Civilization Mafia - Town Wins!

[armlx]

W00T! BabyJ!!!!

[Thok]

I'm almost tempted to vote BJ for the novelty factor. Almost. But I realize it's not helpful.

I'm going to wait until we get replacements (which should hopefully be fairly quickly) for bamboomancer and roland (and see how they act) until I place a vote.

I'm also trying to decide if it is in town's interest for me to claim-I probably have the most information about the set-up right now of any player in the game, but I don't want to reveal information to scum.

I'll let EmpTyger decide if he has any other concerns about me (hopefully after he gets a good night's sleep) before answering his quesitons.

[SinisterOverlord]

Huh. Apparently, he isn't after all... Never mind. Still looking for 3 replacements, then.

[Puzzle]

You know, Mr Flay, for someone who pays attention to details from the mod, the following sounds very ignorant to me :

Unvote: Puzzle

claim seems to be uncontested by the majority, and night investigations can take care of it anyway. Strange game, in which claims have almost no downside...
I still think lynching is a good idea today, but will need to reread a bit to get a better sense of how the landscape has changed.

You paid very good notice to what the mod made public and used it as a (fair) basis to attack me but you here seem to ignore details about my claim that clear me :
- you do not understand why people drop my wagon.
- you still call for inspection on me.
Your apparent non-knowledge of what makes my claim believable earns you a

big FOS Mr Flay

. Vote stays on Thok though.

I admit I went back and looked at your claim, but I don't see what you're getting at. So a couple of people have cleared you based on the wording of your claim - does that mean everyone's PMs are worded the same? I doubt it... wouldn't that make the game even more breakable than a Mass Claim?

You doubt it ? Shouldn't you know it's not the case if yours is different ?

And, I suspect *everyone*, until they're proven to me. If I still want to investigate you, I think that's my right, don't you think? I'm not saying I'm going to, but you seem to consider your claim a done deal. We haven't heard from many players yet (which is a totally different problem). I count these who haven't responded to it:

• Bamboomancer
  
• dybeck
  
• d_rouge
  
• Iammars (functionally, anyway)
  
• Mastermind of Sin
  
• rolandofthewhite
  
• Swinkee

From that list, the highest on my scum radar are MoS and Bamboomancer, but I've already been around the block with MoS.

Vote: Bamboomancer

; he's already set up the idea that he'll be no good at investigation.

There is a difference between keeping suspicions and wanting to orientate investigations.

[VisMaior]

im beginning to think that a mass-claim could prove fruitful here. We dont have to fear outing special roles as even if they exist, we are pretty powerful on ourself. Any toughts on this?

[Puzzle]

im beginning to think that a mass-claim could prove fruitful here. We dont have to fear outing special roles as even if they exist, we are pretty powerful on ourself. Any toughts on this?

Yes, I got wagonned for saying this earlier.

[Thok]

im beginning to think that a mass-claim could prove fruitful here. We dont have to fear outing special roles as even if they exist, we are pretty powerful on ourself. Any toughts on this?

Almost all info that would be gotten out of a mass claim would be gotten from me claiming. At the very least, I want to be the first person to go in a mass claim.

[Mr. Flay]

You know, Mr Flay, for someone who pays attention to details from the mod, the following sounds very ignorant to me :

Unvote: Puzzle

claim seems to be uncontested by the majority, and night investigations can take care of it anyway. Strange game, in which claims have almost no downside...
I still think lynching is a good idea today, but will need to reread a bit to get a better sense of how the landscape has changed.

You paid very good notice to what the mod made public and used it as a (fair) basis to attack me but you here seem to ignore details about my claim that clear me :
- you do not understand why people drop my wagon.
- you still call for inspection on me.
Your apparent non-knowledge of what makes my claim believable earns you a

big FOS Mr Flay

. Vote stays on Thok though.

I admit I went back and looked at your claim, but I don't see what you're getting at. So a couple of people have cleared you based on the wording of your claim - does that mean everyone's PMs are worded the same? I doubt it... wouldn't that make the game even more breakable than a Mass Claim?

You doubt it ? Shouldn't you know it's not the case if yours is different ?

Good lord, how dense are you?

I don't know what your PM says

, or anyone else's, so how can I know whether or not they're worded differently? Unless you're claiming mason with another civ, or scum outright! Do you want to compare PMs? You quote first...

