NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[hiphop]

mod v/la until Tuesday night

Okay. -Mod.

[Robbnva]

@Robb - One look at your ISO should tell you why I suspect you

way to talk without actually saying anything.

I make a valid reason why I suspect wraith and than you fos me, sounds like a load of crap to me

[Robbnva]

I don't play like everyone else, I don't go THIS PERSON HAS A SLIGHT SUSPICION OF BEEN SCUM SO MY VOTE GO ON HIM."
When I vote, its because I am more then sure that the person I am voting for is mafia, or someone who is harmful for the townie.

going back over reading some things and this stood out at me, than I went and looked at some of bunny's other games, and she/he sure does vote alot in the Super Smash Brothers games, and the reasons given for those votes don't match with this statement. And reading some her other posts it seems like she is trying to buddy up to the town a little bit

[ConfidAnon]

I don't like his 228. It's pretty much fence-sitting against dana and Furcolow and tunneling against me. He makes me out as scum based almost entirely on word choice.

I can see how it could be interpretted as fence-sitting. Meh. I made you out as scum because the post was scummy . . . word choice was a part of it, but if you feel like you used the wrong word, you should clarify. What I stated about that post I still feel is true, and you've done nothing to change that opinion.

In CA's 389 he first points out that he doesn't think Furc is scum, yet then outlines Furc's scummy actions, notably the AtE and Furc's constant pressure on a claimed cop. Smells of setting up bandwagon justification. The rest of his post is dedicated to attacking me, and he attacks me based on "fence-sitting." I was committing to my reads at first based on recklessness and lack of reading, but doing the ISOs gave me a better idea of those people. He attacks me for not believing the claim. Until someone is confirmed there is no reason NOT to doubt the claim. Dana's play was terrible before and after the claim and it made me doubt it. It's one of the flimsier claims I've seen in my time here. Lastly, he attacks me based on my opinion of Furcolow's meta. Furcolow is naturally an extremely scummy player and almost always turns out to be VI. So why should I think he's scum if I'm pretty confident he's a VI?

Try reading 389 again. I never called the AtE and the insistance about the Cop claim scummy. I did say that the AtE is horrible, and by that I meant terrible play regardless of alignment. The misrepresentation is noted.

About the iso's - The only conclusions you drew on Furc, UA, and hiphop amounted to varying degrees of "I'm not sure either way." So the better ideas you gained were "neutral?" Information over Analysis here, pure and simple.

I'm not suspecting you for doubting the claim, specifically, but the way you kept saying in your posts that you were ready to jump on her if the need arises. Also, I attacked your opinion of Frank because of pure wifom and an inconsistent stance in regards to the way you treated him and danakillsu. Like I said, try reading that post again, because all of your defenses in this section of your post failed.

Also, I would like to pose a question to dana I don't has been asked or asnwered yet: Dana, what was your investigation result last night?

Hooray for reading the thread! She got an innocent result in DavidParker.

To me, CA's 434 is golden. To defend his insistence that I am scum, he goes back and reverses his opinions: AtE is nulltell and insistence is towntell, despite having attacked Furc for those things in 389. Yet, didn't he attack me in 389 for insistence on dana's scumminess despite the claim? Hmmm...

Didn't reverse any stance . . . that's what I've been saying all along. Way to misrepresent.

During Day 2 he has stated that my "blatant OMGUS" because I don't like CA's play is for terrible reasons and makes me scum. Let's again mention CA's initial wagon vote on dana for "other people stated my reasons" reasons.

No reasons = Terrible reasons. You didn't give any reasons then, and the reasons you've given now, for the most part, are not true. You have a few valid points, like what you mentioned with nhammen and my danakillsu vote, but the majority of this is trash.

And, in this chunk, you compare apples and oranges. You didn't even have any reasons to cite with your vote on me - whereas anyone reading the thread could see why I was suspicious of danakillsu. No point in repeating everything, as I already mentioned.

Time is scarce this morning, I'll get to the rest of the thread later.

[Wraith]

Whatever, guys. Guys, when I flip town, lynch CA first.

[danakillsu]

@ Wickedestjr
Since Wraith became a suspect, you have voted for three different people other than him, apparently fully believing they are scum, and have admitted that your townread on him revolves mostly around gut.

[Wraith]

Hey, how about you flip me and find that I'm town before you start lynching the only sane man in this town.

[danakillsu]

Are you asking me to investigate you, Wraith? Because I'm not sure I understand that post.

[Wraith]

I'm not asking you to investigate because you're all probably going to lynch. But if you by chance don't lynch me, then by all means, yes investigate me. I'm just saying that wicked is the only sane townie in the game right now and you shouldn't go after him until you find my alignment. Which is town.

[Robbnva]

I'm not asking you to investigate because you're all probably going to lynch. But if you by chance don't lynch me, then by all means, yes investigate me. I'm just saying that wicked is the only sane townie in the game right now and you shouldn't go after him until you find my alignment. Which is town.

I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say if you flip town, wicked is probably mafia. What better way to earn town cred than to support a townie and say he is not scum.

[Wraith]

How about I go out on a limb and say CA, Mysterio, and maybe Prozac are scum? You're using WIFOM - bad.

