/Invitational 11: Pick your Poison 5 (Game Over)

[ekiM]

Hoopla was making herself scarce in the face of a growing wagon. I considered that to be scum giving up.

She was already failing to contribute much, joking around with people suspecting her earlier. What changed? There were 7 votes on her when you said "Hoopla is the EASY LYNCH DU JOUR. This was decided last night in the QT." "[low activity is] a sign we're lynching a townie, and the scum don't want to rock the boat." There were 6 votes on her when you decided she was giving up in the face of a growing wagon.

Agree all that needs to be said on this has been said. KMD is town, we'll all know if Elmo is town tomorrow. Stop talking about it.

I don't think KMDscum is bussing Elmoscum. I don't think KMDscum fabricated a result on Elmotown that happened to be true. So I'm rolling with "KMD is confirmed town". We'll have to wait for tomorrow for the truth on Elmo.

o_O

Mmm, I was composing 487 when I saw what KMD had said and responded with 485.

If Elmo had a big re-read to find new suspects last night I'd quite like to know who his other suspects are. Or was it just Amished?

TRANSLATED:

pssst... elmo, level with me, who's on your short list for tonight so we know if we should block you? *wink*

Hmm, I see what you're saying. So Elmo should say nothing today, then?

[Patrick]

Votecount

ekiM (2) -- Ellibereth, Rhinox
zoraster (1) -- Kmd4390
VasudeVa (3) -- Seraphim, ooba, SpyreX
ooba (2) -- Papa Zito, VasudeVa
DrippingGoofball (2) -- mith, ekiM

Not voting: Everyone else
17 alive, 9 to lynch.

Deadline: 11th of September, 6 am GMT.

[Papa Zito]

Vote: ooba

Thanks Vas.

Since these kids seem to be unable to think for themselves, why don't you explain to them why we're voting ooba?

[VasudeVa]

Because we're Town and he's not?

*virtual fist pump!*

Also, that votehop was lazy as hell.

[Seraphim]

Also, that votehop was lazy as hell.

[SpyreX]

Damnit, beaten.

Yea.

[VasudeVa]

I have a post restriction. I need to act as scummy as possible or I get modkilled.

[VasudeVa]

Also, I frickin' love Grease!

[Plumegranate]

Greaat, now that I'm actually trying to be useful, people attack me for trying to be useful. Geez, you people are hard to please.

Vote: ooba

@Seraph: Daytalk. If you've played scum with Daytalk before, you'd know that I don't have daytalk. Do you honestly believe that my scumbuddies would coach me to be dense and play like I did? Don't you think that maybe after like, the 3rd or 4th vote they would've 'Yo Vas, stop BWing lol'. And when people started calling me out on Daytalk, do you think my scumbuddies would say 'Yo Vas, attack everyone attacking you lol.'

I feel like this is a bunch WIFOM and AtE all mixed up together. Or something.

-Pom

[Rhinox]

Here's an idea...lets ignore the VVI and lynch scum.

Hmm, I see what you're saying. So Elmo should say nothing today, then?

Elmo should just play the game, and try to lynch scum like the rest of us.

Why did you specifically ask about elmo's other reads?

[Kmd4390]

Vas, I hope you aren't being serious. There's obviously no post restriction.

[SaintKerrigan]

Semi V/LA due to school schedule.

If this is a problem, Patrick, I've no qualms with being replaced.

Since I haven't been able to find time to do the full read I've been promising, I'm just going to explain why I think, based on what I've seen thus far, that Seraphim is scum.

The main issue is his case against Vasude Va. The case doesn't read like an honest case to me; it reads more like an artificial case that presents reasoning that looks good on paper, but when you actually think about it, it doesn't hold water. I'm not entirely sure yet how to explain why it feels this way to me (other than it looks fake), but it does not make me feel good about Seraphim's alignment.

There were some other things as well that I can't recall at the moment (and don't have time to because I have to leave five minutes ago), but I'm tired of not getting my opinion more fully on the board, and judging by the last vote count, Seraphim needs some attention.

Vote: Seraphim.

[SaintKerrigan]

Mod: Please fix the bold tags.

Done. Flay

[Plumegranate]

So, where I'm at right now...

