 1 -

Beefster

Ythan

- 1 -

Alduskkel

Zajnet

- 1 - Netlava

Not voting:

drmyshottyizsik

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Votecount 1.03
Netlava - 3 - The Fonz, ekiM,

drmyshottyizsik

Alduskkel

- 2 -

kyle99

Prox,

Ythan

Beefster

- 1 -

Dry-fit

drmyshottyizsik

- 1 - Netlava

Not voting:

Alduskkel

,

Beeftser

, yabbaguy,

Zajnet

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Votecount 1.04
Netlava - 3 - The Fonz, ekiM,

drmyshottyizsik

Alduskkel

- 2 -

kyle99

Prox,

Ythan

Ythan

- 2 -

Alduskkel

,

Beefster

Beefster

- 1 -

Dry-fit

drmyshottyizsik

- 1 - Netlava

Not voting: yabbaguy,

Zajnet

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Votecount 1.05
Netlava - 3 - The Fonz, ekiM,

drmyshottyizsik

Ythan

- 3 -

Alduskkel

,

Beefster

, yabbaguy

Alduskkel

- 2 -

kyle99

Prox,

Ythan

Beefster

- 1 -

Dry-fit

drmyshottyizsik

- 1 - Netlava

Not voting:

Zajnet

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Votecount 1.06

Ythan

- 3 -

Alduskkel

,

Beefster

, yabbaguy

Alduskkel

- 2 -

kyle99

Prox,

Ythan

Beefster

- 2 -

Dry-fit

, The Fonz

drmyshottyizsik

- 2 - Netlava, Prox
Netlava - 2 - ekiM,

drmyshottyizsik

Not voting:

Zajnet

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Votecount 1.07
Netlava - 3 - ekiM,

drmyshottyizsik

, Prox

Ythan

- 3 -

Alduskkel

,

Beefster

, yabbaguy

Beefster

- 2 -

Dry-fit

, The Fonz

drmyshottyizsik

- 2 - Netlava,

Zajnet

Alduskkel

- 1 -

Ythan

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Votecount 1.08

Beefster

- 4 -

Dry-fit

, The Fonz, Prox,

Zajnet

Ythan

- 3 -

Alduskkel

,

Beefster

, yabbaguy

Alduskkel

- 1 -

Ythan

drmyshottyizsik

- 1 - Netlava
Netlava - 1 -

drmyshottyizsik

Prox - 1 - ekiM

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Votecount 1.09

Beefster

- 4 - The Fonz, Prox,

Zajnet

,

drmyshottyizsik

Ythan

- 4 -

Alduskkel

,

Beefster

, yabbaguy,

Dry-fit

Alduskkel

- 1 -

Ythan

drmyshottyizsik

- 1 - Netlava
Prox - 1 - ekiM

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Votecount 1.10

Ythan

- 4 -

Alduskkel

,

Beefster

, yabbaguy,

Dry-fit

Beefster

- 3 - The Fonz,

Zajnet

,

drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

- 2 - Netlava, ekiM

Alduskkel

- 1 -

Ythan

Netlava - 1 - Prox

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Votecount 1.11

Dry-fit

- 4 - The Fonz, ekiM,

Beefster

, Netlava

Ythan

- 3 - yabbaguy,

Dry-fit

,

drmyshottyizsik

Beefster

- 1 -

Zajnet

Alduskkel

- 1 -

Ythan

Not voting:

Alduskkel

, Prox

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Votecount 1.12

Dry-fit

- 4 - The Fonz, ekiM,

Beefster

, Netlava

Alduskkel

- 1 -

Ythan

Beefster

- 1 -

Zajnet

drmyshottyizsik

- 1 -

Alduskkel

Netlava - 1 -

Dry-fit

Ythan

- 1 - yabbaguy

Not voting: Prox,

drmyshottyizsik

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Votecount 1.13

Dry-fit

- 3 - The Fonz, ekiM, Netlava

Beefster

- 3 -

Zajnet

, Prox,

drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

- 2 -

Alduskkel

,

Beefster

Alduskkel

- 1 -

Ythan

Netlava - 1 -

Dry-fit

Ythan

- 1 - yabbaguy

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Votecount 1.15

Beefster

- 5 -

Zajnet

, Prox,

drmyshottyizsik

, yabbaguy, The Fonz (L-1)

Dry-fit

- 3 - ekiM, Netlava,

Beefster

drmyshottyizsik

- 1 -

Alduskkel

Alduskkel

- 1 -

Ythan

Netlava - 1 -

Dry-fit

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Final Day One Votecount 1.16

