Open 249: Mayo Clinic **Game Over!**

[Katsuki]

Vote: Shotty

GOGO POLICY

[Katsuki]

I've played with half the players here I think.

[Katsuki]

1 post in almost a day. Talk about slow.

Time to get things going, bandwagoning time!

unvote, vote gandalf

When all else fails, bandwagon

[Katsuki]

Oh I just chose gandalf over nopoint on a whim. Either of those would be fine for me personally.

I was actually looking for the next closest to shotty.

[Katsuki]

Do you want to tell me why my vote should dictate who you vote for?

[Katsuki]

That's because you're an SK?

I HATE ME TOO BECAUSE IM NOT AN SK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, so are you scum then?

[Katsuki]

Then perhaps you can stop sitting on the sidelines and actually participate?

[Katsuki]

Are you actually reading the thread or do you really have no idea what's going on?...

[Katsuki]

Gandalf =.=, acting like me in the Jester game apparently doesn't work ==

rofl

shotty not being lynched first in a jester game is also amazing. I think you're taking shotty's place.

@Muthaa: It's not really random shit... We are getting out of RVS ya know.

[Katsuki]

= =

Never know that L stood for jester.

[Katsuki]

@Scott: Oh are you protecting muthaa's lack of wanting to place a vote? Jesse at least explained why they didn't, muthaa has yet to.

[Katsuki]

Actually, it seems to be half random shit and half getting out of RVS. And I'm actually voting you.

But that was a RVS vote, unless you are saying that is your serious vote, in which I hope you at least provide reasoning for it instead of "because you're the only one I know" (which in itself is a rather mean reason).

[Katsuki]

What you talking about?

[Katsuki]

Doesn't ring a bell.

[Katsuki]

I can live with that explanation.

However, if we all do that then we'll never 'get' to the "serious votes"...

[Katsuki]

@Muthaa: Perhaps, but unbearably slowly.

@Anti: Erm, yeah, jesse did. What smashbro said.

[Katsuki]

FTR, gandalf did not openly claim scum. ISO him if you will.

Those posting "he can not be scum because he claimed scum" arguments need to re-evaluate.

[Katsuki]

Hardly. Shall we quote your post?

That's because you're an SK?

I HATE ME TOO BECAUSE IM NOT AN SK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, so are you scum then?

Yes. SRS FAICE IS SRS!!!!!!!!!!

You seem awfully desperate to use this as a reason as to why you CAN NOT be scum... I am happy with my vote.

[Katsuki]

If you wern't reading, the bandwagon was to get the game going. And whaddya know, it did.

You still seemed like you were holding back though. And bandwagons generate discussion. So if you look at this way, it seemed like you were trying to delay the discussion. This is my view on the matter.

[Katsuki]

Jesse, since you do not seem to feel like placing a vote, care to tell us who you think is the most scummy thus far?

[Katsuki]

After looking at some things...

Vote: Nopoint

Mostly fluff posts, and easy voting Jesse. As someone who does not vote, Jesse seems like a too easy target.

[Katsuki]

Oh? Copying me now are we?

Well you gotta have a reason to bandwagon in the first place hmm?

[Katsuki]

If I had to pick out players who I think are most likely to be scum I'd say you, Phaen. Town players don't normally seek out reasons for players to be scum. That's something scum do because they can't actually pick out other players to be scum, because they're the scum.

lolwat?

UNVOTE: Katsuki
VOTE: JesseSheffield

But Katsuki is still scum.

wtf? Care to say how I am scum?

[Katsuki]

Can someone summerize why there is a Jesse wagon?

[Katsuki]

This is getting silly. Jesse, will it absolutely kill you to place a vote on your top suspect at this moment?

I am inclined to agree with warrior's analysis, sans antihero. He is merely making noise, and has been all game imo. Fluff posts ftw hmm?

The Jesse wagon itself looks bad though. The back-end of it, consisting antihero and gandalf (throw in nopoint if you want, but he is better than the last two), looks even worse. I will bet that at least one of those two are scum. Wagoning someone over their playstyle is, well, bad, and makes for a pretty easy opportunistic vote too.

