NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[Flameaxe]

PS: I'm activity checking tonight. At that point I'll decide on a deadline. If there is anyone specific you think could use a prod, speak now.

[Robbnva]

I'm voting for wraith cause I have not seen any reason not to. I voted cause I thought his actions and words were scummy and have not seen any proof that he isn't scum or a convincing argument from anyone

I'm not pushing a wagon cause I'm not telling people or strong arming people to vote wraith

[Robbnva]

PS: I'm activity checking tonight. At that point I'll decide on a deadline. If there is anyone specific you think could use a prod, speak now.

Can you prod nham, I'd like to ask him a few questions

(for the dim witted that was a joke)

[Flameaxe]

Nhammen prodded.

(For the dim witted, this wasn't a joke. Or was it?)

[singersigner]

I'm not pushing a wagon cause I'm not telling people or strong arming people to vote wraith

Why not? If you're really town aligned, and believe you have legitimately found scum, it would be nice if you brought that to our attention other than just saying "vote, Wraith, he sucks, so nyeah."

I think all of this is scummy but I am going to sleep on it, I may be changing my vote in the morning.

I don't like how people broadcast that they may or may nor be as confident in their vote as they want us to think they are. Vote when you feel necessary, stick with it, and stop giving us this bullshit crap about how you "may or may not" feel the same way in the future. No shit, Shirlock. We all "may or may not" change our votes depending on reactions, future scummy/town behavior, etc. Oy vey...

PS: I'm activity checking tonight. At that point I'll decide on a deadline. If there is anyone specific you think could use a prod, speak now.

Can you prod nham, I'd like to ask him a few questions

(for the dim witted that was a joke)

For future reference, if you don't have anything productive to say, don't say it. I don't think that just because you only have one vote on you, it means you're in the clear, therefore giving you leeway to post fluff.

[Robbnva]

Posting fluff
posting fluff



I don't need mommy telling me how to play or what I should or should not post.

[Kise]

Been working like mad, will check in later.

Ditto.

[Mysterio]

We really need a deadline. This game has become stagnant.

[Robbnva]

And singer during the day I'm limited to my iPhone so I can't post very much. Plus that was a perfect time for a joke

[Benmage]

We really need a deadline. This game has become stagnant.

You mean because the lead wagon keeps getting derailed, by the lead promoter.

[Flameaxe]

We really need a deadline. This game has become stagnant.

I do agree with you.

[Shanba]

dana: I seem to recall that you are already workign on the assumption that Wraith is scum. Does that mean that you think Xite is bussing?

[Shanba]

Also, are you people all so stuck in your mindsets, so tunneled on your one or two top suspects,t hat you're not even prepared to listen to alternative cases? I remember a similar reaction when I first made my case on hiphop yesterday and evryone totally ignored it until I jumped up and down and demanded response, and now I'm getting the same thing with my prozac case. Even if you disagree, that kind of info is better than ignoring it totally.

[Wraith]

Dana, if you're really the cop, investigate me tonight. Now that people are actually realizing that my wagon is bogus, and that I'm being given a chance to post freely without everyone jumping on me for being scum, I might just be able to live today.

[Wraith]

Mysterio

(First half is copy-paste because I'm lazy)

In his third post, Mysterio makes a terrible, seemingly random vote against JDodge for scumhunting.

In his fifth, he puts a vote on the growing dana wagon for "failing to prove Furc is scum." This is just him grabbing at a reason to slip onto the wagon. Someone "failing to make a case against someone" is not worth a vote alone. He also claims that dana's reply was worthless, even though the reply referred him to dana's reasons for voting Furc.

He goes on to make several posts defending his flimsy reason for wagoning.

In his Post 11 he votes Frank for tunneling the claimed cop. Let's keep in mind that CA also stated Frank was scummy for tunneling the claimed cop (and later claimed that such insistence was a towntell) but didn't vote for him. Scum trying to keep their options open.

His later posts on Day 1 are him defending Prozac, who is another player that has been jumping around bandwagons all game.

In his Post 17, first one for Day 2, he immeidately jumps on the closest, most popular wagon, me, for "anti-town actions" that he fails to explain. Let's go back a day and remember that he originally voted dana for "failing to explain" his own reasons for suspecting Furcolow. Contradictions, opportunistic voting. Similar arguments to CA, defending Prozac. In his latest post he states how he suspected me in Post 444, but in that post he fails to state why he finds me suspicious. He has never stated why he finds me suspicious and is wagoning based on the cases of his scumbuddies.

