/Invitational 11: Pick your Poison 5 (Game Over)

[SaintKerrigan]

I agree with everything mith said regarding Seraphim in his most recent post.

Also, ISO'ed Vasude Va. He's town. Get the hell off him.

[SpyreX]

Kind of my point - shooting KMD or VV directly contradicts what I've previously said. I don't know why you'd lynch me if I shot Zoraster - I thought he was scummy, you didn't, so I must be mafia? Whatever.

Huh?

Why are you voting in that manner based on the events of Day 0 while you were basically completely uninterested in getting views and so on during it?

Hoopla, could you explain why the "lynch all claimed power roles" part of your plan was a good idea, or link to why? I don't think I ever saw an explanation, and I don't get it.

vote kmd4390

About the only thing I dislike is the lurking; I don't think it makes him scummy, but it does make me more willing to lynch him, if that makes sense.

This VasudeVa business doesn't look to be built on much, as far as I can see, although Amished's stance appears to suck. KMD is doing not a great deal, I could probably go with him dying still - mith, why did you think his behaviour was somewhat townish?

Hoopla>VasudeVa>>>zoraster I guess? I forgot we were this close to deadline when

wagoning zor, I don't particularly want to kill him

:V

That's what I based this all on: looks like I was the most wrong about DGB but that sure looks like rationales for shots on VV or KMD and most definitely a rationale to NOT shoot Zor.

Soooo, what? How would those shots have contradicted what you've previously said.

[Elmo]

The jump to suspect you was because I picked up that KMD had rolebased info, so I rolled with it.

You knew exactly what kind of role-based info, though. He claimed "Elmo killed Amished". Given that you thought I was town previously, how does that translate to suddenly thinking I'm scum rather than a vig?

SpyreX: You've just quoted me saying that I don't buy into pretty much any of the case against VV. Shooting him largely contradicts that, or at least I would be getting flack for it.
You've also quoted me asking mith about KMD - If I remember right, I later agreed with him that KMD was townish. I could have shot him, but it would have contradicted something I'd said and I would still be getting flack for it in the same way.
With respect to zoraster, I'm shooting someone Night 1. I don't have a burning need to kill him in particular, but standards don't have to be particularly high - anyone who I don't think is town or interesting to keep alive will do. The fact that I'm willing to randomly wagon him should imply I'd be fine picking him, in my opinion. But yeah, I would still be getting flack for that too, though I disagree with it. Do you see a pattern yet? It's ridiculous. Anyway, this discussion is pretty much also a waste of electricity.

With respect to tonight, if I successfully hide my reads then I'll probably be blocked anyway. I dunno what to do about that.

[Herodotus]

Anyway, this discussion is pretty much also a waste of electricity.

If Elmo is scum, he will die N2 unless the scum get lucky with a RB/JK action. I cannot see any possible pro-town reason for Spyrex to continue to argue against Elmo. If he's right, then he's vig-fishing; if he's wrong, then he's accomplishing nothing.

[DrippingGoofball]

The jump to suspect you was because I picked up that KMD had rolebased info, so I rolled with it.

You knew exactly what kind of role-based info, though.

I knew he had SOME rolebased info that made him quite certain that you were scum. I didn't even bother trying to figure out what rolebased info, because it's a waste of my precious neurotransmitters. Compromising-rolebased-info = wagon ho! KMD needed wagon-support.

He claimed "Elmo killed Amished". Given that you thought I was town previously, how does that translate to suddenly thinking I'm scum rather than a vig?

KMD hinted you might be. That's good enough for me.

Then you explained your decision, and mith is right, there is no point lynching you.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ SpyreX

WHERE ARE THE MOONBEAMS???

[Seraphim]

I agree with everything mith said regarding Seraphim in his most recent post.

Also, ISO'ed Vasude Va. He's town. Get the hell off him.

Thank you so much for providing such detailed and insightful reasons that clearly and obviously prove VasudeVa as town and myself as scum. Yep, lemme tell you, you sure convinced me. I am in a right state.

[Rhinox]

Seraph: is anyone besides VV scum?

[Kmd4390]

Seraph: is anyone besides VV scum?

Rhinox is.

[Patrick]

Votecount

ekiM (2) -- Ellibereth, Rhinox
zoraster (1) -- Kmd4390
VasudeVa (3) -- Seraphim, ooba, SpyreX
ooba (2) -- Papa Zito, VasudeVa
DrippingGoofball (2) -- mith, ekiM
Seraphim (1) -- SaintKerrigan

Not voting: Everyone else
17 alive, 9 to lynch.

Deadline: 11th of September, 6 am GMT.

@mod: could you update the first post regarding replacements? Thanks.)

I've put in SaintKerrigan, though My Milked Eek is expected back in a few days.

[SpyreX]

Fffff we've ground to a halt.

My moonbeams have died under the blinding light of headdesk with elmo AND team VV defense squadron.

[Ellibereth]

NOTE: VAS IS LURKING.

[Ellibereth]

I'm totally betting that tajo was right on at least one guy btw.

[VasudeVa]

Now look what you did, I have to post now. D:

[Ellibereth]

Now look what you did, I have to post now. D:

Hai. How are you?
And this:

VAS
Did you ever reply to tajo's stuff about your past town meta and this being all contradictory and stuff?

