Ladies Night -- Game Over

[Ojanen]

UK is prob town btw.

[Fenchurch]

Okay first.

UNVOTE:

I haven't given the claim full consideration (and I can't find the breadcrumb in 428), but Apok is definitely not the lynch.

Haylen,

Those scenarios are completely different. For a start, you yourself didn't read the role PM's ect and didn't know the scum could Day Talk. That's not scummy. Obviously missing huge cases against players is.

I already said this: it's not that you didn't read the role pms, it's that you didn't read the game. You say "missing huge cases against players" is scummy, but by that logic then surely missing huge revelations that could confirm players is also scummy.

But beside that, I think you made some good points against camn (paragraphs 4, 6, 8, 10/11ish). I don't know if I'm as convinced as Ojanen is, but I will do a re-read.

[Haylen]

Thank you. No one ever said that to me before. =)

I acknowledge that I skimmed the game and I also acknowledge that it was bad play of me to do so. My sincere apologies to everyone who is reading the game thoroughly.

[Sotty7]

UK, calm down. There's no need to get like that. It's just a game. Geez... Although I must admit, your reaction to my attack only strengthens my suspicious of you.

Haylen's defence at UK is also noted. Specially taking into account that none of her points brought to counter my points are facts rather than just her personal opinion. And, last time I checked, why would a town defend another town like this if they are not sure of the alignment?

I also agree that Apok is looking quite bad with the delayed claim.

Unvote, vote: Apok

. It's claiming time.

UK's posting strengthens your suspicions on her yet you unvote and move over to your competing wagon. Not good. Was this simply a push for the claim? I have noted your soft progression of suspicion towards Apok as soon as you were given credit for not jumping on her right away.

I agree with UK in that the Apok situation, claim and all, should sort itself out over night.

= = = = =

Haylen's case on camn was better than I expected. The first few points where pretty weak, especially the Hoop/Haylen connection part not allowing for progression of suspicions etc. It gets better around the “wiggle room part” Not enough to sway my vote however.

Haylen, what do you think of DGB right now?

[Ojanen]

Haylen, make it 2. There was some good stuff in there.

I'd like to add a couple of things to the camn case.
I was so extremely exhausted and miserable today, and then something just totally clicked here.
This is the reason I play mafia. The sudden moments when you reverse your perspective and a moment of clarity happens. it's really cool. decided to give a shot at bringing up some stuff still today.

Look at her vote on Apok D1.

VOTE: Apokalyptika

You are suspect. I want diamonds.

I don't like your voting. It is all about the easiest vote possible.

And I don't like your meta-hunting. I think it is easier to build crapcases with meta. In fact, I have done it myself from time to time.

Blue part: Apok has voted Hoopla, camn and Paws.
Paws is an easy vote, but this is major hypocrisy. Camn is herself has sat on a Paws vote since before Apok. Anyway, what's wrong with policy lynching according to camn who supposedly loves those "easy votes"?
and how is the camn vote easy? camn considers herself very hard to mislynch. She often repeats it - example from this game:

@ All the scum: I am surprised you guys haven't figured this out yet..... I literally can't be mislynched. Stop trying. You are going to have to kill me.

violet part:

But this is nonsense. If you really thought it was 'bizarre' you would simply dig up some meta and all would be explained... But I doubt you will. I think you are just piling on for bandwagons sake... Which is meh. I like bandwagons. I am not worried about getting mislynched right now. I would like to see a better case though!

camn suggests Apok get her meta as a self-defence. When Apok does get camn and Hoopla meta though and finds Hoopla more suspicious for it, it's scummy.
If camn was sincere, she might comment on the quality etc. - this however is just that whatever Apok does, she will be seen as scummy.

Also: she is completely and utterly sniffing the winds with the Paws revote.
When Paws replaces out, she immediately posts this:

Frack.

unvote

then she isoes everyone and votes Apok.
However, others are less lenient. esurio and DGB talk about wanting to lynch anyway before replacement, and decide to want to do it.

camn then revotes.

When I enter the game and say I wouldn't lynch before claim/replacement, she comments:

Can we lynch Paws now? DO you really want to wait on a replacement and a claim? Cuz I don't. I am feeling bloodthirsty, as usual.

She thought at first it's "pro-town" to replace, then she sees she can get away with being gung-ho and joins the popular winds.

[Ojanen]

Also, anyone who has the slightest townvibe on me - please consider wagoning camn. Now. Quick wagons are awesome for information for various reasons and crack games open.
I haven't had this good a click in ages.
And when I get a good click, it's very good news. I've never ever bragged about that Scummies tag or really even referenced it before. But when I do have a click, I get accurate enough to have earned a tag, I think.
I am so sure I'm right about camn that I could willingly set my head up for vigging tonight, or lynch tomorrow if I'm wrong about camn.
In fact, I could do exactly that.

Dear town,
Please vote camn. Now. This clicks so hard for me that I'm willing to have my own head to be chopped next if I'm wrong about it.

Please comment on this in your next post.

[UncertainKitten]

When I feel like it I'll read camn in ISO. I wouldn't mind reassessing the situation concerning her, since there has to be SOME reason I thought she had scum intent at first, and I've been in the habit of second guessing myself.

[DrippingGoofball]

SnowWhite is town, Ojanen is town.

[DrippingGoofball]

This is what I think I have so far:

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Snow White chauchaudotcom
Ojanen
Fenchurch
Apokalyptika

PROB TOWN

Hoopla
UncertainKitten

OTHERS

Sucrose
camn (I have a town read, but I haven't read the case on camn yet)
Sotty7
cepi
Haylen
SnowBunny

[Hoopla]

Haven't read the camn case or thought too much about Apok's claim, as I'm only online quickly. but I'll support Ojanen's quickwagon plea.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: camn

[UncertainKitten]

I actually don't hate the case. Will do a quick read in ISO but am not against the camn bandwagon at all from what I've read.