[Katsuki]

Attn: Jesse RE: What I said about you voting.

[Katsuki]

No, it is because the day is dissolving into an argument over playstyle philosophies, namely yours.

Phaen made a good point about you just now.

[Katsuki]

ISO nopoint.

[Katsuki]

Unvote, Vote: Muthaa

I can go with this one.

Antihero is next after muthaa.

[Katsuki]

Oh yea I forgot I have some questions, too.

@Katsuki

• I know it's gotta be really annoying to be asked the same question over and over again, but I don't understand the nopoint wagon either. I even ISO'd him and I can't really get a solid read on him. Could you at least shed some light on what made you want to join that wagon?
  
• What do you mean by "Antihero is next after muthaa" ? Do you expect the day to end very soon? Would this be a good thing?

nopoint seems to be just skating past this game and looking for bandwagons to join. Almost entirely fluff posts, and says that his iso is "painfully town"? Essentially, he is active lurking.
Antihero is prob scum. By that statement, I mean that if muthaa is able to convince us that he is town, then antihero is next. Or if muthaa is lynched, then antihero tomorrow (barring revealing wagon flip signs or stuff like that/death)

Also, I didn't feel like answering anti since he's done virtually nothing all game except call me scum. When I asked him to explain, his answer was "no". Maybe it will seem like OMGUS to you guys, but does anti give town vibes to

anyone

???

[Katsuki]

nopoint seems to be just skating past this game and looking for bandwagons to join. Almost entirely fluff posts, and says that his iso is "painfully town"? Essentially, he is active lurking.

I'm glad you cleared up the no point wagon. I also think that Gandalf has been playing in a similar style they way he switched his vote to Jesse.
That's why Phaen, some people including myself were feeling suspicious.

I agree with gandalf. Though, it feels like gandalf does that in every game tbh. Policy vig would not be bad imo.

[Katsuki]

They play similarly from what I've noticed. I've more experience with gandalf though (nopoint played with for one day).

You could add shotty into that list if you want. Its hard to distinguish between the 3 of them.

[Katsuki]

That post of yours proves that you haven't bothered to read the thread. At. All.

[Katsuki]

Oh, and I will try and respond to that in the next few days. Moving.

[Katsuki]

You proved that you only bothered to iso me without reading the posts in context with the game. Hence, not even bothering to read.

I suppose, it is a form of misrep? Not entirely sure if that applies, but probably does.

[Katsuki]

I disagree. Its been out of RVS for a long while now.

Funny how you would try and use RVS as a defence for your actions.

[Katsuki]

Oh but you did. Your lines of defence were "Your case sucks", "OMGUS" and "Oh I thought it still RVS".

I've never seen town even mention RVS as a defence before at

page 8

, considering we left RVS quite a lot of pages ago.

[Katsuki]

Quickly popping in.

@Jesse: I always line lynches. Get used to it, its how I play.

[Katsuki]

Can you please quit stalling the game by bringing up arguments that occured ages ago? Thanks.

@Jesse: I didn't see the second part of your post, but for antihero, it is a combination of gut and stuff like the above that makes me think he is scum. He has clearly shown a blatant laziness in terms of reading.

Only thing I have to add is that warrior is obvtown and you guys would be best following him. Proxy-vote to warrior until I am able to get consistent access/time to analyze.

[Katsuki]

@Katsuki: Why is warrior obv-town? And why are you telling people to follow warrior?

His analysis. Plus unlike people like you, he is actually doing stuff.

@Jesse: I always line lynches. Get used to it, its how I play.

Well don't expect me to run along with that.

Accept like how we do for your disdain for voting. I never said anything about you guys having to run with it.

[Katsuki]

Also there were quite a few things in hack's post that confused me but I don't have the time to ask now.

Next time when i can get access.

[Katsuki]

Hm. I like the Kat wagon, but I'm not sure how close he is to lynch. Also, if me and shotty were buddies, why would I listen to him? He's SHOTTY, for Chrissake.

GANDALF IS PLAYING DUMB AND PURPOSEFULLY NOT READING.