[Shanba]

Strange that Wickedest will vote almost anyone except Wraith.
He's definitely someone to look at as a scumbuddy if Wraith flips scum as expected.

Is it so odd for a player to have a town read? Just because you believe someone is scum doesn't mean they are, and moreover, just because you think someone is obviously scummy doesn't mean it's true.

Xite: Let me put it this way. Scum in that situation has nothing to gain from switching over to frank. Frank is the only viable wagon, and it he's almost certainly going to be lynched regardless of what you do. On the other hand, you have quite a lot to lose - for one, someone is likely to pick up on the reversal in your position and two you lose the kudos that you had been garnering for protecting a townie. It's far better to have Frank lynched without you being on the wagon if possible - and at that point in time it certainly was possible that Frank got lynched without wassisname being on the wagon.

On the other hand, you're a townie and you start protecting someone, but then people keep attacking him and attacking you for defending him. To what extent is paranoia going to take over? You know if you're wrong it's going to get you in a lot of trouble. That's what I feel happened; Wraith gave in to paranoia and selfdoubt caused by the pressure. This is why I asked him the question I did in my last post - he's still confused himself about what happened and that tells me that he was never comitted to the lynch in the first place.

And you haven't made a case against him xite: I even reread your posts just now to check. You make a lot of sarky comments, call him scum a lot, even say "X post has a lot of classic scumtells" quite early on. The only person I really feel has added anything of worth against Wraith is ConfidAnon (who on balance I don't think is scum).

Xite, you also need to work on your reading comprehension. I wasn't saying we were day 4. Please try reading that sentence again.

UA, who are your top suspects? Same question to hiphop when he gets back

[Bunnylover]

I don't play like everyone else, I don't go THIS PERSON HAS A SLIGHT SUSPICION OF BEEN SCUM SO MY VOTE GO ON HIM."
When I vote, its because I am more then sure that the person I am voting for is mafia, or someone who is harmful for the townie.

going back over reading some things and this stood out at me, than I went and looked at some of bunny's other games, and she/he sure does vote alot in the Super Smash Brothers games, and the reasons given for those votes don't match with this statement. And reading some her other posts it seems like she is trying to buddy up to the town a little bit

Bah. I have a strategy for that game and the reason why I acted how I did in Day 3. The other days their has been reason for my votes, day 1 lynched the person who was positive scum, day 2 Beloved Princess really had no choice.
I don't believe I have a meta if that is what your trying to go on to decide if I am townie or scum.
As for the buddying, I am trying to buddy with no one, although I do see some of my post which can be seen that way.

So I'm not truely understanding the case against Wraith. I believe we are voting for him for self voting and wanting to kill himself and that fact that he said Frank was townie yet in the end still voted for him saying nothing could be done to save him. So because he was certain that Frank was townie, which he was, we still need to lynch him? Wraith just doesn't come off scum to me, nor imo does his action speak out scum like I was expecting. It seems like people are trying to push Wraith wagon with a weak case.
Looking at the ISO that Wraith made, I don't like that Xite came to the defense of CA before CA could state something about it. The buddying is a little too obvious for me to call that this is scum buddying, but Wraith ISO on CA seems the most logical votes for today. He attacks a person for parroting, while he is parroting is the main thing that I can not overlook.

Vote: ConfidAnon

[danakillsu]

Is it so odd for a player to have a town read? Just because you believe someone is scum doesn't mean they are, and moreover, just because you think someone is obviously scummy doesn't mean it's true.

And your point is...?
If I think Wraith is obvscum, then I think anyone who ignores his scumminess and votes just about anyone else is also scummy. That is called consistency. If you don't agree, you don't agree, but this statement is pointless.

[Robbnva]

How about I go out on a limb and say CA, Mysterio, and maybe Prozac are scum? You're using WIFOM - bad.

And you used WIFOM with frank, your point?
Just cause it looks like someone is WIFOMing, doesn't mean anything really

[Flameaxe]

Votecount 2.5

Wraith [8] (Xite, ConfidAnon, danakillsu, Gorrad, Mysterio, Robbnva, Hiphop, Benmage)

Mysterio [2] (Flinter, Singersigner)
Bunnylover [1] (@.@)
Hiphop [1] (Prozac)
UltimaAvalon [1] (UltimaAvalon)
dana [1] (Reck)
Prozac [1] (Shanba)
Flinter [1] (Wickedestjr)
ConfidAnon [1] (Bunnylover)

Not Voting [4] (Kise, Orochi, Sebguer, Wraith)

With 21 alive it will take 11 for a lynch and 11 for a no lynch.

In other news, no bites for replacing Orochi and Sebguer as of right now. Gonna go bump the signup thread and my replacement thread post. Tell your friends to replace, tell your enemies too.

[Wraith]

To go out into the realm of wild speculation, consider this:

ConfidAnon is town. Nhammen was buddying CA. Xite is scum and is buddying up to CA.

It's a stretch and not my top theory, but it's a possibility.

[Xite91]

@Robb - One look at your ISO should tell you why I suspect you

way to talk without actually saying anything.

