Mini 1034 - Castlevania Mafia (Game Over)

[UncertainKitten]

I'd rather lynch mafia, as I said, especially when we have no PROOF an SK exists, merely speculation.

[tanstalas]

And you've practically given out your full role claim so why stay vague on things like this:

There is a mechanism in place though that will not make it OP that I do not care to share.

?
Uh-uh. Not buying it.

If a majority of people want I will reveal this mechanic. It will tell you why it is not an OP role and why I do not believe that I take the powers for good.

[zwetschenwasser]

it doesn't matter how long you take the powers. if you have the potential to harness every power in the game it makes you very suspicious and an instant NK target at best.

[tanstalas]

it doesn't matter how long you take the powers. if you have the potential to harness every power in the game it makes you very suspicious and an instant NK target at best.

If the scum want to try and target me

[zwetschenwasser]

it's a simple risk. if it's temporary they'll probably target you tonight.

[zwetschenwasser]

that way they can get you out of the way sooner.

[SpyreX]

Are you duplicating or stealing?

Regardless, use some common sense ye old power roles tonight.

Additionally, STILL, he's not getting lynched today.

[UncertainKitten]

SpyreX at least gets it.

[SpyreX]

Thoughts on our little peekaboo parrot?

[tanstalas]

Are you duplicating or stealing?

Regardless, use some common sense ye old power roles tonight.

Additionally, STILL, he's not getting lynched today.

Based on my PM is sounds like I am duplicating, PM doesn't make reference to duplicating/stealing. I'll ask mod if the people who target me still retains their powers. Regardless even if he says they do and I tell you that I don't think anyone would believe me anyhow.

[SpyreX]

Homeboy stop playing the hands up card you're not getting lynched today so HELP ME HELP YOU

[jenniwren]

Okay...this game moves fast. I ended up not traveling today because my computer is still being repaired, and now I am using my parents' computer, but my dad is rushing me so he can raid. (Finally finished...started the read-through about eight hours ago.)

First, I apologize because I got way behind in this game because of other games, and catching up has been a bit of a pain. UK called it with "10 pages of chaff," and I agree because reading through it all is...slow going. Sorting through Zwet's claim and Tans' walls of self-defense and LMP's huge walls of quotes is tedious. However, I finally picked over it enough to find something and it seems to have picked up in the past few pages, so yay on both counts.

Next, I still had an RVS vote on CT, and after rereading everything, I feel fine keeping it there.

Abstract

(aka TL;DR)
Overall, CT is being exceedingly cautious in his play and indicates he’s looking for a good wagon to settle on. His later postings definitely demonstrate that he’s preparing to jump from Zwet’s wagon to MPR’s and is just looking for the right opportunity to make the switch as others migrate in that direction. He’s tunneled on Zwet so hard for so long that he can’t just up and unvote, so he’s dropping hints about his suspicions of MPR so that no one accuses him of vote-hopping. In each post he is careful not to nail himself down to anything, even his vote on Zwet, whom he has maintained is guilty almost from the beginning, allowing himself room to maneuver without drawing undue attention to that maneuvering. Also, he makes an interesting slip in post #148, which I address below in Point D.

Evidence

A)

The way he responds to Zwet’s first vote on him is, in tone,a lot more serious than required.

Giving you a second vote is hardly bandwagoning, and

either way it's at least as likely for town to bandwagon as it is for scum

. The fact you're already so worried about getting lynched you're resorting to an OMGUS vote makes you look worse than you did before.

Bolded area is a superfluous qualification of the first clause. Read his posts and look for this type of language; you'll find it in abundance.

B)

His analysis of Zwet in Post #148 is also full of qualifying information; he retracts his accusations about the BW being scummy, because of what other people say about it and about his reaction.

Though reading more posts about it I can see how I overreacted a bit, and it's not a scum tell, so I won't just judge him on that.

C)

Also in Post #148, he suggests Tans and Zwet are scumbuddies who are distancing. He then says

Right now I think I'll leave vote on zwet, because I find them equally scummy, so there's no need to change it.

(Coming back to this in point E.)

D)

Another gem in this post (148):

@everyone, what alignment is most likely to not pay attention to detail in posts?

Townie, because mafia need to pay attention to everything they say, to make sure they don't do something stupid to get caught, so they're focus is a bit more defensive, where townies are more focused catching scum, so they tend not to worry as much about defense.

At first I thought this post was about

reading

; then I realized it’s about WRITING. The most interesting thing about this, though, is that it’s a response to Tanstalus’s quote about READING (Post #141), as indicated by the rest of the quote:

If you are town you are scouring everyones posts for the smallest tell.

I think it’s interesting that CT is thinking of being careful not in reading, but in writing, to the point that he misreads the question and responds based on the misread. This misunderstanding of Tans' question is an unusual slip and reveals what CT is being careful about in the game.

E)

In post #219, CT decides to defend Tans for "flailing." Now that others have used this word and this analogy, he backs off his claim in Post #148 which basically found Tans very scummy for flailing.