Lemme tell you this. THERE IS NO KAT WAGON. If you want though, I am at L5.

Gandalf giving scum-vibes.

[Katsuki]

I say wagon to mean "a viable lynch target". And sorry, I just assumed that the way you were acting, there must be a huge wagon. And I was on my Wii, so it would have taken me like, five full minutes to find a votecount.

META TIME: LAST TIME GANDALF POSTED SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO WHY HE DIDN'T READ, HE WAS SCUM.

@nopoint: You claiming to have done more than I have this day is simply laughable. Nice OMGUS vote.

[Katsuki]

Katsuki's bemoaning of the Jesse wagon doesn't feel right. He had been voting Jesse previously and now he's saying that the wagon looks bad.

Eh? When have I ever voted Jesse?

[Katsuki]

~Deleted for Katsuki who was special last night ~ -Cayke

[Katsuki]

Erm... Can someone delete that? I posted it in the wrong thread... = =

[Katsuki]

Open 247

[Katsuki]

Was definately a factor.

[Katsuki]

and what real life thing.

[Katsuki]

You have more than 1 factors...

[Katsuki]

^I think massclaim would only depend on flips and what occurs at night.

[Katsuki]

#$%^

SO GUYS, WE ARE HITTING THE DEADLINE. LYNCH, NAO.

MUTHAS, GET IN HERE.

[Katsuki]

Yeah, a post where you tunneled my iso and didn't bother to take anything in context like I said before.

[Katsuki]

UNVOTE? UP AGAINST DEADLINE?

As usual, I ask, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING.

I also love how much activity we suddenly get when I bring up deadline... = =
You guys really need to post more during other times too...

[Katsuki]

Well that'd be something of a task to do right before a deadline. I'd be all for it though. (after how shotty's played recently in games of mine).

Trust me, you guys will be glad to be without shotty.

[Katsuki]

Or you can put him at L1, and let whoever comes on next hammer.

Don't be difficult. You and shotty's reluctance to vote AT DEADLINE is not making me happy.

[Katsuki]

Scott, you can also stop sitting there while making noise and doing nothing.

[Katsuki]

Actually, I take back my statement. Scott's statement wasn't entirely noise.

[Katsuki]

hint hint scum wanting no lynch?

Or just standard shotty play.

[Katsuki]

Oh?

Why would he have made a big deal about it? That excuse he gave for unvoting seemed as much an excuse to slip off and unvote as any. Muthaa not coming in is bad though.

[Katsuki]

Well, we have approx. 10hrs until deadline.

[Katsuki]

Something tells me I've been up too late. I never noticed that you voted shotty instead of muthaa with your last post...

[Katsuki]

LOL that was a good night, the VI trio is gone (jk guys).

That aside, we are in a good position. SK gone as well as main active lurkers. I will look over everything tonight if I have time, and hopefully get some analysis data up.

P-EDIT: HOLD THE MASSCLAIM UNTIL I GET HERE. I WANT TO GET MY ANALYSIS OFF BEFORE ANY CLAIMING OCCURS.

[Katsuki]

Reasons for me first. I do not mind claiming, but I am not claiming just because you say "you first". Also, I'm in class so analysis is out of the question (posts will be colorful ).

Hacker's statement bothers me. Would you like to provide any reasoning as to why you are distraught over the lack of doc protection on questionable players at best?
If anything, those 3 dying N1 was a good thing, as it removes a ton of distractions for today's lynch. Considering that 2 of those were vig shots, the lack of doc protection was a GOOD thing.

Hacker: Your scum suspects please.

[Katsuki]

Revealing doc targets last night is useless? Unless you're talking about something else...

[Katsuki]

What does last night have to do with mislynch?

If you are talking about a system of protection...

Lets put it this way.
We have 2 vig'es left, and 3 real docs. Now, each vig will need their own protection... Oh wait, I spot a problem.

Scott can explain it later anyways. Multi-tasking leds to easy misunderstanding, so I will not say anything.

Regardless, everything can wait until my analysis. We can then decide after that if we wish to massclaim.