[UncertainKitten]

camn's first serious post is still hilariously scummy.

That little policy lynch double talk was chaff.

Fuck, half her posts read as defusions of ANY attack on her. Tricky to use this as a tell though, since, guess what I just did in the past two pages? But, there's a difference I note. She's asserting nothing she stands accused of is scummy. I assert nothing I stand accused of is true.

...really, I'm not finding a lot of town intent, but I'm not sure I'm looking for it as closely as I'd like being so strongly influenced by the cases already made. But, I do note camn seems all over the place, and it often coincides with the mood of the town.

I can't really shake the feeling that she's bussing Snow_bunny hard, but we can determine that after her flip.

Unvote, Vote camn

[DrippingGoofball]

Read the case(s); camn is being her town self.

[cepi]

Im really struggling to believe the Apoka claim. First, she didnt claim what she did yesterday. Second, she breadcrumbed when she was pressured, which is something that scum do all the time when they want to fakeclaim... (where is the breacrumb anyway?). Then, if she were a power role, she would not have dissapeared when there was a posibility of lynch. And finally, townies claiming power role get the feeling of vindication because they subconsciously think their claim will confirm them and start hunting for the people that pushed the lynch. What does Apoka do? Go to take a nap?

So, yeah, I think Apoka is lying. But she is not the play today. I agree with that. What we should do is decide what to do with her kill. And if there is a real vig over there, please you know what to do now.

So after this, I suppose you all decided to go for an awesome wagon, maybe a snowbunny wagon, or maybe against mrs. haylen............ WAIT, CAMN WAGON?

Camn wagon is stupid as hell. You all should unvote her now. And Ojanen should be ashamed of herself because her camn case is a little - but only a little - more reasonable than Haylen's case, which is one of the worse cases Ive seen in my time here.

Tell me. Did or did not, Paws flip town? And she was also a newbie. Thus she was newb-town? Was I not right until I allowed myself to be pressured into viewing Paws a non-newbie? Tell me. Why am I not wrong about you

Just a little gem from that massive pile of BS. At the moment you called Paws newb town, THERE WAS NO INDICATOR of newb-town behavior in Paws. If you think Im wrong, Id really like you to go and find me a single reasonable evidence of newb town behavior. What is even worse is that you are using this as a way to clear yourself and attack camn, which is ridiculous in itself. Please die.

Vote: Haylen.

Unvote first, please.

[UncertainKitten]

^^^^^^^
RRRRRRRRNGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

Did I hear a chainsaw? I think I heard a chainsaw.

[cepi]

This is what I think I have so far:

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Snow White chauchaudotcom
Ojanen
Fenchurch
Apokalyptika

PROB TOWN

Hoopla
UncertainKitten

OTHERS

Sucrose
camn (I have a town read, but I haven't read the case on camn yet)
Sotty7
cepi
Haylen
SnowBunny

This I cant tolerate, specially from DGB.

Why there is no scum in this list=?

This only means one thing. DGB is also scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Im really struggling to believe the Apoka claim. First, she didnt claim what she did yesterday. Second, she breadcrumbed when she was pressured, which is something that scum do all the time when they want to fakeclaim... (where is the breacrumb anyway?). Then, if she were a power role, she would not have dissapeared when there was a posibility of lynch. And finally, townies claiming power role get the feeling of vindication because they subconsciously think their claim will confirm them and start hunting for the people that pushed the lynch. What does Apoka do? Go to take a nap?

I like this so much I'm kicking myself for not seeing it myself. <3 cepi. A very townie thought-process.

I will now show my appreciation:

unvote, vote: Haylen

[DrippingGoofball]

^^^^^^^
RRRRRRRRNGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

Did I hear a chainsaw? I think I heard a chainsaw.

That's not what that is, hun.

[cepi]

^^^^^^^
RRRRRRRRNGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

Did I hear a chainsaw? I think I heard a chainsaw.

I think camn is town. If a chainsaw is react to the stupid cases they are posting against her while at the same time letting scape the obv scumminess of the obv scumbags, then call it like that if you wish.

Do you really think camn is that scummy? More than Haylen? More than Snow?

What do you think of Haylen case?=

[DrippingGoofball]

This is what I think I have so far:

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Snow White chauchaudotcom
Ojanen
Fenchurch
Apokalyptika

PROB TOWN

Hoopla
UncertainKitten

OTHERS

Sucrose
camn (I have a town read, but I haven't read the case on camn yet)
Sotty7
cepi
Haylen
SnowBunny

This I cant tolerate, specially from DGB.

Why there is no scum in this list=?

This only means one thing. DGB is also scum.

It meant I hadn't read the camn case so I couldn't put her in "scum" and my read of SB is fuzzy. Let me clarify in the next post.

[DrippingGoofball]

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Snow White chauchaudotcom
Ojanen
Fenchurch
camn (I have a town read, but I haven't read the case on camn yet)
cepi

PROB TOWN

Hoopla
UncertainKitten

NULL

Sucrose
Apokalyptika

SCUM

Sotty7
Haylen
SnowBunny

[DrippingGoofball]

EBWOP: the caveat on camn is now cancelled, of course.

[cepi]

Haylen, where is your scumlist?

[DrippingGoofball]

Haylen, where is your scumlist?

In her PM, stupid.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, we'll see who's right then, won't we DGB. Camn needs to die.

Snow_Bunny is also acceptable, but less so.