Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[Furcolow]

I said "it does not equal pro-town always"

[Furcolow]

in harry potter it wasn't,

[Andrius]

Friend: Yeah, but RC was still a dick in W:WA. And alliances are not always pro-town. Read HP Mafia. That started Andy's Vengeance List O' Hate.

Poro: The list is good, but RC is still town.

He is better at that as town than he is as scum, apparently, because I see right through his little ploy now.

I am loads better as town than otherwise. Just see some of my latest scum-games.

porochaz/andrius with porochaz as recruiter
yosarian2/chronopie with chronopie as recruiter
i am also suspicious of the possibility of xvart being scum

Doubtful to #1, lol @ #2, Yes to #3.

[Furcolow]

well, i'd say it's higher than 20% out of my 5, but otherwise i agree with the majority of your post

[zwetschenwasser]

ITT dramonic lurks

[animorpherv1]

zwet:

I was only trying to convince Poro because he was pursuing me on playstyle. I have not tried it anywhere else.

[dramonic]

ITT dramonic lurks

This might have been a bad decision to play in, but I'll pull through!

[Porochaz]

zwet:

I was only trying to convince Poro because he was pursuing me on playstyle. I have not tried it anywhere else.

You did not answer my questions. Please do.

[animorpherv1]

That one about discusison points? That was the only one I saw. I answered it.

But TBH, if you can't find something to read in 27 pages, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. goo back and read the last 10 pages, and say that there is NOTHING that is scummy/townish at all that you haven;t touched on.

[ReaperCharlie]

ITT dramonic lurks

This might have been a bad decision to play in, but I'll pull through!

*Loves how dram hasn't posted in 3 days but as soon as he's called out for lurking he posts within 17 minutes*

Aim: Dram

It's been working before. He's always scum.

[animorpherv1]

Sure. I'll lynch dramonic unles she claims to have an excellent reason why he's lurking.

Holster, Aim: dramonic

[Me=Weird]

Friend - New playstyle throws me off a bit. Not leaning one way or another ATM, but I'd lump him into my voting bloc if he isn't

Vig'd/lynched.

The bolded implies either you know(or think, as there's

multiple

recruiters) he's not going to be killed by mafia, which you would have to be mafia to know. The other thing it could imply is that you know(or think, as there's

multiple

recruiters) he can't be killed by the mafia, which again you would only know if you're mafia, in this case with him.
I'd say that's a scum-slip.

Aim: Andrius
For the posting thing, WBA: Dram
MOD: How come we have to have a majority to lynch when we all have guns? Can't we just go around shooting whoever we want?

[ReaperCharlie]

Sure. I'll lynch dramonic unles she claims to have an excellent reason why he's lurking.

Holster, Aim: dramonic

y helo thar blatant bandwagon.

[Porochaz]

RC over reacted but I saw his point, I didnt feel it was worth the commotion, Friend clearly sheeped onto it as did Frank but then there is no sprise there. I have the opinion essentially yos does in 531/532. What do you think about it?

What else? surely you have more than one talking point?

This one.

That one about discusison points? That was the only one I saw. I answered it.

But TBH, if you can't find something to read in 27 pages, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. goo back and read the last 10 pages, and say that there is NOTHING that is scummy/townish at all that you haven;t touched on.

And don't pass this off, I'm not doing this so I can make my own opinions. We have talked about this already. I want to know what you think, not what I think.

[Mr. Flay]

MOD: How come we have to have a majority to lynch when we all have guns? Can't we just go around shooting whoever we want?

What, you've never heard of a Mexican Standoff?

[ReaperCharlie]

I am down for either a dram or an Andrius lynch.

[Chronopie]

I am down for either a dram or an Andrius lynch.

This.

Wave gun menacingly

a both.

[dramonic]

ITT dramonic lurks

This might have been a bad decision to play in, but I'll pull through!

*Loves how dram hasn't posted in 3 days but as soon as he's called out for lurking he posts within 17 minutes*

Aim: Dram

It's been working before. He's always scum.

I'm always there.
I just don't take the time to post "hey I'm there, but I'm not reading the thread right now!" everytime I could post <<

I just checked the latest posts and saw my name.

[ooba]

Well I'm not seeing much of quality going on. The level of lucidity behind the Andrius wagon is astonishing, I might be on it if I wasn't absolutely convinced about Friend.

Ooba: I thought you were town until that post you just made.

I don't understand the people with no vote out or the people on a lynch that is not going anywhere.

But here's the big deal. What in the name of all that is good in this world is going on with this alliance trash? You don't make alliances in a real game. This isn't a chat game, and this definitely isn't epicmafia. It's not helpful for the town, it's dumb, and it's annoying. Just stop.

I keep my vote on whoever I find the most suspicious. If its nearing deadline, I will shift.

And I thought you at least read the thread until this post you just made. I didn't involve myself with any alliance talk ..

[xvart]

1. Except their play is still town-leaning. "Spamming the thread" isn't reason to attack them heavliy. I was a Mason and spammed the HP game. XD "Being suspicious" does deserve attention, however their play is still town for the most part.
2. I'm serious. While its not something I build a case off of, townies are supposed to HELP the town, and encouraging RC to act out gets him NOWHERE. And I succeeded in halting the joking, nonchalant [right word?] behaviour, so it was a win in my book.
3. More than 2. Because there's most likely more than 2 scum in this game. And there will be more, so.
4. I'm not asking for an apology. That'd be dumb.

This is where it starts to get interesting with your solid scum read on me.