In his Post 19, he continues to push my lynch even after I was "daykilled" by Xite. At that point most people (including myself) believed the daykill was genuine. Evidence of Mysterio tunneling the easy target without even considering any other options. Here's a meta-insert from me: Most scum I've seen, especially SSPs, typically tunnel one target at a time, only switching off when the wagon on the target is falling apart or an easier target appears. I've found it rather rare to have scum that do their fake scumhunting on multiple targets, probably because that can get rather risky when you have to fabricate evidence.

I'm starting to wonder why he believes there is "NO" chance of a flinter lynch. He uses wicked's vote on flinter against him as a "throw-away vote." To me, this is scum fabricating flimsy evidence against an obviously townie player.

In his post 25 he suggests that scum derailed my wagon. This is highly unlikely. For one, the wagon is weaker, but it's still strong enough to still carry the day. Secondly, if I was scum, it would be incredibly stupid for my supposed scumbuddies to bail me out at that point. A bus on me would have made the votecount analysis cloudy, because a poor vote reason among many is good cover. In fact, I would have subtly encouraged a bus on me via my own posting of gallons of WIFOM in an attempt to lay down a smokescreen for my scumbuddies to slip on. I attempted this is Mini 1026 but unfortunately one of my teammates didn't catch on and the wagon derailed onto our DSP which was disastrous.

In Posts 26 and 27 he pushes the idea of a Wraith/Flinter scumteam. These are the opening moves of setting up the next mislynch. He is confident that I am scum. What I can't understand, though, is that he knows I'm town, so when I flip town, wouldn't that put a big wrench in your plans. Here's a thought: Mysterio knows he's a dead man. If I'm lynched, I flip town and he dies Day 3. He's trying for one final effort to push my wagon over the edge, taking at least one town down with him. Let's also consider that only 5 or so (of his) posts ago, he was strongly convinced of flinter's towniness. There is the possibility that this is scum trying to distance himself from a partner before being lynched.

Also in Post 27, while he entertains the possibility that flinter is scum, he refuses to vote for her. Fencesitting much? And then he goes on to state that I am a scummy distraction and shouldn't be in LyLo even if I was town. Wanting to lynch someone who could possibly be town = scummy.

Like I've said, I'm probably 90% certain that Mysterio is scum. I believe my vote is still on CA, so:

Unvote Vote: Mysterio

[Wraith]

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Robbnva

In his Post 2, he immediately begins attacking me (who at that point was one of the top three scum suspects) by discrediting my case against hiphop with craplogic:

but yeah he needs to be kept an eye on but not sure he is scum, you have to remember scum wants to be under the radar as much as possible, and this isn't flying under the radar imo

He was until I called him out on it. He's attempting to discredit my case by stating hiphop isn't flying under the radar, because I'm catching him in the act.

as much as I hate to admit it, i don't think furccolow is mafia either, but again my radar could be wrong.

This is his Post 4. Remember this for later.

Big scumtell, Post 14:

my vote is on frank right now, he is by far the safest vote after outing a PR, since he is only a townie with no powers.

While I understand his reasons, they are crap reasons. Outing PRs Day 1 might seem bad, but it:

1. Puts more confirmed townies up, and therefore trusted votes/cases
2. Narrows down the base for "possible scum"

The scum can only kill one at a time, and by then you'll be able to smoke out the scum from a smaller base. It's why people hate early massclaims and don't massclaim until it seems necessary, because it pretty much breaks the game.

This line in Post 19 just rubs me the wrong way:

frank has even been scummy.

This might be nitpicking word choice, but to me it comes off as a "secondary reason" for lynching Frank, as if he's trying to say either "We need to lynch this guy NOW. Oh also he's scum" or "Frank's even scummy, it's the icing on the cake for this lynch"

Big scumtell, Post 28:

I think the first people we need to look at are the people who avoided the frank bandwagon, in my mind it is those people who have a better chance of being mafia.

This SCREAMS to me scum trying to shift suspicion away from his scumbuddies. I bet you my life (in this game) that at least 2 scum were on the Frank wagon. You're using WIFOM as well, because the overwhelming majority of scum players get on almost every town mislynch wagon. Without scum on a mislynch it's extremely hard to pull off because actual townies are as willingly gullible.

Robb first votes for me in Post 38. His sole reasoning for this is "I don't like his reaction to his wagon." Keep this in mind.

Post 41, craplogic:

Mafia wants to do multiple things.

1. Avoid suspicion at all costs
2. Stay active in scum hunting to blend in
3. Not be anywhere near a quick lynch

Points 2 and 3 contradict Point 1. As scum, you either take the lead or you lie low. I've pointed this out with my DSP/SSP scum psychology theory.

