Open 245 - Mini Love - Scum win!

[Tasky]

/confirm

[Tasky]

VOTE: Tasky
Your avatar creeps me out.

VOTE: WingsOWisdom
for obvious reasons

[Tasky]

ZeroFang (2): quadz08, drmyshottyizsik
drmyshottyizsik (2): andrew94, Battousai
andrew94 (2): Zed, Tasky
Tasky (1): WingsOWisdom
Zed (1): ZeroFang
Mokujin_ (1): GarethByrd
Battousai (1): don_johnson
Tvellalott (1) : Mokujin_

Not voting (1): tvellalott

12 alive, 7 to lynch

Well...yes.

Quad's Q's only sparked discussion of his Q's usefulness. All in all, RQS only has any usefulness because there isn't a consensus on its validity. The questions themselves are irrelevant. And in the end, Day 1 will slump because of the RQS. RVS creates more content.

u said your vote was serious. now your saying ur vote is an rvs?

VOTE: andrew94
for misrepresentation

[Tasky]

Well...yes.

Quad's Q's only sparked discussion of his Q's usefulness. All in all, RQS only has any usefulness because there isn't a consensus on its validity. The questions themselves are irrelevant. And in the end, Day 1 will slump because of the RQS. RVS creates more content.

u said your vote was serious. now your saying ur vote is an rvs?

VOTE: andrew94
for misrepresentation

you are an active lurking retard that attempts to pick up on seemingly easy targets like me, if u actually LEARN SOME ENGLISH, you would see that above that statement mokujin voted quaz, and said that was a serious vote. therefore i was pointing out the irregulaties of that statement. you are a fail reader and have only contributed 3 posts and 1 is confirm, 1 is omgus and 1 is just randomly pointing at me. now, start reading more

wow...

[Tasky]

FoS: tvellalott

for not having placed a single vote.
VOTE OR DIE!

[Tasky]

FoS: tvellalott

for not having placed a single vote.
VOTE OR DIE!

VOTE: Tasky for having a creepy head.

ok, how about a serious vote now?

[Tasky]

But there's only been about 100 posts! How can anyone ever vote seriously at this point?

he can express an opinion. he doesn't have to know who is scum. but he has to see someone who is a little more scummy than the rest. he doesn't have to be sure. a gut vote will do in this stage of the game.
if we go into the game with the attitude that there can be no serious vote now, this game is gonna end badly, we are never going to catch scum.
btw: your statement is quite contradictory:

No. Vote is serious. You hurt Day 1.

FoS:Mokujin_

[Tasky]

you started it rofl

what are you talking about?

[Tasky]

the FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC possibilities
1) andrew94 is the doctor, no one counter-claims. He dies tonight.
2) andrew94 isn't the doctor, the real doctor counter-claims. We lynch andrew94. The real doctor dies tonight.
3) andrew94 isn't the doctor, the real doctor doesn't counter-claim. We don't lynch andrew94. He doesn't die tonight. We lynch him tomorrow.
4) andrew94 is the doctor, no one counter-claims. He doesn't die tonight. We lynch him tomorrow.
And so on.

Best case scenario: andrew94 isn't the real doctor, the real doctor DOESN'T counter claim.
Worst case scenario: andrew94 is the real doctor, we don't lynch him and lynch another townie instead, mafia don't kill him and we lynch him tomorrow.

For more information, see this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK2tWVj6lXw

you are scum. period.
UNVOTE: VOTE: tvellalott

[Tasky]

well tasky picked up on my case

what's my price?

[Tasky]

the FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC possibilities
1) andrew94 is the doctor, no one counter-claims. He dies tonight.
2) andrew94 isn't the doctor, the real doctor counter-claims. We lynch andrew94. The real doctor dies tonight.
3) andrew94 isn't the doctor, the real doctor doesn't counter-claim. We don't lynch andrew94. He doesn't die tonight. We lynch him tomorrow.
4) andrew94 is the doctor, no one counter-claims. He doesn't die tonight. We lynch him tomorrow.
And so on.

Best case scenario: andrew94 isn't the real doctor, the real doctor DOESN'T counter claim.
Worst case scenario: andrew94 is the real doctor, we don't lynch him and lynch another townie instead, mafia don't kill him and we lynch him tomorrow.

For more information, see this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK2tWVj6lXw

you are scum. period.
UNVOTE: VOTE: tvellalott

you are wrong. period.

this kind of speculation is extremely useless. you just want others to think you are doing something, you aren't. the last time I saw this kind of NK-WIFOM speculations they always came from scum-side.
I think it's obvious the real doctor should counterclaim if he is out there. catching one scum is worth giving up the doc during the night.

