NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[Shanba]

Vote: Mysterio

On both wagons, some weird reasoning, contributed little of value. Fits my expectations of what scum would be doing to a tee.

[flinter]

It's a clear sign you need a reread when you see Mysterio's name popping up, and think: "Hey, wasn't that the player on top of my scumlist yesterday?"

[Shanba]

How much attention are you actually paying to the game, flinter?

[flinter]

I was paying attention, I promis. But during the end of day 1, real life became quite busy and I didn't find the time to play well here. I won't make posts if I don't think they add anything to the game. In that ime I forgot most of my reads.

It will get better now.

[xRECKONERx]

I'm sorry, are we seriously not lynching dana for targeting the dead player?

[Bunnylover]

Anyone who was cop would have targeted DavidPaker who claimed he was the cop to in a try to lynch Dana.
We have to believe in Dana claim, which is most likely true since I don't see anyone else countering it.

[Wraith]

Choo choo, all aboard the wagon to Mislynch Station!

[Wraith]

Unvote Vote: Wraith

This is a test.

[Flameaxe]

Votecount 2.2

Wraith [5] (Xite, ConfidAnon, danakillsu, Gorrad, Wraith)

Bunnylover [2] (Flinter, @.@)
Hiphop [1] (Prozac)
UltimaAvalon [1] (UltimaAvalon)
dana [1] (Reck)
Orochi [1] (Robbnva)
Mysterio [1] (Shanba)

Not Voting [9] (Hiphop, Kise, Wickedestjr, Mysterio, Singersigner, Benmage, Orochi, Sebguer, Bunnylover)

With 21 alive it will take 11 for a lynch and 11 for a no lynch.

[Robbnva]

Anyone who was cop would have targeted DavidPaker who claimed he was the cop to in a try to lynch Dana.
We have to believe in Dana claim, which is most likely true since I don't see anyone else countering it.

if I was a cop, and it was any other player, yeah I would probably investigate the person claiming my role

BUT right before DP claimed it was posted he fake claims often even when he is town, plus later he changed to say he breadcrummed Doc

it is that point that clearly he isn't mafia and he is VI instead

now Dana not realizing that makes him either a stupid cop or not a cop at all. Cause what easier way to keep your cop story alive than to claim you investigated the dead guy.

Now I'm not ready to lynch Dana just yet cause he could just be a stupid cop.

[Benmage]

Post 706 is too much fence sitting for me.

1)We had two cop claim? I missed that, I thought we had a Vanillia townie claim who then switch to Doc. claim.

That was furc... Not david.

Dana posted that he actually read someone, who just so happened to die, and got innocent.
I just don't believe it x_x.

I don't think Dana is scum

What are you thinking than?

1)Never said I wasn't good at mafia, said I wasn't good at scum hunting.

w.t.f

4)I want Dana to explain, it is suspicious that the same person he invistigated died too. That why I made the comment "Why DavidParker when their were more people who were suspicious?" I didn't know people had suspicion of him, it was a shock to me.

This is so obvious, do you understand now that dana has stated the obvious?

vote Bunnylover

Huge VI...VI-town or VI-scum can always be tough to discern, but I'm happy with this vote.

[Benmage]

now Dana not realizing that makes him either a stupid cop or not a cop at all. Cause what easier way to keep your cop story alive than to claim you investigated the dead guy.

I think things will unravel around dana to out him if this claim if fake...that said I don't foresee him being todays lynch.

[Wickedestjr]

"nhammen, Mafia Goon" suggests that there is only one group. Probably an SK or vig out there as well. (I'm pretty sure it's SK though. I don't know who would've vigkilled nhammen.)

Okay, I would be very upset if we lynched Wraith or danakillsu right now. There are MANY better candidates... like Porochaz:

I cant really say Im unhappy with the nights results scum and 2 really annoying players. Interesting one non the less, I guess they couldn't risk him actually being a cop. Will look at nhammens posts more deeply later.

Until then

vote hiphop

What?!? I thought you said you were satisfied with hiphop's contributions? Why are you voting him again if this is the case? You are just making that switch to the Frank bandwagon look even worse.

1. he only posts 3 times and 1 is a confirm post
2. he avoids a frank bandwagon, and he tries to throw other names out there to distract people from frank
3. he criticizes another player for lack of posting, but the game has been open for 6 days when he posts only is 3rd post
4. his biggest and most telling tell, he is getting "null" vibes from all the people he just names (me being one of the ones he named) and he is getting "pro town" vibes on 3 or 4people but refuses to name him, why on earth would he not name those people unless those people he is protecting.

This is a really bad case.

1)Never said I wasn't good at mafia, said I wasn't good at scum hunting.

Scumslip? If you are town, then not being good at scumhunting means that you aren't good at mafia. Either it is a slip or a terrible defense.

Lynch me if you will, but if you are I'm not expending any effort to defend myself. I'm tired of getting lynched as town and want to move on.

I thought you said you were fine with getting lynched today after we lynched Frank. Why have you changed your mind or have I remembered wrong?

I'm not done catching up yet, but I'm too tired to focus on the game too much now. In addition to Porochaz and Bunnylover, I also suspect singersigner, Robbnva, and another player who's identity I will reveal when I'm done catching up (I'll try to make that as soon as possible).

[Porochaz]

I cant really say Im unhappy with the nights results scum and 2 really annoying players. Interesting one non the less, I guess they couldn't risk him actually being a cop. Will look at nhammens posts more deeply later.

Until then

vote hiphop

What?!? I thought you said you were satisfied with hiphop's contributions? Why are you voting him again if this is the case? You are just making that switch to the Frank bandwagon look even worse.