[Katsuki]

Ok, I might NOT be doing the analysis... mod didn't list non-voters I don't think.

I must say scott did a good job of doing nothing the entirety of D1 in terms of voting...

[Katsuki]

Erg, I just got back... and am VERY tired...

It is too late for analysis. Just move on without my analysis I guess.

[Katsuki]

So, um, are we just gonna sit here until deadline again?...

[Katsuki]

DUDE
YOU'RE DEAD
STOP POSTING.

[Katsuki]

Order does not matter imo.

Will wait to see what warrior likes though.

[Katsuki]

Doc here

@Smashbro: I scratched the analysis since it was too much work for me when mod didn't list non-voters. (and I don't have the time to piece those together without)

[Katsuki]

We don't need vigs both targetting the same person imo. If one of the targets doesn't die, then we lynch them, simple as.

This would allow us to find scum faster.

[Katsuki]

In class, will probably not have time to post until tonight.

Agreed with what hacker said about activity, and apologies on my part, been very busy as of late.

[Katsuki]

Erg.

I will see if I have the energy for analysis tonight. I have another I must get to first though.

My top suspects are as follows
Hacker - For D2 comments. I think I explained some of it already. He is my top candidate.
Scott - Accuses me of doing nothing when his own iso is essentially empty. Seems like coasting scum imo.
Antihero: Useless player. Knows nothing but misrep.

Phaen is prob town imo. Need to look at her though.
Jesse is most likely town as well.

I REALLY THINK, THOUGH, THAT WHAT OUR VIG'S THINK ARE MOST IMPORTANT. CONFIRMED THEY ARE, NONE OF THE REST OF US ARE.

[Katsuki]

smashbro really needs to pay more attention to this game...

Other comments sometime this weekend.

[Katsuki]

I disagree that getting the opinions from the vigilantes is important.

Ultimately they will likely make the final decision on who to lynch, but if they totally lead the discussion, it will be harder for them to get good reads on us doctors. The vigs should be probing, but most of the content should be coming from the claimed doctors.

This post is quite the gem.
Lets have the docs, half of which are scum, lead the scumhunting.


I would be all for a hacker lynch at this point.

I would love to hear all of you guys' views on hacker.

[Katsuki]

EBWOP:

Vote: Hacker

[Katsuki]

*point at sig*

I would prefer hacker over scott, but if warrior is vig'ing hacker, then I will vote scott if needed.

[Katsuki]

You know.

Scott is starting to seem more town than phaen right now.
Phaen activity thus far in D2 is... slightly like scott in D1... This bothers me, as it seems like that phaen may be trying to avoid saying anything incriminating against herself...

[Katsuki]

I wonder why I am not voting for either of them?

Maybe it is because I like Hackerscum lynch better.

[Katsuki]

@Scott: Why phaen over hacker?

[Katsuki]

You happened.

Antihero has been :goodposting: today, hence why my attention has been focused elsewhere, like on hackerscum for example. I have yet to find anything scummy in antihero posts today, though I too am rather curious as to why he still finds me scummy.

[Katsuki]

Isn't doing much to push for it? You shitting? Just go LOOK at the shit he's posted, and tell me that its not scum logic. ESPECIALLY the post of "OH HAI LETS HAVE THE DOCS CONSISTING OF 50% SCUM DO THE SCUMHUNTING SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE AS MUCH INFLUENCE OVER THE LYNCH AS POSSIBLE".

Read my iso. hacker's opening post D2 plus that is more than enough in my eyes that he is scum.

[Katsuki]

Simple.

Because it is important that we LYNCH scum first.

Our vig's NK actions are less relevant if we can lynch scum, because if we do, we are left with 5/2. Then, as we have a 2/3/2 format left going into the night, I do not see how we can lose, especially if we have the vig's stack their shots (which SHOULD be done if we lynch scum). That way, at worst, we go into D3 with a 2/1/2 format, and by that point, it should hopefully be a easy town win, what with 2 scum and just 1 doc left.

This is why I find your suggestion insanely scummy, as proposing having doc's lead the scumhunting today increases the chances of mislynching, which is incredibly beneficial for scum.

