Ladies Night -- Game Over

[DrippingGoofball]

question for everyone: DGB's cluelessness about the known set-up we're playing in - faked or realistic? i say fake.

Page 1 indeed. :redcheeks:

[DrippingGoofball]

Final Day 1 Vote Count

• Paws

  (8) (Sotty7 - UncertainKitten -

  Apokalyptika

  -

  Haylen

  -

  DrippingGoofball

  -

  camn

  -

  esuriospiritus - camn - Fenchurch

  )
  
  
  camn
  (1) (Snow_Bunny)
  
  
  Apokalyptika
  (1) (cepi -

  Fenchurch

  )
  
  
  Snow_Bunny
  (1) (chauchaudotcom)
  
  
  UncertainKitten
  (1) (Sucrose)
  
  
  Sucrose
  (1) (Hoopla)
  
  
  chauchaudotcom
  (0) (

  esuriospiritus

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (2) (Ojanen -

  Paws

  )

[DrippingGoofball]

Final Day 2 Vote Count

• camn

  (7) (

  Haylen

  - Ojanen - Hoopla - UncertainKitten - Snow_Bunny -

  Fenchurch

  -

  Apokalyptika

  )
  
  
  Haylen
  (2) (

  Apokalyptika

  - Sucrose -

  DrippingGoofball

  )
  
  
  Snow_Bunny
  (2) (Sotty7 - camn)
  
  
  Apokalyptika
  (1) (cepi -

  Snow_Bunny

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (1) (Snow White -

  Fenchurch

  )

[DrippingGoofball]

Final Day 2 Vote Count

• camn

  (7) (

  Haylen

  - Ojanen - Hoopla - UncertainKitten - Snow_Bunny -

  Fenchurch

  -

  Apokalyptika

  )
  
  
  Haylen
  (2) (

  Apokalyptika

  - Sucrose -

  DrippingGoofball

  )
  
  
  Snow_Bunny
  (2) (Sotty7 -

  camn

  )
  
  
  Apokalyptika
  (1) (cepi -

  Snow_Bunny

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (1) (Snow White -

  Fenchurch

  )

[Hoopla]

It's not "WIFOM."

It's been mentioned earlier that the scum has daytalk, so that the "you think I'm a mason" bit sounds very much forced. I like to jokingly tell my suspects to go back and "check their QTs" personally, so I think the implication of a QT is NEVER, EVER related to masons, but 100% scum-talk.

In light of this, Haylen's comment is hugely weird.

this seems like a strange comment if dgb really didn't really read the opening post of this thread. although it acknowledges she heard of daytalk from someone else previously mentioning - it's strange to just rigidly believe that declaration, rather than have a look at the first post to confirm the fact.

[Hoopla]

thanks for posting those vote counts dgb, are you going to do something with them, though?

[UncertainKitten]

Hoopla perhaps might be onto something. Interested to see how DGB handles this.

[Hoopla]

Also, RIP fenchurch.

[Ojanen]

Dead Haylen-town is unfortunate, but it makes things easier for me.
She was pretending to be a cop, to draw a nightkill I suppose. Or then there were a series of major coincidences that look like breadcrumbs.
The first thing that drew my attention was probably just because it was my name. At the end of her camn case.

Just as an add on, Ojanen is given me tingly feelings. I'm not sure whether this is a good or bad thing yet, but I'm going to keep my eyes peeled.

At first I thought that this was funny because it's really beyond contentless. Then I suddenly thought how much it reminded me of a breadcrumb SerialClergyman once dropped. I wondered whether she's a cop pre-crumbing to investigate me.
I look up the page a couple of posts.

S_B.
I.
Am.
Psychic.

*snigger*

To a comment that Snow white dropped about her.

So I look at her last content post at the end of D1. The last line says

Still got my eye on camn.

Then I look at what Haylen does D2. From her first post to the last she's attacking camn, spending all this time trying to build a case, saying that she will be pissed if hammered before she gets her work done.
I mean this just must have been intentional:

Witholding information from the town, this looks like to me. That's scummy because a town aligned player would want the town to know everything that they know (

unless they're a PR

)

.

Hayl's Scumlist.

She is keeping her town reads hidden.

camn
cepi
Snow_Bunny/DGB

No townreads, overarching scumread, a bunch of breadcumbs.
After the fact I realize there was something making me probably more biased in seeing what I thought I was seeing. I first learned the names of the mafia roles in the werewolf variant where the cop is called näkijä in my language, seer in English I guess. I associate seeing related stuff to cops overly strongly due to that probably, cop breadcrumbs were always about seeing in that environment.