1. Part of your solid scum read on me is because in my second post I questioned obvious targets. Then, after my response, you come back and say the people I was questioning (Fucolow, gandalf, and Friend) are leaning town. Then, about four hours later, you accuse Furcolow of being scummy and about seven hours later you say Friend is the likely scum in the alliance. What happened to them leaning town? And what happens to your case on me being scum now that two of the people I questioned are actually scum (remember, you said it wasn't actually that they were easy targets but rather that they were leaning town)?

2. The fact that you are serious makes me laugh. But it makes me laugh more that you realize your solid read of me is made up of such baseless lunacy that you have to justify a one line post saying I liked one RC post for non game content related reasons as cheerleading RC and egging him on, encouraging him to not contribute, as scum motivation. Again, why do you not comment on my post saying zwet's post was my second favorite (for non game related content)?

3. So in a game with 20 people, where it seems that there were two scum N0 that both probably recruited leaving four possible scum, I have to have more than two scum reads? Isn't that a little ridiculous? I suppose I could just go around throwing "hai guyz I found scum" lines like you do, but strangely enough, some players have different playstyles. I tend to focus on a smaller number of people, and in all honesty; I typically tunnel on one person until they are lynched or I am convinced otherwise. But, in order to appease you, you have been added to my scum list due to your scummy case building. That's three scum reads, so now this scumtell of yours is invalid.

4. So you don't have a follow up comment on the fact that I have posted just slightly over the average of one post per day? Do you accuse everyone in all your games that don't post more than an average of once per day? Is this really a reliable scumtell? Especially coming from someone who seems to understand that there is a difference between people who are busy and people who are not busy outside of MS.

One final question: if you seriously thought you found scum with me and weren't simply throwing out random scum reads you thought you could later justify if questioned about it, why didn't you follow up on it? Why didn't you ask me any questions? Why didn't you make a bigger deal out of it?

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After reviewing my suspicions on Friend, I feel like a lot of my case on him is more repeated possibly circumstantial evidence. I think his play has been riddled with independently scummy things that might indicate scum alignment; but Andrius' fake scummy case building is much more likely to come from scum independent of anything else and is much more scummy than all the little scummy things that Friend continues to do.

I encourage everyone to go back and at least look at his first suspicion of me where he says I attack town leaning people (Furculow, Friend, and gandalf) when he later calls Furculow and Friend scum. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

Holster
Aim: Andrius

xvart.

[Yosarian2]

Ok, sure, I agree that my claim was bad, but it got pressure of of a mislynch so that's good.

Um. Lying to avoid getting pressured is what scum do, especially lying about your role to avoid pressure and prevent being lynched, and especially making vauge undefined claims to make it harder to be caught in a lie later. Town should never do that kind of thing, wheras it's pretty much standard operating procedure for scum. Town should also not claim at lynch -6, while it dosn't really affect some one way or the other; town should avoid making vauge "i'm a power role" claims that only help the scum find targets without giving the town any information, and town should never ever claim vanilla. Basically, every single step of your behavior there is something I consider much more likely to come from scum then from town.

Of course, the biggest thing here is the lying, then the weaseling out of the lie, then the changing your story to avoid being caught in a lie later. I know some people will look at that kind of stuff and assume you're "too scummy to be scum" or some crap like that, but I never let myself get WIFOM'd into ignoring massive brazen scum behavior.

Instead of attacking your attacker, though

Hehe. The irony is amusing here, considering the fact that you're the one "attacking the attacker" here.

why is it so unreasonable for you and chronopie to be scumbuddies?

Eh? It's not, especially. Of course, it's also not unreasonable for you to be buddies with chronopie, or with friend, or with most of the people in the game. There are some people I'm pretty sure you're not scum with, but at this point, anyone can propose pretty much any scum pair and it'll be "not unreasonable".

Of course, saying "A could be scum with B" is not actually evidence of anything, in a game when we have so little information about who could be scum with who at this point. That kind of argument is only at all useful when you either have already caught a scum, or it's endgame and there aren't that many plausible pairs left.

Does yosarian lash out at people when he needs to be defending himself as scum?

Um...you're the one who's lashing out when you should be defending yourself, furcolow. I never let being attacked stop me from scumhunting, if that's what you're asking. This is an especially confusing argument to me since I made the cases on both you and on Friend before I was attacked by either one of you.

Does he ignore any sort of defense as town?

I don't even know what this means. I pretty much always defend myself, irrespective of alignment, and I've been doing so this game as well.

[Andrius]

Guys, Chronopoie just had post #666. I now lean scum on him.
But seriously, Chrono, you should think for yourself sometimes. Your playstyle is to just vote whoever, and its not helpful at all. Leaning scum ATM...

The tr;dr response to xvart's post is this:

One final question: if you seriously thought you found scum with me and weren't simply throwing out random scum reads you thought you could later justify if questioned about it, why didn't you follow up on it? Why didn't you ask me any questions? Why didn't you make a bigger deal out of it?

Because dramonic continues to exist, and I'm *trying* to organize the mass of town players into something cohesive that can actually be used to lynch scum.

I'll post more thoroughly some other time when I don't have loads of HW to do. >_>

It's been working before. He's always scum.

Werewolf Wosborg Asylum, Harry Potter Mafia... pretty much. Lynch wagon is Go!

[Friend]

That tl;dr response was way too poor. That's not even what the purpose of his post really was.

Aim: Andrius

[ReaperCharlie]

MafiaScum UberTown Power Alliance....



UNITE!!!

[Furcolow]

yosarian you are such a liar
i was voting you on august 30th pretty much before you ever posted