No I never said that, stop putting words into my mouth. I said frank had been pushed up past hiphop in my estimations, as is prone to happen in mafia games. So changing my vote isn't unusual. I said that he had started contributing, not that I was satisfied with it. I am now voting him because he is back at the top of my suspicions list. The way you keep pushing this when I am just playing the game is really weird. I vote hiphop. Frank does something scummy, I change my vote to Frank, Frank gets lynched, I vote hiphop again. Seems fair and I really dont get your point.

[Bunnylover]

Anyone who was cop would have targeted DavidPaker who claimed he was the cop to in a try to lynch Dana.
We have to believe in Dana claim, which is most likely true since I don't see anyone else countering it.

if I was a cop, and it was any other player, yeah I would probably investigate the person claiming my role

BUT right before DP claimed it was posted he fake claims often even when he is town, plus later he changed to say he breadcrummed Doc

it is that point that clearly he isn't mafia and he is VI instead

now Dana not realizing that makes him either a stupid cop or not a cop at all. Cause what easier way to keep your cop story alive than to claim you investigated the dead guy.

Now I'm not ready to lynch Dana just yet cause he could just be a stupid cop.

No it was Furclow who said he breadcrumbed Doc.
Its a troubling situation, but I believe Dana needs to survive for now.
@Benmage: I don't understand your vote. Your voting for me for fence sitting, when I was seeking for answer so I can make an educated vote.
I know it was Furclow who claimed VT then Doc, I stated that in the post your quoted, what I had forgotten was that DP claimed Cop even though he was a VT. I was thinking that I wanted Dana to explain so I can say ok this guy is scum his explanation doesn't help his case or ok that makes perfect sense to why you invistigated him, but he doesn't have to because DP claimed cop which was a lie so Dana was obviously going to investigate him since he knew he was lying. If I had remember that DP claimed cop, I wouldn't have asked. Don't understand what your "wtf" at. I forgot DP claimed, I've said that like 14 times already.

[Robbnva]

@wicked, cause I can't quote your WOT on my iPhone

my case for that guy isn't that bad actually, some people when they are mafia lurk and avoid day 1 wagons

just cause somebody posts a little or a lot doesn't really matter, it's the content of their posts and my read, it is scummy. And I have seen mafia do almost the same thing in games before so I'm not going to rule him out as a suspect

now when I get on a pc, I'll have to read up on today's posts, way too much to read on my phone

[Wraith]

@wicked: You probably remembereed wrong, but I don't really care. If you are so sure that I am scum then lynch me. I dare you.

[Robbnva]

@wicked: You probably remembereed wrong, but I don't really care. If you are so sure that I am scum then lynch me. I dare you.

Now you know this isn't the best way to turn a wagon around

[danakillsu]

Anyone who was cop would have targeted DavidPaker who claimed he was the cop to in a try to lynch Dana.
We have to believe in Dana claim, which is most likely true since I don't see anyone else countering it.

if I was a cop, and it was any other player, yeah I would probably investigate the person claiming my role

BUT right before DP claimed it was posted he fake claims often even when he is town, plus later he changed to say he breadcrummed Doc

it is that point that clearly he isn't mafia and he is VI instead

now Dana not realizing that makes him either a stupid cop or not a cop at all. Cause what easier way to keep your cop story alive than to claim you investigated the dead guy.

Now I'm not ready to lynch Dana just yet cause he could just be a stupid cop.

Do I have to say this again? It really doesn't matter who the player is or what their pattern is! DP could use the common knowledge that he fakeclaims as town to keep people from investigating him unless the real cop is actually smart. IF YOU ARE COP, YOU MUST ALLLLLLWWWWWAAAAAYYYSSS, ALWAYS, INVESTIGATE YOUR CC! I don't have to be a stupid cop to be a cop, I have to be a fairly smart cop to be a cop.

[danakillsu]

And Wraith's invitation to lynch him should just make you want to lynch him more. Suggestions for tonight's investigation?

[flinter]

5) Kise
6) Wickedestjr
10) Shanba
11) Seth Gorrad
13) ConfidAnon
16) Porochaz
23) Reck

One of these, I think. Seen their play, all these would normally stay in the game long. If any of them proves to be scum, you made it easier for town, with the amount of easy lynches around. If you find a town, you might have a bigger chance you;ll find a decent scumhunter that might lead the way to victory (together with a suitable protector )

[singersigner]

Seen their play, all these would normally stay in the game long.

What do you define as "play that normally stays in the game longer"? And do you mean on town's terms or scum's terms? Those are two very different game plays, since one could get you lynched during the day, and the other could get you NKed, and very dangerous to bring up since it only invokes a whole lot of WIFOM.

[flinter]

Seen their play, all these would normally stay in the game long.

What do you define as "play that normally stays in the game longer"? And do you mean on town's terms or scum's terms? Those are two very different game plays, since one could get you lynched during the day, and the other could get you NKed, and very dangerous to bring up since it only invokes a whole lot of WIFOM.

These are either players that aren't noticed a lot, or players that seem to be quite experienced and probably are aware of the things to come, rather then that they are playing a short-term game. Mostly the less aggressive players. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few scum there.

[ConfidAnon]

Unvote Vote: Wraith

This is a test.

You failed the test.

You have yet to defend yourself, and you have yet to expound upon your vote on me. Now you're just trolling. Way to ruin the game for people! If your not going to play, don't sign up for the game.

[Mysterio]

Wraith sounds like a good lynch for today. His play has been everything other than pro-town, so he's most likely to be scum than anyone else at this point.

Vote: Wraith

@Shanba, do you mind actually making a case for your random vote? How was my reasoning strange? And how did I not contribute?

As for dana, his investigation choice makes perfect sense to me. Bunnylover's post was apparently based on a misunderstanding (he didn't know Parker claimed cop), so I'll give him a pass for now. Although I'm not sure how you managed to miss that.