We SHOULD be focusing on LYNCHING scum first, and THEN worrying about the NK.

Obviously that will come when we have come to an intent to lynch (the discussion of NKs). If someone does not get killed, its not hard to conclude that they were scum. Or just have vig's agree to doubleshot. Your continued emphasis on vigs not scumhunting due to NKs is imo, quite funny.

[Katsuki]

How does increasing the chances of us lynching scum today not make sense?

It makes NO SENSE to me to let half of the docs aka scum have as much influence as possible in dictating the lynch today, hence why I say that having the 2 confirmed townies lead.

Essentially, think of it this way as to why a scum double voter would be strong. (answer: They get more say over lynches). Same principal here (removing vig voice = scum voteblocker)

[Katsuki]

I would rather focus on going into the night with 2 scum remaining. I fail to see how this is short-sighted, as this is a very important first step.

The vig's don't have any better idea than the 3 town docs, but the 3 scum-docs know who is/isn't. Hence, you are increasing their voice in a 3/3 format vs a 3/5 format.

Re: Scum protecting vs Vig kill

This is why I suggested potentially double-shooting.

[Katsuki]

Ah.

Regarding full case, that is not my play-style. I don't think I have yet to do that in any of the games I have played up to this point.

I will not have time to do one before next week, if it is what you guys really want. For now, I would direct you guys to my iso regarding hacker posts.

P-Edit: I realize that scum have voice no matter what. What I am saying is doing our best to reduce that voice, and their impact. Once again, I direct you to my voteblocker/doublevoter example.

[Katsuki]

I am quite content with my vote on you hacker, thanks.

I will respond to any other stuff that may need responding when I have the time.

[Katsuki]

A no-lynch will not occur.

I will vote phaen if I have to. I prefer phaen over scott, given what phaen has done thus far today (aka, nothing). I can see town-motivation in scott's posts, as opposed to phaen lurking.

Semi-drunk, no post tonight.

[Katsuki]

When is deadline?

[Katsuki]

Oh nvm, found it.

[Katsuki]

Waiting on esurio, would love to hear what he has to say.

Hacker is still spewing scum logic. If there were ever anything called "scum motivation", it'd be hacker's posts.

It also erks me that hacker keeps trying to call his wagon a "dead wagon that will go nowhere", since I severely disagree with that, especially with the extension we got.

[Katsuki]

Back up with fact? I already posted about the stack/no-stack situation thanks.

and what is it that you want me to answer in there? I do not get what you want.

[Katsuki]

Oh HELL NO DON'T YOU MISREP ME, HACKER.

IN CLASS, WILL DIG UP THE POSTS I NEED WHEN I CAN. I HAD GIANT CHUNKS OF THEORY EXPLAINING WHY WE SEPERATE IF WE LYNCH SCUM, STACK IF WE MISLYNCH.
SAME WITH THAT LITTLE THING YOU WANT FROM ME.

[Katsuki]

It is misrep, because you are trying to associate the stuff you've said to mine, and present it as if we're saying the same thing.

WHICH IS TOTAL BULLSHIT.

Changed my mind? I already posted what I thought about that thanks. You can stop with your games, hacker. Read what I said, I will go dig it up when I am done with classes.

On that thought, I really can't see how twisting words and truths is town in any way. That is what scum do, and this is what hacker has been doing since the fucking start of this day.

[Katsuki]

HACKER, YOU ARE A LIAR, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

ME GETTING CAUGHT IN

YOUR

LIE IS DUE TO YOUR MISREP. I COULD CATCH YOU IN LIES IF ALL I DID WAS TWIST YOUR POSTS AND WORDS.

Simple.

Because it is important that we LYNCH scum first.

Our vig's NK actions are less relevant if we can lynch scum, because if we do, we are left with 5/2. Then, as we have a 2/3/2 format left going into the night, I do not see how we can lose, especially if we have the vig's stack their shots (which SHOULD be done if we lynch scum). That way, at worst, we go into D3 with a 2/1/2 format, and by that point, it should hopefully be a easy town win, what with 2 scum and just 1 doc left.