Town

(in no particular order)
DGB
Elmo
KMD
Hero
Troll
VV

Everyone Else

ekiM
Ellibereth
mith
MME + SK
ooba
PZ
Plum
Seraph
Spy
Zora

What puts VV into Town? I mean, he's not that scummy, but I don't see why he's town.

[Rhinox]

Because if you're not scum, the only other option in this game is town.

Why do you ask if you don't think he's scummy?

[Kmd4390]

But it wasn't a scumlist. It was an everyone else list. What makes vas "town" rather than "everyone else"? Id assume the "town" list is town reads and everyone else is those who don't fit. So why does vas fit as town?

[ooba]

Zito's ooba vote is understandable

P.834 has a lot of text but very little on your stances as to who is scum and why. (except ekim). Why is PZ's vote understandable?

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Greaat, now that I'm actually trying to be useful, people attack me for trying to be useful.

There's a difference between trying to appear useful and actually trying to be useful.
- In the post I mentioned, You've asked questions to Spy, PZ, me and eli
- First of all, I cannot really fathom the questions as they don't appear to have a scum hunting base behind them. This was the initial reason why I voted you.
- Second, apart from me - none of the other three have answered the question posed to them. They have posted after that. Also, you have posted after them but don't seem to care whether they reply or not. Therefore, you just asked questions to appear useful with no real aim of scumhunting.

I know your town meta from Greek mythology where you were relentless with the questions and made sure people answered them. Far too many people seem to be playing the Vas-newbie\VI card to derail this wagon; Once you flip scum, that'll be a good place to start looking for your scumbuddies.

[VasudeVa]

I actually played a lot like I played from D1 here to my D1 in Greek Mythology. The only difference is, I did not get lynched.

Greek mythology: Try to do something lazily, get voted to L-1, RAGE MODE, Lynch. x.X.
Here: Try to do something lazily, get voted, RAGE MODE, not lynch, D2: proceed to trying to do something lazily.

Come on, ooba, you nominated that game for a scummy. Surely, you'd remember it better, hmm?

[Seraphim]

VasudeVa, it would be cool if I could believe you're town but you keep managing to up the scum quotient.

I really don't like how so many people are writing VV off as a VI, especially people like Rhinox who aren't proving any reasoning.

[ooba]

I actually played a lot like I played from D1 here to my D1 in Greek Mythology. The only difference is, I did not get lynched.

Greek mythology:

Try to do something lazily

, get voted to L-1, RAGE MODE, Lynch. x.X.
Here: Try to do something lazily, get voted, RAGE MODE, not lynch, D2: proceed to trying to do something lazily.

Come on, ooba, you nominated that game for a scummy. Surely, you'd remember it better, hmm?

Please - you might have started off on a lazy foot but you were nothing like that during the later half of the day. Greek mythology - game link for those who need them. Also read your questions - thats scumhunting with a purpose (ISO 33 for example)

Jesus Christ. Terrible playing you guys.

I brought my town A-game and tried to encourage discussion

from all the lurkiness that was going on, and I get lynched. Yay.

But if you're scum, not re-reading a meta game to I'm referencing to defend yourself is ridiculously bad (or reckless) scum play. You have any completed scum games?

[Plumegranate]

Because if you're not scum, the only other option in this game is town.

Why do you ask if you don't think he's scummy?

What Kmd said in 865.

Also, I didn't say that VV isn't scummy; I said that he isn't

that

scummy. Read carefully.

[Herodotus]

I'd like to know why PZ voted ooba and why Elli voted ekim.

Plumegranate, DGB, ekim, and Elli all deserve some attention today as possible scum.

[Rhinox]

There are no scummy motivations in his play, only apparent scumminess, and buzzword cases (opportunistic, wagon hopping, hypocritical, etc.). No motivation for scum to act how he is acting, drawing plenty of attention to himself. Perfect mislynch bait. He doesn't have to be super pro-town to be obv-not-scum.

Also, I didn't say that VV isn't scummy; I said that he isn't that scummy. Read carefully.

you're right, my bad. Who's scummier then?

[DrippingGoofball]

Plumegranate, DGB, ekim, and Elli all deserve some attention today as possible scum.

If Hero flips scum, on of the above players is his buddy, and it ain't me.

[Kmd4390]

I'm starting to agree with ooba. I could see vas/rhinox as scumbuddies