[VasudeVa]

...

No.

Let's step through this. Look at the night results. What do they tell you?

I....don't understand. Because he thinks tajo is the scum kill? Amished is on his earlier scum list and tajo is in his neutral list?

[VasudeVa]

Now look what you did, I have to post now. D:

Hai. How are you?
And this:

VAS
Did you ever reply to tajo's stuff about your past town meta and

this being all contradictory and stuff?

I didn't reply. I don't understand the bolded part.

Do you want me to answer tajo's question?

[Ellibereth]

Ive read the following games where you were town:

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14272&start=0
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=13633

I have no idea why you are refusing to post your playstyle in a paragraph. I know you can think, you were a feared townie in the Beatles game. You were very easy to read as town in Deathnote's game. This game, you are hoping wagons like crazy and providing really bad arguments to support your views.

^^^I meant this.
And whatever question you meant, sure!

[VasudeVa]

First off, I don't understand what's so different about me here and in DeathNote's game (NY111). I was so lazy over there, refusing to post for weeks. In the Beatles game, everyone was worse than I am since it was so filled with VIs and scummy townies so it was easy to take the reigns and command town. Even if I was the one who made the losing LyLo vote to a Townie. Also, there were fewer players and fewer walls to read so it was a much better atmosphere for me there.

This game, I don't know. Everyone has either said what I think or doing so much better that I don't really feel the need to do much effort. Also, D0 dragging on coupled with that really long D1, was really bad for morale.

Again, I said this over and over: I was suspicious of him knowing my meta. I'm being very honest about that and while I now understand that it had bad reasoning, that's what I really thought at that time and I didn't really want to lie about that because I feared that I might be caught lying and be get lynched.

---

Now for Tajo's question(May he rest in Peace.): My meta can be summarized as this: I have a reactive play style that's slightly inconsistent. I sometimes play good(like Beatles Mafia as Town, despite the loss and Rainbow Unicorn through successful WIFOM.) but more often I'm D1 lynchbait. I tend to play better when I give effort...but that mostly boils down to how people react to me. If I'm being listened to/people take me seriously, then I play better. Otherwise, I give up and be lazy.

[mith]

Mod:

Can we get a prod on Zorblag (and anyone else who hasn't posted recently... no time to check for myself right now)?

[Patrick]

I sent him a PM asking if he wants me to replace him, since he already picked up a prod a day or two ago.

ekiM and zoraster have been prodded.

[Plumegranate]

Vote: VasudeVa

.

He's lurking, and not doing anything productive when he does post.

Rhinox isn't making any sense defending him.

Kmd is town.

And I don't know if Plum shares my opinion on any of this.

-Pom

[Plumegranate]

EBWOP:

She doesn't especially. Pom, I'm going to sit you down on the bus to school tomorrow and talk about stuff like me having doubts on my previous VV read today, because we haven't had enough communication about this game since you came back. Suffice to say thatI am being persuaded partly against my will of something akin to a too-scummy-to-be-scum-argument, except it's more like too-attention-grabbing to be scum. It's one thing in a small game (where there's little leeway for policy/VI/annoying playstyle lynches/misvigs), but in a Large game like this - one where scum-VV would

know

there's a Vig who'd like as not be perfectly happy to shoot someone who plays like that Day 1, Day 2 - I do think we would be seeing something less provocative, less 'full of buzzwords' to paraphrase Rhinox. I have reservations about this, especially re: dearth of scumhunting as noted by Seraphim and ooba and all, but. Am questioning myself on a lot of things.

I joined the zoro wagon because... that's the one I liked best. I thought the slip could be good evidence and I thought the Hoopla and VV wagons were garbage. I didn't have any amazing revelations to start a new wagon a few days before deadline.

I reiterated the evidence later because mith asked people to explain why they liked which of the popular wagons. I moved to KMD because the zoraster wagon had died, and Hero seemed to think the KMD one might have some life if people started joining it.

Not seeing how any of this is scummy.

You argue eloquently. And your play since has been . . . more palatable? My scumread on some of your stuff may have been improperly exaggerated by my differing theory opinions.

We have a dearth of Zoro and Troll in this game. I'm trying to give Troll the benefit of the doubt because I don't recall seeing this from him before ever, Town or scum, but it's hard to update my read on him from 'a little tunnelly on Zito Day 1 (biased because I now have a confident Townread on Zito?)' without new stuff. Please SK I haven't got much read on yet, I have a mith Townread but I'm not sure if it'd be easy to get a scumread on him &c. This game is starting to wear on me.

UNVOTE: VV
VOTE: ooba

I'm going to sheep on Zito for a bit because he seems to have a clue and I certainly haven't been getting many warm fuzzy vibes from ooba in any case; he was another very questionable zoro-wagon hop yesterday. But. frustration. Lingers. Sorry for the schizo after Pom's post, but. Sister's don't always agree.

[Elmo]

I'm totally betting that tajo was right on at least one guy btw.

Well, his stated list was KMD, Amished, ekiM. Two are town; why aren't you taking a closer look at ekiM?

[Ellibereth]

Huh?
I thought it was Vas, Amished, ekiM with a side of Plumen.

And I'm voting ekiM. >.>