This is why I find your suggestion insanely scummy, as proposing having doc's lead the scumhunting today increases the chances of mislynching, which is incredibly beneficial for scum.

We SHOULD be focusing on LYNCHING scum first, and THEN worrying about the NK.

Obviously that will come when we have come to an intent to lynch (the discussion of NKs). If someone does not get killed, its not hard to conclude that they were scum. Or just have vig's agree to doubleshot. Your continued emphasis on vigs not scumhunting due to NKs is imo, quite funny.

I would rather focus on going into the night with 2 scum remaining. I fail to see how this is short-sighted, as this is a very important first step.

The vig's don't have any better idea than the 3 town docs, but the 3 scum-docs know who is/isn't. Hence, you are increasing their voice in a 3/3 format vs a 3/5 format.

Re: Scum protecting vs Vig kill

This is why I suggested potentially double-shooting.

[Katsuki]

ARE YOU FUCKING PURPOSEFULLY TRYING TO BE ILLITERATE, OR ARE YOU JUST NORMALLY THIS MUCH OF A WISEASS?

NO SHIT YOU ARE MISREPPING, YOU DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING QUOTE THE STUFF WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT STACKING VIG SHOTS, USED SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY THAT "OH HAI KAT YOU DIDN'T SAY STACK VIG SHOT, MY THOUGHTS ARE SAME AS YOURS"

STRAIGHT FUCKING BULLSHIT

READ MY FUCKING POST WHERE I QUOTED THE STUFF, I AM POINTING OUT YOUR DAMN FUCKING LIES. IT WAS ALREADY A RESPONSE TO AN EARLIER SCUM-LOGIC POST OF YOURS.


SOMEONE DEAL WITH THIS ASSCLOWN. I HAVE LITTLE DOUBTS THAT HE IS BEING ILLITERATE ON PURPOSE.

[Katsuki]

sig

Hurts my eyes to read text at the moment.

I'd like to know what scott thinks of hacker now. If I am not mistaken, he was quite high on hacker-scum early in the day.

[Katsuki]

So, scott has disappeared. How convenient.

[Katsuki]

No.

Scott expressed quite a lot of thoughts of you being scum first half of D2, but now that your wagon is going, he's ignored you and tried to push other wagons in response. That, coupled that he is now pulling what he did in D1, is suspect.

[Katsuki]

No objections.

My only problem here is, WHERE THE FUCK IS SCOTT? His voting seems to resemble D1 as well.

Note: I probably won't be on again before deadline. I may be on a bit later, but everything needs to be worked out asap. If vig's have anything left they'd better do so quickly. (If I recall properly, if we lynch scum, then vig's still need to agree on who they're stackdoubleshooting, as they have yet to do so).

[Katsuki]

Or scum could very easily not all be on wagon... Cough.

I still would love if you answered my question as to your thoughts on hacker, scott. Though I doubt you will oblige me before deadline rolls around...

[Katsuki]

It's a standard mafia wincon though.

GG all.

Nice shooting by warrior, we didn't expect a shot at jesse

[Katsuki]

Oh and hacker I hope you wern't offended by my raging or anything.

...

= =

[Katsuki]

Oh no, I was legitly raging. You are being obnoxiously VI'ish, and twisting my stuff.

[Katsuki]

It doesn't matter if you're confirm town or not. town cannot continue to play if there is not a majority of town players left.

Well that's not exactly true. Town doesn't have a majority in 3 town 3 mafia 1sk, but the game should continue.

I forgot that we had that situation the last time this game ran.

That's different though, since no faction has yet to achieve their wincon.

[Katsuki]

Oh no, I was legitly raging. You are being obnoxiously VI'ish, and twisting my stuff.

I disagree, Kat. I thought Hacker's points were really legit, and I was pretty surprised we managed to mislynch him.

What. Am I the only one who saw hacker as obvscum? (I would've pushed for his lynch even if I were town haha)

[Katsuki]

Haiz, Katsuki-scum again. The moment I died, I realized Antihero was scum

Oh hai there.

I shot you.

<3