I make a valid reason why I suspect wraith and than you fos me, sounds like a load of crap to me

*sigh*
Specifically ISO #'s 1, 2, 4&6, 7, 10, 14, 15, 19 (i love that "frank has even been scummy" part), 24, 25 (wtf??), 28, 30, 34, just want to make a quick point on 37 - one game =/= meta EVER, 38 (seeing a pattern to his wagoning), 41, 45, remember my point on 37? and, 46.

There ya go.

I don't play like everyone else, I don't go THIS PERSON HAS A SLIGHT SUSPICION OF BEEN SCUM SO MY VOTE GO ON HIM."
When I vote, its because I am more then sure that the person I am voting for is mafia, or someone who is harmful for the townie.

going back over reading some things and this stood out at me, than I went and looked at some of bunny's other games, and she/he sure does vote alot in the Super Smash Brothers games, and the reasons given for those votes don't match with this statement. And reading some her other posts it seems like she is trying to buddy up to the town a little bit

Has bunny flipped? (didn't check the game) and what did he flip?

I'm not asking you to investigate because you're all probably going to lynch. But if you by chance don't lynch me, then by all means, yes investigate me. I'm just saying that wicked is the only sane townie in the game right now and

you shouldn't go after him until you find my alignment

. Which is town.

If Wraith flips scum, wicked is probtown. This is too obvious buddying for them to be scum partners.
bolded. Huh?

Xite: Let me put it this way. Scum in that situation has nothing to gain from switching over to frank. Frank is the only viable wagon, and it he's almost certainly going to be lynched regardless of what you do. On the other hand, you have quite a lot to lose - for one, someone is likely to pick up on the reversal in your position and two you lose the kudos that you had been garnering for protecting a townie. It's far better to have Frank lynched without you being on the wagon if possible - and at that point in time it certainly was possible that Frank got lynched without wassisname being on the wagon.

And you haven't made a case against him xite: I even reread your posts just now to check. You make a lot of sarky comments, call him scum a lot, even say "X post has a lot of classic scumtells" quite early on. The only person I really feel has added anything of worth against Wraith is ConfidAnon (who on balance I don't think is scum).

Xite, you also need to work on your reading comprehension. I wasn't saying we were day 4. Please try reading that sentence again.

UA, who are your top suspects? Same question to hiphop when he gets back

Let me put it this way, scum do not follow a "set of rules" therefore, they could be anywhere on or off that wagon. Hell, they could be on the other side of the earth. There's this thing called WIFOM, and it will point that out clearly. Scum have nothing to lose switching to frank either.

Oh, have I not? Oh, i guess all I've done is throw points at him the whole time huh? Just never put them all together in one post as a "case"
Well if it's better for you I will do a consolidation post when I have time (probably not till tonight or tomorrow)

Haha, I have to work on my reading comp? Funny because the way you wrote it, it could easily have been taken that way. But now reading it again, I understand what you meant.

To go out into the realm of wild speculation, consider this:

ConfidAnon is town. Nhammen was buddying CA. Xite is scum and is buddying up to CA.

It's a stretch and not my top theory, but it's a possibility.

Hey guys, if you listen to me and lynch CA and he flips town, lynch Xite too, because he has to be obvscum at that point. Wha?

[Gorrad]

Hey, how about you flip me and find that I'm town before you start lynching the only sane man in this town.

This and Xite's counterposts have completely nullified any town vibes I might have been getting from your ISOs. Those vibes mostly being 'Wow, Wraith's made two posts that weren't stupid and/or trying to get himself lynched.'

Shanba, you miss the point of Xite's latest posts. The case against Wraith has been made repeatedly by multiple people. Heck, I made one in my readthrough. Xite's posts have been adding to it- the, as you put it, snarky comments and calling him out as scum with scumtells? That's him countering any pro-town vibes people (see above) may have gotten from such an undeniably scummy character. I just woke up, so I'm not sure that makes as much sense on paper as it did in my head. Ask if I need to clarify.

Bunny, what was your alignment in the aforementioned mafia game?

[Wraith]

Because you should totally just lynch the guy who wants to be lynched. That's smart in any game. Whatever, I've made my cases, lynch me now so I don't have to waste anymore time here.

[Gorrad]

So you are admitting that you're saying to be lynched so that we won't lynch you? Awesome.

Confirm vote: Wraith

[Wraith]

This day is a scumteam's dream come true. They have an easy target to wagon and can refute anything I say by saying "Oh look at that flailing obvscum."

Hey town, look at me, I'm scum. Lynch me. Stop sitting on your pointy iron fences and vote me.

[Wraith]

Also, I'd like people to take my scumhunting seriously instead of saying "Oh his smart posts are instantly nullified because he's obvscum."

[Wraith]

In reference to that above post, town, pay some additional attention to anyone who votes me while dismissing my cases against CA and Mysterio.

[Flameaxe]

Activity check in progress. Stay tuned.

Edit: The following players have received a prod: Kise, UA, Reck.

If you wish for anyone else to receive a prod, let me know. I went by who hasn't posted in 48 hours to the nearest hour, and a few people were getting close. *hint, hint*

Back to replacement hunting I go.