I think you're fishing for anything you can use, and I don't like it, personally. You've been trying to run this day ever since we started, despite the fact that your

vaunted

numbers have been wrong on numerous occasions. I wasn't trying to "direct" investigations on anyone; I've already said I think we're better off not revealing who our targets are for tonight. Any other inanities you'd like to utter, Puzzle?

Almost all info that would be gotten out of a mass claim would be gotten from me claiming. At the very least, I want to be the first person to go in a mass claim.

Err, what? You have the names of all 20 civs in your PM?

Either I've completely lost track of what's being "claimed" in this Day, or there's something fishy going on. Being as it's Page 16 or whatever, I'd not be surprised either way (short days benefit scum, but overlong days can obscure the truth, too).

[Puzzle]

You know, Mr Flay, for someone who pays attention to details from the mod, the following sounds very ignorant to me :

Unvote: Puzzle

claim seems to be uncontested by the majority, and night investigations can take care of it anyway. Strange game, in which claims have almost no downside...
I still think lynching is a good idea today, but will need to reread a bit to get a better sense of how the landscape has changed.

You paid very good notice to what the mod made public and used it as a (fair) basis to attack me but you here seem to ignore details about my claim that clear me :
- you do not understand why people drop my wagon.
- you still call for inspection on me.
Your apparent non-knowledge of what makes my claim believable earns you a

big FOS Mr Flay

. Vote stays on Thok though.

I admit I went back and looked at your claim, but I don't see what you're getting at. So a couple of people have cleared you based on the wording of your claim - does that mean everyone's PMs are worded the same? I doubt it... wouldn't that make the game even more breakable than a Mass Claim?

You doubt it ? Shouldn't you know it's not the case if yours is different ?

Good lord, how dense are you?

I don't know what your PM says

, or anyone else's, so how can I know whether or not they're worded differently? Unless you're claiming mason with another civ, or scum outright! Do you want to compare PMs? You quote first...

Alternatively, you could have read my claim...

I think you're fishing for anything you can use, and I don't like it, personally. You've been trying to run this day ever since we started, despite the fact that your

vaunted

numbers have been wrong on numerous occasions. I wasn't trying to "direct" investigations on anyone; I've already said I think we're better off not revealing who our targets are for tonight. Any other inanities you'd like to utter, Puzzle?

Hum, yes : how about trying to lynch someone who wasn't on my wagon, if I appear to be townie due to details in my claim. Big enough inanity ?

Almost all info that would be gotten out of a mass claim would be gotten from me claiming. At the very least, I want to be the first person to go in a mass claim.

Err, what? You have the names of all 20 civs in your PM?

Either I've completely lost track of what's being "claimed" in this Day, or there's something fishy going on. Being as it's Page 16 or whatever, I'd not be surprised either way (short days benefit scum, but overlong days can obscure the truth, too).

I would agree on Thok name-claiming next, to begin with.

[HezLucky]

Mass claim won't get us anywhere UNLESS only vanilla civs are being used. There are 16 vanilla civilizations. There are 16 MORE C3C/PTW civilizations.

If so, the scum will be outed quite quickly. If not, it's a wasted lynch on a non-vanilla civ.

[Astronaut]

Almost all info that would be gotten out of a mass claim would be gotten from me claiming.

You're saying you're a pro-town expantion pack civ, right?

Even if this is so, I'm not 100% opposed to a mass claim. This would be useless if scum are given safe claims from mod, but there's also the possibility that we've got unused civs, and scum would have to guess which ones those are. If this is the case, it'd be harder for them to make a correct guess now when we're still all alive. Then again, there's the point of waiting till we've found someone scummy and make them go first. I'll leave the math to someone else...

[Thok]

Almost all info that would be gotten out of a mass claim would be gotten from me claiming.

You're saying you're a pro-town expantion pack civ, right?

Since somebody has come out and said this, I'll name claim since there's no use protecting the info anymore.

I am Hannibal, of Carthage (to be precise, the Carthaginians) from the PTW expansion. My unique unit is the Numidian Mercenary-it's stats are consistent with what Puzzle suggested for his unique unit, in the sense that I can visual a reasonable algorithm to guess the stats of a unique unit from his data, mine, and the current level of tech.