[Tasky]

well i pointed tvell out but as usual, u guys ignored me

do you want a cookie for it?

[Tasky]

this game needs more tvellalot votes

[Tasky]

I've been thinking about this for awhile, and while I don't agree with it, it seems to be agreed upon by everyone else that is the best thing to do.

cc doctor.

you serious? no taking this back later, you know?

I think we should neither lynch Zed nor andrew at this point.
if we leave them both alive this night, scum won't be able to kill our doc (since they would expose the fakeclaimer), and the real doc would have one less possible target this night which increases the chances of a successful protect.
I think we should go and look for the other scumbags that are around.
if we kill one of them however there are two scenarios:
1. we lynch scum and lose the doc in the night => this is still favorable, but it doesn't make the most out of the situation, since we lose our protection starting from day 1
2. we lynch the doc, N1 someone get's killed and we lynch scum D2. => this is bad, as we lose a protection for the rest of the game have to waste another lynch on the scum. two lynches on doc+scum isn't good for town.

therefore we want to force scum to kill the real doc sooner or later.

andrew: you sure you are claiming cop, last time I'll ask: if you are town, take back your claim. it's the worst thing a townie could do. (well, technically it's already to late, but late is better than never)

only exception: if andrew or zed should be someones lover, the lover should claim that, since doctor isn't a lover.

[Tasky]

Personally, I'm pretty sure that the CCer is Town. I mean, CCing just isn't a good move for scum here on Day 1. Scum doesn't do 1 for 1 trades.

not necessarily.
claiming doc out of nowhere isn't a good move either
and besides there is still the WIFOM possibility that Zed knows we suspect andrew more than him and tried to pull of the gambit.

[Tasky]

I'm inclined to believe the CC. Andrew has been really scummy, and the scum usually won't risk a 1-1 ration of scum to PRs. Due to there being a claim and a counterclaim, it's very likely that one is scum and one is a doctor. Either way, they both die, the scum are short a member, and we're short a doctor. It's not the best tradeoff but it's already happened, so we might as well make the most of it.

VOTE: andrew94

Leaving the scum to choose is a bad idea. You should never leave scum with decisions. It allows them to choose what will work best with their current plans. The death of both is inevitable and we don't need to eat WIFOM cake in the event that neither of them die. It's much safer and better for the town to lynch the counter-claimed doctor.

I don't agree. if neither of them dies, we have the advantage of one night protection today. all things being equal, it's better to have a chance of preventing a NK, isn't it?

[Tasky]

andrew, so you stay with your doc claim?
why aren't you voting for Zed then?
I mean. if you are the real doc, you would know he is scum, right?

[Tasky]

sorry

[Tasky]

I want andrew's replacement to do talk before we lynch.

[Tasky]

oh, right...
back to:
VOTE: tvellalot

[Tasky]

oh, right...
back to:
VOTE: tvellalot

Here I was thinking we could be friends today.
Come on Tasky, this tunnel is ridiculous.

well... we need to start somewhere, don't we?

[Tasky]

hmmm... I really can't get a good read on this game.

for now I'll follow ZeroFang's case:
UNVOTE: VOTE: quadz

[Tasky]

oh, and a question:
Zero, what do you mean by:
"I would guess town on statistics alone, which of course means absolutely nothing"

[Tasky]

hmmm... I really can't get a good read on this game.

for now I'll follow ZeroFang's case:
UNVOTE: VOTE: quadz

so if i vote for some one and it gets more votes than this wagon will you switch again?

probably.

[Tasky]

hmmm... I really can't get a good read on this game.

for now I'll follow ZeroFang's case:
UNVOTE: VOTE: quadz

so if i vote for some one and it gets more votes than this wagon will you switch again?

probably.

???????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!

[Tasky]

yaawn. this game is boring...

[Tasky]

yaawn. this game is boring...

Why not do something about it?

laziness.

[Tasky]

so if i vote for some one and it gets more votes than this wagon will you switch again?

probably.

???????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!

either you are dumb or you just admitted to being oppertunistic scum

yeeeeee. quote pyramid for the win.
I am not scum. I am not dumb. I am just lazy and nothing is happening in this game.
WHY DID I JUST ADMIT BEING OPPORTUNISTIC SCUM?

ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S THIS GUY BEING OPPORTUNISTIC SCUM HERE:

I'm with shotty on this one. VOTE: Tasky

Are you serious? You're just gonna switch to whoever's got the largest wagon? Super-town play, there.

yeah. I wanna build wagons. that's cool.
and it does catch scum. maybe.

as soon as I get motivated again, I'll do something serious. for now I don't feel like it.
BUT, my vote on you sit's just fine for now

[Tasky]

hmmm... WAAAAAIT... we are NOT quicklynching.
I have to think this over.

I am terribly furious at andrew for how he screwed us over with that stupid doc-claim.

[Tasky]

@tasky- you are playing dumb like that I promise. I will keep my vote for a bit, but

huh? do you mean "if you play dumb like that I promise I will keep my vote for a bit"?
Do you think I am playing dumb? Is [playing dumb] = [scummy]?

hmmm... WAAAAAIT... we are NOT quicklynching.
I have to think this over.

I am terribly furious at andrew for how he screwed us over with that stupid doc-claim.

Hey, scumbag. Already regretting that bus?

lol.

By my count, quadz08 is only at L-2. Why the panic, Tasky? Were you not complaining earlier that this game was boring?

To the few of you who were complaining about how andrew94 screwed up this game: He did not totally ruin it. His fake claim was poor play, but he managed to give me a few strong town reads out of that ordeal. If you are not getting a grip on things, I suggest rereading Day 1.

No panic, I just don't want to quicklynch. There is still so much to be said.
Game's getting interesting, that's a good thing.
Well, how do you call a play which causes a mislynch and a killed doc? For me it's just terrible. Would you mind share that few strong town reads with us?

hm. if we're correct, we've netted ourselves a pair of masons to counteract andrew's poisonous play.

explain please. I don't understand what you mean.

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I don't like Tasky's whole attitude, and he doesn't really seem that fussed about things.

what exactly don't you like? Is [you not liking it] = [scummy]?

Tvell was ridiculously suspicious in the last day, and quadz is just not very good.

what's so ridiculously suspicious about Tvell? is [just not very good] scummier than [ridiculously suspicious]?
would you hammer tvell if he were at L-1?

I will respect Tasky's request not to quicklynch yet, but this is me declaring an intention to vote quadz at some point soon.

why do you respect it? Do you think quadz is scum, yes or no? If yes, why aren't you hammering?

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post 353. If someone can tell me what I am about to say about that post, he wins a cookie.

[Tasky]

Happy birthday, andrew94!

No panic, I just don't want to quicklynch. There is still so much to be said.

What is there to say? We cannot draw associative tells until quadz08 and I flip. I will share my reads in twilight; there is a couple of things I am waiting on for the moment.

why aren't you telling them now?
if you wait for twilight, you risk being cut short by the mod starting night.
if you are waiting for something for the moment, doesn't that mean that you too don't want a quicklynch?

PS: I think scum has a winning strategy at this point even if quadz flips scum. so we might as well give up.

[Tasky]

PS: I think scum has a winning strategy at this point even if quadz flips scum. so we might as well give up.

Out with it. Right here. Right now. Not in your scum QuickTopic.

lol. no. I'm not telling scum how to win.

[Tasky]

PS: I think scum has a winning strategy at this point even if quadz flips scum. so we might as well give up.

Out with it. Right here. Right now. Not in your scum QuickTopic.

lol. no. I'm not telling scum how to win.

What, is it a strategy that town cannot break?

If I haven't missed anything, the strategy can't be broken. But I'll recheck everything as soon as I have some time.

[Tasky]

there is no breaking strategy. That was supposed to be a scum-trap which I learned from a great player.
it was unlucky, Wisteria was the last person I'd have wanted to answer on it. you couldn't know of course, I would have done the same thing as you, but you neutralized my play.
I'm sorry if I created confusion.

[Tasky]

Tasky, please respond to my question.

you mean this?
if that's it, well I was serious about wagoning until something happens. something has happened today. today we lynch you, then tomorrow I will bandwagon again until scum slips up again.

[Tasky]

you mean this?
if that's it, well I was serious about wagoning until something happens. something has happened today. today we lynch you, then tomorrow I will bandwagon again until scum slips up again.

Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Do you plan on continuing that strategy the whole game? Simply mindlessly hopping on wagons? Because that's anti-town, at the very best. I like my vote where it is.

lol. you are so scum.
I never said I would

mindlessly

hop on wagons.
aren't you going for the "anti-townish" lynch here instead of looking for real scum?

[Tasky]

No, you did. You said you would probably hop on the largest current wagon. That says "mindless" to me.

And no, I'm not. I said "anti-town at best." Very different than just plain anti-town.

hopping on the largest wagon is NOT "mindless" if it's done for a good reason. trust me, it DOES catch scum.
also, "anti-town at best" is also very different from scummy.