My first thought was to believe Haylen was real, and to think omg camn is never going to get lynched.
The rest you know. I took a gamble. You can judge whether it was on reasonable assumptions or not; I thought the payoff

could

have been great and I wanted to absorb attention from the hypo-cop, who was getting wagoned right then. It didn't work out in any case. Make of it what you will.

I have a plane to catch. See you soon.

[DrippingGoofball]

One of Sotty and UKitten is scum.
5 Sotty7
5 UKitten

One of Ojanen, Hoopla, UKitten, SnowBunnys is scum.
2.5 Ojanen
2.5 Hoopla
2.5 UKitten
2.5 SnowBunny

Snowbunny likely bus'ed on Day 2 by Sotty
1 Sotty
1 SnowBUnny

TOTALS
7.5 Ukitten
6 Sotty
3.5 UKitten
3.5 SnowBunny
2.5 Hoopla

[DrippingGoofball]

She was pretending to be a cop

She was???

[DrippingGoofball]

WOW... Ojanen has a lot of imagination... I was just skimming Haylen as "fluff."

[UncertainKitten]

Well, Bunny is the scum in the second group ^-^.

I'd have to assume Sotty is the scum in the first. But for some reason I'm not feeling that. Much as I'm loathe to admit it...the Paws wagon might be all town. I'll have to look at Sotty at some point to be sure.

At any rate, Ojanen's revelation kinda makes sense, though I think I agree with DGB about ~*~imagination~*~

[DrippingGoofball]

Sotty would be my favorite lynch for today.

[UncertainKitten]

Snow_Bunny'd be better. Admittedly, if she gets shot instead, I'd wouldn't be unhappy.

[Snow_Bunny]

I'd go for either a Sotty or Hoopla lynch, actually.

[DrippingGoofball]

Upon re-consideration, there has got to be two scums on the camn wagon. Why? Because camn was a tasty morsel, and all the responsibility for the lynch lay at Ojanen's feet.

RECALCULATING

One of Sotty and UKitten is scum.
5 Sotty7
5 UKitten

One of Ojanen, Hoopla, UKitten, SnowBunny is scum.
5 Ojanen
5 Hoopla
5 UKitten
5 SnowBunny

Snowbunny likely bus'ed on Day 2 by Sotty
1 Sotty
1 SnowBUnny

TOTALS

10 Ukitten
6 Sotty
6 SnowBunny
5 Ojanen
5 Hoopla

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd go for either a Sotty or Hoopla lynch, actually.

Why Hoopla?

[Snow_Bunny]

Based on the previous wagons and votes, I'd say Hoopla. But Sotty is there too.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Hi, ladies! Since I'm replacing in, I think the best thing to do would be to open myself up to questions. Ask away, and I'll do my best to answer anything you throw at me.

[UncertainKitten]

Who are the other two people mentioned in your role PM?

[Hoopla]

i have loose theories revolving around the concept of to be able to catch scum, you need to put them in uncomfortable positions. anyone who has played more than a handful of games here knows this is familiar with the culture and the possible things that will incriminate them. creative or unorthodox plays by townies that can't be predicted by scum is what traps them, and milks information from a game - and although, there is a low ceiling on how creative you can get without being suspected or your play backfiring, or resulting in nothing, ojanen's play at it's core was a daring gamble that's benefits outweighed it's cost.

any scum can avoid lurking, omgus, overdefensiveness or whatever wikitell is in vogue - particularly amongst the caliber of this playerlist. with a lack of role information influencing the game, i deemed her aggressive call for a speedwagon a brilliant play to unnerve scum. even if it was on a townie, it would certainly make scum waver, contemplating their stance on the issue. i suspected ojanen might have similar philosophies about scumhunting to me in some ways, which is largely why i supported her cause.

i'm too unstable right now to consider much beyond the cosmetic, but looking at camn's wagon and all those green names on the wagon - it's really narrowed down to UK/SB on that wagon. i sincerely doubt that camn wagon could have been pushed without ANY scum on it, but the beauty is we've got so many names to cross off (or half cross off) there, it gives us good odds.

i really don't find ojanen suspicious at all. i see a lot of town motivation in her play yesterday - we just finish the scummies invitational together and absolutely dominated the scum there. i don't see her as scum this game. sorry for rambling everyone.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Who are the other two people mentioned in your role PM?

There's nobody mentioned there, sadly.

[UncertainKitten]

Sadly? So you

want

to be scum, huh >=[?

This is a serious affair.

/me nods sagely.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Sadly? So you

want

to be scum, huh >=[?

This is a serious affair.

/me nods sagely.

I do confess that I tend to find games more interesting when scum. I'm prone to a certain apathy when playing VT in slow games, particularly when I don't have especially strong reads on people.