F)

In Post # 266, he has this to say.

Basically, there's a chance [Tans] is fact just a sloppy scum, but right now I don't feel that way and think zwet would be the much better lynch, because he seems more in control of himself, and looks like he's deliberately playing scummy, which I don't like.

I also agree about lurking being a big problem, and if I wasn't so convinced zwet was scum, I'd consider voting MPR as well, just because he needs to contribute something soon. In other news, I'm liking Dekes so far, so there's someone else I could add to my list of town reads. Right now my only strong scum read is zwet, but I'm not liking the inaction from MPR, and anyone I haven't mentioned could potentially be scum, but I still haven't had enough time to look into them.

It looks like he is still going to push the Zwet vote, but is leaving room to—or perhaps preparing to—jump wagons if he needs to do so. Phrasings like “there’s a chance” and “If I wasn’t so convinced…I’d consider voting…” and “anyone I haven’t mentioned” are also suspect. He’s again indicating that we shouldn’t be surprised to see him jump wagons if someone else gets a good wagon going on another player.

G)

And yeah, I get that zwet may be similar in his other games, but just in general the way he comes off I'm not liking at all, and with that type of player I'd always prefer to have them lynched because even if he's town I'm not finding him terribly helpful, and so far he's done nothing to make me think he's town. I've never got the point of playing mafia if you're going to be that deliberately unhelpful. MPR's fishing is getting ridiculous though, so I'm also suspicious of him.

This still looks like he’s balancing between two people who are receiving negative attention right now, which again indicates he’s looking for the best wagon.

[Kdub]

Vote Count

LynchMePls (0)

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SpyreX (0)

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jenniwren (0)

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UncertainKitten (1)

- McGriddle

MehPlusRawr (5)

- UncertainKitten, Dekes, tanstalas, LynchMePls, zwetschenwasser

Katsuki (0)

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Dekes (0)

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Coach Travis (3)

- jenniwren, SpyreX, VasudeVa

zwetschenwasser (1)

- Coach Travis

McGriddle (0)

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VasudeVa (0)

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tanstalas (1)

- MehPlusRawr

No Lynch (0)

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Not Voting (1)

- Katsuki

12 votes available, 7 votes needed to lynch.

Deadline is September 16, ~ 9 am PDT.

[tanstalas]

Are you duplicating or stealing?

Regardless, use some common sense ye old power roles tonight.

Additionally, STILL, he's not getting lynched today.

Based on my PM is sounds like I am duplicating, PM doesn't make reference to duplicating/stealing. I'll ask mod if the people who target me still retains their powers. Regardless even if he says they do and I tell you that I don't think anyone would believe me anyhow.

If anyone cares/believes - you do not lose your ability

[VasudeVa]

Tanstalas, how does your role claim make sense with your name claim flavorwise?

I totally agree that it sounds SK-riffic. Couple that with tanstalas' apparent paranoia, I don't feel too good about it.

@Dekes: Was he this paranoid during your newbie game together? How do you describe Tanstalas' play back then? What was he, Town or scum?

@Coach: I move my vote where I think it needs to be. Accuse me of bandwagoning at your peril.

@SpyreX: I didn't hear you comment about zwet's nameclaim, only say that he's Town. Explanations?

[tanstalas]

I am just going by what the wiki said, as I have not played the game, but it said basically she could absorb runes powers.

[zwetschenwasser]

you're still being paranoid, no matter your excuse.

[McGriddle]

SpyreX at least gets it.

You buddy up a loooot

Vote: UncertainKitten

[UncertainKitten]

Oh my. Is that all you have? Can you tell me how my supposed buddying is any scummier than anything else in this thread? Or perhaps how agreeing with SpyreX, who actually made the same points I made all game, benefits scum?

[McGriddle]

And yes I already know my vote is there, it was more of a confirmation vote.

[UncertainKitten]

Huh, I actually missed it before :V.

[McGriddle]

Oh my. Is that all you have? Can you tell me how my supposed buddying is any scummier than anything else in this thread? Or perhaps how agreeing with SpyreX, who actually made the same points I made all game, benefits scum?

Yes, and no.

[UncertainKitten]

To which questions? Yes to that being all you have and no to any ability to actually explain it?

[SpyreX]

Ohh lordy be McG swing and a miss.

@SpyreX: I didn't hear you comment about zwet's nameclaim, only say that he's Town. Explanations?

Nah bro, no explanations at the moment. If I need to get into it (hint: I don't) I will. Further, it should be readily apparent if I'm right about our parrot that he's town.

[VasudeVa]

Oh, McGriddle. You so crazy.

That's not buddying at all. Buddying is, from what I understand, is saying 'This guy is Town!' with little to no reason for the purposes of manipulating the poor Townie who doesn't know who to trust. I don't think agreement with someone is buddying at all. (Unless of course, I'm wrong with my understanding of the term buddying.)

What made you think/say that she was buddying Spy?