[Tasky]

hopping on the largest wagon is NOT "mindless" if it's done for a good reason.

You basically just said mindless wagon hopping isn't mindless if it's not mindless wagon hopping.

yeah. lol.

there is no breaking strategy. That was supposed to be a scum-trap which I learned from a great player.

Link, now, as well as an explanation why you did not paste this link as evidence as soon as you brought this up.

Real Life.

Additionally:

if the other lover pair is okay not being revealed, lynching outside of quadz/wisteria runs the risk of exposing them. exposing means town loses potential masons for tomorrow. ugh.

This is bothering me. This is the second time you have referred to quadz08 and I as a "mason pair." Why do you sound so certain of our innocence?

if we lynch you and you flip scum, the other lover pair will become masons.

[Tasky]

*facepalm*

Dammit, man. You couldn't even let any damn discussion go on about my perfectly valid, good idea? Ugh.

I still say look at Tasky; I'll try to get a re-read/brief ISOs before night falls, but I can't guarantee anything.

so you are town?

[Tasky]

lovers claim. NOW. we lynch the Treacherous Lover.

[Tasky]

noooo wait. I just thought this over.

if we lynch the Treacherous Lover we lose:
7=3(VT),2(scum),1-1(loverpair)
day lynch lovers -> 3,2
nightkill -> 2,2 LOSE

we have to go for the goons:
7=3(VT),2(scum),1-1(loverpair)
day lynch goon -> 3,1,1-1
nightkill:
if lovers -> 3,1 standard endgame setup
if townie -> 2,1,1-1
day lynch goon -> 2,1-1
nightkill:
if lovers -> 2,0 WIN
if townie -> 1,1-1
lynch lovers -> 1,0 WIN

but lover should still out themselves, since scum already know them and there is no reason to risk lynching them at this point.

[Tasky]

Claiming = bad. R u afraid to name suspects? Much more info comes from letting scum play without a claim...

u don't get it, do you? SCUM ALREADY KNOWS THE LOVER PAIR.

Also, should we vote on whether the lovers claim or not?

no. lovers claim. period.

there is NO REASON to withhold that information as scum already has it.

A claim is in order...but is it necessary RIGHT NOW? So long as we don't rush headlong into things, a little posturing can go a long way.

what reason would you possibly have to delay the claim?

That was an odd opening of the day Tasky...Logic machine runnin' overtime there fella?

is odd=scummy? if yes, why? if no, why bother stating it?
I was thinking about this game at night, yes. so what?

Scum knew Andrew wasn't scum, so by pushing for a CC, they knew for sure who the real doctor was and that they could get a mislynch in the bargain.

no. wait. it is reasonable to assume scum believed andrew's claim until the CC, since they knew he wasn't one of them and it is such a totally stupid move for a townie to claim doc.

ANYWAY. I think that's one of the best places to dig for scum.

why aren't you digging, then?

[Tasky]

No no no no no.

I wasn't expecting this, but I wasn't claiming because I wanted to set where "suspicions" were going...

Nexus is scum. Sevei has to be goon.

vote: Sevei

Nex had a good showing(though brief) in the qt two nights ago. This is fucked up.

am I getting this right?
are you claiming to be Nexus' lover?

Nexus, claim NOW, who is your lover?

[Tasky]

actually we should be happy about the situation.
if scum hadn't claimed lover, we would have 3 townies and 2 goons left to look at, that's a hitting chance of 2/5=40%. Because of the lover claim, we KNOW one of Sevei and don_johnson is goon, and that's a hitting percentage of 50%.
scum just increased our odds of winning.

still, we should be careful.
so here are some rules to follow:
1. DO NOT VOTE, put FoS's if you want, but voting just gives scum the opportunity to quickhammer.
2. DO NOT LISTEN to anything Nexus is saying. He is confirmed scum and trying to analyze his words is just pointless WIFOM. just pretend it wasn't there.

I have to reread a bit.

[Tasky]

Vote sevie

He is our goon, I am sure of it now.
Nexus would not tell the truth.

UNVOTE

NOW

we are not giving scum chance to quickhammer!

and IGNORE NEXUS' POSTS. this is just WIFOM.
if you have some other reason for voting sevie, fine, say so and FoS him. but if you are voting him just because Nexus' statement, you should stop.

[Tasky]

good game, scum.

whoever that townie was, Consigliere or drmyshottyizsik who voted without thinking in LyLo, you shall feel deeply sorry and stupid now.
andrew, who you ruined us, you shall feel even more stupid and sorry, I probably won't join any game with you in the future