Beefster

- 6 -

Zajnet

, Prox,

drmyshottyizsik

, yabbaguy, The Fonz, ekiM

Dry-fit

- 3 - Netlava,

Beefster

,

Alduskkel

Alduskkel

- 1 -

Ythan

Netlava - 1 -

Dry-fit

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DAY 2

---

Votecount 2.01

drmyshottyizsik

- 1 -

Alduskkel

Netlava - 1 -

drmyshottyizsik

Zajnet

- 1 - yabbaguy

Not voting: ekim, Prox, Netlava, The Fonz,

Zajnet

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Votecount 2.02

Zajnet

- 3 - yabbaguy, Netlava,

drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

- 1 -

Alduskkel

Not voting: ekiM, Prox, The Fonz,

Zajnet

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drmyshottyizsik

- 2 -

Alduskkel

,

Zajnet

Zajnet

- 2 - Netlava,

drmyshottyizsik

Not voting: ekiM, Prox, The Fonz, yabbaguy

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Votecount 2.035

drmyshottyizsik

- 3 -

Alduskkel

,

Zajnet

, The Fonz

Zajnet

- 2 - Netlava,

drmyshottyizsik

Not voting: ekiM, Prox, yabbaguy

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Final Day Two Votecount 2.04

drmyshottyizsik

- 5 -

Alduskkel

,

Zajnet

, The Fonz, yabbaguy, Netlava

Zajnet

- 1 -

drmyshottyizsik

Not voting: ekim, Prox

[ekiM]

The only reason not to massclaim today would be to allow the doctor a chance at a save. However, to get that chance we'd have to lynch the mafia blocker today and even then the scum have an even shot at targeting the doctor. I think we'd be helped more by massclaim, either clearing one person or making the lynch a choice between two.

I don't know how we want to pick an order. Most suspected goes first? Then either popcorn or we somehow decide on an order between us. So we need to hear hear from everybody. Prox? The Fonz?

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Something I notice is that both nights the scum kill was on a town PR (assuming Dry-Fit was the vig kill). So I'm thinking maybe at least one of them was caught by the spy? Zajnet was the main non-dr wagon D2 so I think that's likely the case there, or they picked up some tells. The Ythan kill did remove the main Alduskkel attacker also, though. Hmm.

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Looking at the wagons.

Early D1 the wagons that got any steam were Netlava and Ythan. Ythan asked an anti-town question, Netlava sheeped without thinking. The Fonz pointed out Netlava's sheep, I followed, so did dr, Prox when he came in.. Ythan wagon was Ald, beef, then later yabbaguy and Dry-Fit.

At 1.07 it was 3-3 between Netlava and Ythan. At 1.08 the Netlava wagon had collapsed and Beefster was up to 4 votes. Then it was Ythan vs. Beef for a bit, before the Ythan wagon collapsed and it became Beef-Dry until lynch.

Day 2, yabba and Netlava come out swinging at Zajnet and Prox. AldSCUM is on dr, Zaj and Net(sheeping Ythan)/Prox(gut).I like Prox and dislike Zaj and dr. Fonz likes yabba and is confused by Prox following Ythan against Al. yabba convince dr to vote Zaj. Ald is almost ready to put Zaj at L-1. Fonz is happy with it too. Then I come up with my set-up analysis and we go with that. Nobody objects. yabba suggests Doc claim then takes it back. Lynch is Ald, Zaj, Fonz, yabba, net.

Day 1 was kind of a mess. I guess the main question is: is Netlava scum? If Netlava is town then there wasn't a major wagon on scum all of D1, which isn't very useful. If he's scum then his wagon was started by Fonz, followed by me, and briefly interested Prox.

Day 2 I think the questions are: did scum know Zaj was vig? Were they trying to get him lynched. Alduskkel mildly supported the lynch, so I think we can say they wanted him dead. The only person who never supported his death was Prox, but he was kind of lurky. Hmm.

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kyle

Prox

- His held-back theories on Alduskkel being mafia spy were weird but feel genuine. Now we know Ald is scum it looks even better for Prox. No offense, but I'm not seeing Prox pulling off complicated distancing like that. The way he seemed to genuinely interrogate people and then change his opinion based on that was good too. I really think this guy is town.

The Fonz

- Nobody suspected this guy at all D1 and D2. I can't really fault his play, except for ending up pushing townies. I wonder why he hasn't been targeted for a kill, being the most "famous" player, and not suspected. Maybe because they feared a protect, maybe because they were hunting power roles. Pushed Netlava early on, but that could be distancing or real.

yabbaguy

- Again, I don't remember anyone at all suspecting him. I like his inquisitiveness throughout and attempts to focus the town. Believing dr seems good. He did pile on Zajnet yesterday, but he did look scummy as hell. The doc-claim idea seems more likely to come from town I think. Although, if he's scum who knows dr is truthuful... bleh.

Netlava

- Obviously there's his early game sheep onto Ythan's question. His scumhunting throughout has been poor. Opportunistic at times. Bleh.

I don't really know. Those are my initial thoughts. I think Prox is town and between the other three I'm not sure yet, but Netlava looks worst. I think it's massclaim time, eh.