In Post 43, he starts discrediting what little town cred I had left, and also lies:

I will say going back reading wraith's posts, the one post that really seemed odd was wraith telling the doc(whoever that is) to protect dana

1. I don't think ANYONE actually beleived DP
2. Seemed like a way to ensure the doc was on dana, since DP died it allowed a mafia kill to go through

1. You did
2. This is massive WIFOM, for one. Second, I urged the doc to protect the claim I believed, not the one I didn't, which is not scummy, in fact the opposite. Thirdly, I would not have shot DP night 2. A lying townie is a PERFECT target for a mislynch wagon, especially when DP would have come up with nothing and probably been lynched today. I would have shot Xite or Wickedest and roleblocked Dana, because Xite and Wickedest are the two most-townie reads I had at that point.

way to talk without actually saying anything.

I make a valid reason why I suspect wraith and than you fos me, sounds like a load of crap to me

This is retroactive casemaking, which is a MAJOR, MAJOR scumtell to me. Retroactive casemaking is when scum vote for a target for poor reasons (in your case "Wraith is scum because he reacts poorly to his wagon), then discrediting that person's future actions, and finally claiming that those discredited actions were the "valid reasons" you voted for that person in the first place. Scum do not have to do that, town cite specific examples in their scumhunting.

Post 48:

ok going back and reading ConfidAnon's posts, about 80% of them are focused on pushing a lynch on wraith or trying to bring attention towards wraith being scum. he doesn't really focus on anyone else after his obvious bandwagon vote on dana, he doesn't vote frank cause he doesn't think he is scummy, even after he notices frank changing his claim of what he is.

Accusing CA of tunneling despite doing the exact same thing. CA, however, has actual evidence and scumhunting to back up his claims, however misguided they are. Setting up a possible future mislynch wagon.

Post 49:

2. you will be wasting your time making a case on me, unless you really are scum.

Apparently anyone who investigates Robb is scum.

That's what I got from two pages of Robb's ISO. I'm not even done yet. But right now I'm tired, especially since I had to do this damn thing twice, so I'll finish later.

[danakillsu]

dana: I seem to recall that you are already workign on the assumption that Wraith is scum. Does that mean that you think Xite is bussing?

WAS
Xite was bussing Wraith, imo. He's (she's?) not voting him anymore. It's not 100%, but it's more likely not, and as likely as anything can be at this point.

[Robbnva]

dana: I seem to recall that you are already workign on the assumption that Wraith is scum. Does that mean that you think Xite is bussing?

WAS
Xite was bussing Wraith, imo. He's (she's?) not voting him anymore. It's not 100%, but it's more likely not, and as likely as anything can be at this point.

at first I wasn't so sure but I keep reading back and it sure looks that way.

[UltimaAvalon]

"This is scummy because I was called scummy for agreeing with it" is rather odd though. Do you still agree with it? Do

you

think this post is scummy in spite of other calling you out for agreeing with it?

I still want this question answerd Robb

[Robbnva]

"This is scummy because I was called scummy for agreeing with it" is rather odd though. Do you still agree with it? Do

you

think this post is scummy in spite of other calling you out for agreeing with it?

I still want this question answerd Robb

I don't understand your question, what exactly are you referring to

[UltimaAvalon]

#8 - 2nd part I sort of agree with his point, but everyone thinks I am scummy for it so that makes him equally scummy

[Gorrad]

Dana, if you're really the cop, investigate me tonight. Now that people are actually realizing that my wagon is bogus, and that I'm being given a chance to post freely without everyone jumping on me for being scum, I might just be able to live today.

Ghkt! This has to be what it's like for someone with sense in the DC universe. "Dude! Superman is Clark Kent! Can't you tell? I mean, he just puts on glasses!" People who aren't voting wraith, read these posts he makes!

[Robbnva]

#8 - 2nd part I sort of agree with his point, but everyone thinks I am scummy for it so that makes him equally scummy

He says he just wants to lynch somebody and get it over with. most people think it is scummy thing to do on Day 1, when in reality it isn't very scummy to do.

[Robbnva]

Dana, if you're really the cop, investigate me tonight. Now that people are actually realizing that my wagon is bogus, and that I'm being given a chance to post freely without everyone jumping on me for being scum, I might just be able to live today.

so you must be the Godfather if you are asking the cop to investigate you

[Wraith]

Wow, amazing. My two WoTs were COMPLETELY ignored. Especially by my primary suspects and wagoneers.

@dana: If Xite was my scumpartner and bussing me then laying off all of a sudden was the stupidest decision, ever. My bus was in the bag, Xite's major town cred was assured...Oh wait. I'm town, Xite's town, and you're being an idiot. Open your eyes, read my damn WoTs, and tell me what you think.