I'll claim more if necessary (or desired), but I think this is enough data to determine whether a continued role claim is a good idea. Notice that I've been consistently complaining about people who ignored the possibility of expansions. I do not know whether or not we have Conquests Civ's in the game, but I wouldn't be surprised if we did.

[Vesuvan]

[quote=Mr Flay]does that mean everyone's PMs are worded the same? I doubt it... [/quote]

O... kay...

The townie role PM's are structured in such a way that suggests that, except for the "flavor text" bit being different, all townie role PM's are very similar.

I think you just slipped up, Flay. Either you're scum, or you have a non-standard townie role PM, or I'm reading too much into one sentence in the townie role PM that I would assume is in the other townie role PM's which suggests a standardised structure.

Unvote, Vote: Mr Flay

[armlx]

I also noticed a much earlier minor slip up that I mentally excused by Flay. I can't remember where a month later, but

Unvote

Vote Mr. Flay

[Astronaut]

The presumption has been that a civilization is innocent; a barbarian guilty. I’m not willing to be certain it’s that cut-and-dried. (For one thing, again, if it is, then we may as well massclaim right now.)

That does it for me. Major slip-up or seriously bad play.

vote: EmpTyger

[Puzzle]

The presumption has been that a civilization is innocent; a barbarian guilty. I’m not willing to be certain it’s that cut-and-dried. (For one thing, again, if it is, then we may as well massclaim right now.)

That does it for me. Major slip-up or seriously bad play.

vote: EmpTyger

Mod said Barbarians = evil guys. Please explain your case.

[d8P]

Easy. He *is* a barbarian but doesn't want to be lynched. C'mon people that's one too many. Let's not give out any more info, hm?

Why the unvote, Vesuvan?

[Mr. Flay]

Well, claim time, I guess, although I would have liked more inputs and positioning from Lurker & Co.

I am Hammurabi - Babylonians.
I started with units everyone have available + the Bowman (Unique Unit, as I understand, 2/1/1) already available. However, I built a horseman 0/0/2 for the reasons I already explained.

There is a bit of flavour at the beginning of my PM, which I can detail if necessary.

Is it ?

It looks like I'm going to be lynched because what Puzle & Vesuvan are saying is too obvious, in my eyes. Puzzle's claim doesn't contain the exact wording as my PM, so therefore I didn't assume they all would be worded the same. Maybe the fact that I don't have my UU yet is the difference here, Vesuvan?

Meanwhile, I don't understand why d8P doesn't want us to lynch someone if they're a barbarian. And one too many WHAT?

Unvote: Bamboomancer, Vote: EmpTyger

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[VisMaior]

Meanwhile, I don't understand why d8P doesn't want us to lynch someone if they're a barbarian. And one too many WHAT? Unvote: Bamboomancer, Vote: EmpTyger.

What are you talkin about? d8P already votes EMPTyger...

[d8P]

I meant that Emp's made one too many slip ups. I think Emp *should* be lynched.

[Astronaut]

The presumption has been that a civilization is innocent; a barbarian guilty. I’m not willing to be certain it’s that cut-and-dried. (For one thing, again, if it is, then we may as well massclaim right now.)

That does it for me. Major slip-up or seriously bad play.

vote: EmpTyger

Mod said Barbarians = evil guys. Please explain your case.

You just explained my case for me. The rules (and my role PM) state that Babarians = scum. Emptyger in his post #345 doesn't seem so sure about this. You could also check out the EmpTyger quote in inHim's post #344.

[Puzzle]

The presumption has been that a civilization is innocent; a barbarian guilty. I’m not willing to be certain it’s that cut-and-dried. (For one thing, again, if it is, then we may as well massclaim right now.)

That does it for me. Major slip-up or seriously bad play.

vote: EmpTyger

Mod said Barbarians = evil guys. Please explain your case.

You just explained my case for me. The rules (and my role PM) state that Babarians = scum. Emptyger in his post #345 doesn't seem so sure about this. You could also check out the EmpTyger quote in inHim's post #344.

That's all I was looking for. Thanks.

[Puzzle]

"Preview" != "Submit"...

Unvote Thok, vote Emptyger

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[armlx]

Screw it. I'm just gonna try to get this over with.

Vote EmpTyger

This als has to do with me finding the Flay mistake then realizing it wasn't a mistake after all. Durf....

[armlx]

Forgetting something?

Unvote Mr Flay
Vote EmpTyger